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Giving way to ACTION buses

By busdriver 31 July 2010 53

In the ACT if a bus have a give way sign on the back of it then you must give way to that bus when the right hand intercator is flashing!

I know that some bus drivers abuse it but you have to remember that as a bus driver you are resposible to get people to there places on time all the time. If 1 car or truck driver fails to giveway to us then that is 30 seconds late then if 2 cars fail to giveway then thats 1 minute.

Today I was pulling out of a bus stop and 30 cars failed to giveway and I was then late but lucky the runs that I do are easy to catch up.

So please giveway to buses when pulling out of a bus stop.

It only takes less than 1 second and it helps us a great deal.

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creative_canberran 8:06 pm 12 Dec 11

It’s absolutely horrible how often I see this happen and how blatantly drivers fail to give way. I was on Athlon Dr the other day behind about 10 cars, all of whom passed and even sped up to get past the bus that had long had it’s indicator on. I was the one to stop.

I do have to note as others have though that some bus drivers also need to take greater care as pulling out as or just before their indicator is on causes a hazard.

Martlark 7:23 pm 12 Dec 11

A bus full of passengers is more important than me, so I give way whenever I have to and also whenever I see it needs to take my space. I’ve tried to tone down the almost overwhelming desire, that infects most car drivers, of the need to ‘get in front’, driving is much quieter now.

mmover 4:44 pm 28 Aug 10

ok I’m new in here but bus drivers have given me the inclination to join this site a make a statement i drive trucks in the ACT and interstate and yes in the car and truck I’m quiet happy to give way when the’re pulling of a bus stop I’m quiet aware of whats going on in front of me.
BUT in specific reference to the BUS lane on Northbourne Ave Sth Bound at the Barton Hwy intersection why do BUS drivers think that i)This is an overtaking lane once past the Barton Hwy and ii)Think that giving way to the right hand indicator still applies when their moving.
Last week it was the forth time in say 12 months that I’ve had a Bus come past me right at the end of the three lanes either forcing me to brake heavily or move into the right lane marginally nearly having an incident with either the bus or another vehicle.
Where is there consideration for other road users or the safety of their passengers thencant they see that there is no room for a vehicle that size too merge with safety or is it the miracle of a right hand indicator that will create the space required.
IT is a bus lane yes but it does not give them the right in such a short distance to try using it as an overtaking lane.
I feel so strongly about this I aim when I get time too bring it up with both ACTION and ACT policing

pete74au 5:23 pm 11 Aug 10

The bus driver is putting the lives of his passengers first. Be bloody considerate, see the bus’s blinker and back off to let the bus out. TFE too easy – lack of consideration is one of the biggets causes of crashes especially in the ACT and we are ALL guilty of it at some time.

dvaey 8:30 am 09 Aug 10

OP: If 1 car or truck driver fails to giveway to us then that is 30 seconds late then if 2 cars fail to giveway then thats 1 minute.

It only takes less than 1 second and it helps us a great deal.

Okay, so a car travelling at 80km/hr having to slow down rapidly to enable you to pull out, will only take 1 second, but the time it takes that same vehicle to pass your bus, is 30 seconds? A large bus is 15m long, this means 30sec would have vehicles travelling at approx 5km/hr past your bus. At 60km/hr, each car that travels past your bus, holds you in for under 1 second.

To put your question another way, you claim that one car delays you by 30sec, and 2 cars delay you by 1min. How long is the delay when you pull out into traffic without waiting for a space, and have an accident in your bus? Sure, youre legally in the right, as long as you only follow the laws of the ACT government, and not the laws of physics or time and space.

Traffic lights have an orange light to give you time to slow down from your travelling speed, in order to yield to traffic potentially in your way, why do buses think they demand more attention and quicker response than a set of traffic lights?

Gungahlin Al 12:10 pm 03 Aug 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

It is a busy moment watching the bus intently plus also trying to keep watch on the cars behind you to make sure they understand why you may be about to slow pretty quickly.

What’s busy about it?

“I’m scanning well ahead, and hark, I see a gigantic orange vehicle down the road. Better slow down now just in case. Oh look – as if by magic, the red lights on the back of my car have warned the drivers behind me to slow down and back off.”

Watching the bus ‘intently’ while you barrel toward it is just stupid. What’s going through your head? “Bus – 80 – car behind me – bus – 80 – car behind me – busindicatohf*ck steering wheel”?

Thereby proving the point of my post Woody. Perhaps you missed the bit about speed differential? But we should all be thankful that in Woody-world Canberra has a superior class of driver who never ever gets caught out in tail-enders…

Me no fry 1:27 pm 02 Aug 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Sigh…
How quickly we jump to the poles of any ‘discussion’ here, with the decent into insult quickly following.

Guess we’ve all been well trained by our media outlets that the world is entirely made of black and white, with nought in between.

(As an aside, reminds of the guy who said “There are two kinds of people in this world – those who think the world is divided into two types of people, and those who don’t.)

People here are so quick to bitch about the bus services not running in a timely manner, but here’s one of the reasons why – failure to observe this road rule that’s been around for some time now. And so what if BD’s maths don’t add up? Their point is well made, polite and respectful.

However (shade of grey here), I am bothered that the same rule applies for pulling out from a stop on an 80kph or over road. I confirmed with the friendly copper on ABC Radio’s law enforcement Q&A segment. His justification was that merely seeing a bus pulled up on the side should put you on alert that it may well pull out shortly and so you should be ready to toss out the anchors. And that may well be the law as it is written, but the speed differential between 0 and 80 (or more) kph makes this a flawed aspect of the law (in my opinion).

I face this situation at least once a week on the Federal Highway out front of the Kamberra Winery. Most bus drivers are sensible about it. A few are altogether too casual with other people’s wellbeing. It is a busy moment watching the bus intently plus also trying to keep watch on the cars behind you to make sure they understand why you may be about to slow pretty quickly.

Well said.

You can’t help noticing that most topics seem to descend into a polarising debate full of aggression and rude commentary. That’s fun some of the time, but not all the time. It’s like people are in a spinning drum, pushed to the wall by centrifugal force, unable and unwilling to meet in the middle and happy to hurl insults at each other in the anonymity of the internet. That too is fun some of the time – but not all the time.

Busdriver has a point, as do some of the people who observe that some bus drivers are less than perfect. I’m guessing there aren’t too many perfect drivers, bus or car, in Canberra.

Woody Mann-Caruso 1:27 pm 02 Aug 10

It is a busy moment watching the bus intently plus also trying to keep watch on the cars behind you to make sure they understand why you may be about to slow pretty quickly.

What’s busy about it?

“I’m scanning well ahead, and hark, I see a gigantic orange vehicle down the road. Better slow down now just in case. Oh look – as if by magic, the red lights on the back of my car have warned the drivers behind me to slow down and back off.”

Watching the bus ‘intently’ while you barrel toward it is just stupid. What’s going through your head? “Bus – 80 – car behind me – bus – 80 – car behind me – busindicatohf*ck steering wheel”?

Erg0 1:12 pm 02 Aug 10

Just trying to work out whether the bus drivers are the Hatfields or the McCoys in this scenario…

carnardly 12:59 pm 02 Aug 10

I rode to work today. Eastwards across the street in front of old parliament house and the tent embassy. Near the next street to the left near Dept of Finance I saw a number 3 bus oncoming and facing me. I indicated to turn left (towards DOFA and the art gallery – sorry – don’t know the name of the street). Bus suddenly turns right too and barrells across in front of me. I slammed on my anchors to not hit its left front side.

Hmmm – the road rules he learnt are obviously different to mine.

Gungahlin Al 12:32 pm 02 Aug 10

Sigh…
How quickly we jump to the poles of any ‘discussion’ here, with the decent into insult quickly following.

Guess we’ve all been well trained by our media outlets that the world is entirely made of black and white, with nought in between.

(As an aside, reminds of the guy who said “There are two kinds of people in this world – those who think the world is divided into two types of people, and those who don’t.)

People here are so quick to bitch about the bus services not running in a timely manner, but here’s one of the reasons why – failure to observe this road rule that’s been around for some time now. And so what if BD’s maths don’t add up? Their point is well made, polite and respectful.

However (shade of grey here), I am bothered that the same rule applies for pulling out from a stop on an 80kph or over road. I confirmed with the friendly copper on ABC Radio’s law enforcement Q&A segment. His justification was that merely seeing a bus pulled up on the side should put you on alert that it may well pull out shortly and so you should be ready to toss out the anchors. And that may well be the law as it is written, but the speed differential between 0 and 80 (or more) kph makes this a flawed aspect of the law (in my opinion).

I face this situation at least once a week on the Federal Highway out front of the Kamberra Winery. Most bus drivers are sensible about it. A few are altogether too casual with other people’s wellbeing. It is a busy moment watching the bus intently plus also trying to keep watch on the cars behind you to make sure they understand why you may be about to slow pretty quickly.

hellspice 12:31 pm 02 Aug 10

Clown Killer said :

It’s a bus FFS. They’re like whales. Big, slow and fairly predictable. I’f you can’t deal with the other traffic on the road, then get yourself down to the ACT Government Shopfront and hand your licemse back – you’re obviously too stupid to be on the road.

Good point, I just hope the bus drivers can take it in.

Holden Caulfield 12:19 pm 02 Aug 10

54-11 said :

busdriver, I will always give way to a bus, provided they provide timely notice of what they’re doing. Just flashing the indicator and then pulling out is not quite the way to do it.

+1

I also agree that an improved attitude and ability to anticipate are aspects of general road use that more drivers should adopt. Well, all road users, really.

I used to crack the sads at those big orange limos too. Then I grew up.

Yes, some bus drivers do the wrong thing. This doesn’t give anyone the right to act like a knob whenever they’re near a bus. Get over it!

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