GoGet, Popcar car-sharing trial for ACT

Charlotte Harper 13 July 2016 61

Car share announcement - Meegan Fitzharris

Two car-sharing companies, GoGet and Popcar, will provide Canberrans with access to small fleets of their vehicles as part of a two-year trial of the transport option.

Car sharing works by having a fleet of cars available to be booked at any time, day or night, with customers paying a fee determined by how far they drive and how long they hire the car.

Members of the program will be able to find cars near them and making bookings via mobile apps or online booking systems at www.goget.com.au or popcar.com.au.

The commitment to car sharing is part of the ACT Labor-Greens Parliamentary Agreement.

ACT Minister for Transport and Municipal Services Meegan Fitzharris said that by becoming a member of either service, Canberrans would be able to access a network of 22 cars parked in specially marked spaces around the ACT, including in Civic (ACT Magistrates Court car park and London Circuit/Constitution Avenue car park), Dickson (Challis Street), Russell and near the Treasury building in the Parliamentary Triangle.

“People can simply book for the hours they need, or for a full day,” Ms Fitzharris said.

“During the two-year trial membership to the service will be offered at an initially discounted rate, so I really encourage people to become a member and try it out.”

National Capital Authority chief executive Malcolm Snow endorsed the initiative and has contributed a number of car spaces on National Land for the short-term rental.

“The program has a number of environmental benefits for the ACT, as well as economic benefits for those who use it,” Mr Snow said.

“The car sharing program will use newer, more fuel-efficient cars, including hybrid vehicles. By encouraging sharing the same vehicle between a number of people, the program should encourage less car usage for individuals and fewer cars on the road. In turn this should mean less pollution and congestion on our roads.”


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dungfungus dungfungus 9:31 pm 25 Apr 16

Shart said :

Let’s say for a minute that this thing takes off and Civic dwellers adopt the new way of travel. Go-get finds its cars are constantly on the streets and they need more to satisfy demand. They buy more cars for the fleet and park them where? On the kerb or in street parking? In the underground private parking spaces of apartments? If the former, parking spots are taken away from anybody wanting to visit their mates in Tramville and soon there are even less parking spaces left for anybody wanting to drive to the city for shopping or business. If the latter, those cars are only accessible to tenants of the building, which wouldn’t suit the purpose of the business venture. As the fleet gets larger, they will inevitably take up parking spaces, either in the public car parks or the on street parking zones adjacent residential areas. You couldn’t say that a handful of these cars is going to be a great business plan, they have to be looking at up-scaling to make it more profitable. Always, these cars are going to be located nearest to high density housing and community centers, never in the middle of a suburban fringe-dwelling habitat.

Mordd said :

It’s true that the service only really works if you live in the city near a pod. If you live out in the suburbs it’s not really practical. But so what? A service doesn’t have to please everyone to be useful and viable.

So if it helps the city dwellers it’s a great idea, screw the rest of Canberra! Just like the tram…

dungfungus said :

If several people avail themselves of the car a day, that is several cars not on the road or not occupying parking spaces.

It would make little difference if thousands of people sold their cars tomorrow, because the ones who use this new service would be the ones who already use public transport to get to work and back. The parking spaces freed up would be their own spot in the basement of a building, not the one in London Circuit, because they can get there by bus already. The ones who fill up the car parks, the ones who cause the congestion, are not the city dwellers but the people from Woden, Belconnen Gungahlin and Tuggeranong. Go-get will not change these people’s travel habits, but will take up more parking in their destination. The more Go-get and Pop-cars in Civic, sitting idle whilst they wait for an occasional user to walk by, the more parking spaces taken up. Then when they are hired, the space remains vacant but not available to anybody else except the renter of the vehicle. At least when a suburbanite goes home, the parking space can be used by anybody else.

rubaiyat said :

I don’t know whether to call this a big fat maths fail or something else.
If I decide to not buy a car, that frees up a parking space.
One Popcar serves the needs of multiple people who have done away with a car of their own.
For every 1 extra Popcar you see, that is 1xX extra parking spaces that have been freed up, where X represents the number of cars that are given up per Popcar that is in circulation.

As I just explained, one Pop-car takes up it’s designated space in public parking whether it is there or not, plus occupies the space where it is taken to. A private car space remains unavailable at the owner’s premises whether they have a car or not. This is why these Go-get services will inevitably take up more public parking spaces whilst the number of private car parks remains the same. As demand increases, more public parking is going to be surrendered to the new hire car companies. It helps the people in Civic, but makes things worse for those coming from the suburbs.
You not deciding to buy a car means you probably have easy access to public transport. That also means you probably don’t drive to work already, so the choice to not own a car does nothing for public parking, nor does it free up a spot for anybody else. The Go-get car you will choose to use occasionally will occupy a spot where there used to be visitor parking. It doesn’t free up anything but actually uses more of the presently available parking spots.
If you don’t believe me, look at the map available on Go-get’s website and see where their cars are parked. They are in public car parks, taking up space that you or I could be using for our trip into Canberra’s central district.

But they are the edgy thing that fits with the image of the coolest little capital in the world; like the Westside Containers Terminal (or should that read the Terminal Westside Containers).

dungfungus dungfungus 9:14 pm 25 Apr 16

Mordd said :

Mordd said :

Citizen Phil said :

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

The opposite. It is you who appear to want to live in the Middle Ages.

You appear to be pre-Enlightenment, believing what you want to believe just because you like/don’t like it. Scientists who actually measure, and assess the results of their measurement and have that checked by other scientists and checked again and again are all fraudsters because You, Don’t, Like, What, They, Say.

If someone says anything that contradicts what you JUST believe because: well everyone KNOWS it’s true, you enter witch burning mode.

I believe in and use modern high technology such as renewable technology, computers and other innovations of modern science. I believe in the powers of rational thinking and that most arguments can be broken down to analysable and testable elements to determine their reality or not.

As I said, the opposite.

While you only believe in rational thinking; I practice it which is pretty close to opposite.
Lets agree to disagree, OK?

That’s the thing with science, we need to see evidence of that before it becomes believable.

“We prefer to believe what we prefer to be true”
Francis Bacon

rubaiyat rubaiyat 5:53 pm 25 Apr 16

Mysteryman said :

Believes in the benefits of modern technology, yet somehow thinks making people wait at a station, then stand crammed together in a box running off overhead wires and limited to a single narrow track of steel with total cost approach a billion dollars is a good solution to transport. Riiiight!

Beats believing in sitting on your rapidly broadening backside, in a 2 tonne metal box on your own in congestion, for long commutes, causing many fatalities, much more serious injuries, and a heck of a lot of pollution, whilst spending $5 billion A YEAR (not $698 million over 20 years) whilst lying to yourself over the monetary cost, damage to your health and the damage to your city is a good solution to anything. Riiiiight!

dungfungus dungfungus 3:27 pm 24 Apr 16

Mysteryman said :

Citizen Phil said :

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

The opposite. It is you who appear to want to live in the Middle Ages.

You appear to be pre-Enlightenment, believing what you want to believe just because you like/don’t like it. Scientists who actually measure, and assess the results of their measurement and have that checked by other scientists and checked again and again are all fraudsters because You, Don’t, Like, What, They, Say.

If someone says anything that contradicts what you JUST believe because: well everyone KNOWS it’s true, you enter witch burning mode.

I believe in and use modern high technology such as renewable technology, computers and other innovations of modern science. I believe in the powers of rational thinking and that most arguments can be broken down to analysable and testable elements to determine their reality or not.

As I said, the opposite.

Believes in the benefits of modern technology, yet somehow thinks making people wait at a station, then stand crammed together in a box running off overhead wires and limited to a single narrow track of steel with total cost approach a billion dollars is a good solution to transport. Riiiight!

I have never said trams are “modern technology”. In fact, I have regularly referred to them as 100 year old technology. They are only suitable in certain situations and Canberra does not have a claim to any of them
When are you going to finally see that Canberrans want to use cars despite all the evil things they represent (according to you).

rubaiyat rubaiyat 12:48 pm 24 Apr 16

Mordd said :

Citizen Phil said :

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

The opposite. It is you who appear to want to live in the Middle Ages.

You appear to be pre-Enlightenment, believing what you want to believe just because you like/don’t like it. Scientists who actually measure, and assess the results of their measurement and have that checked by other scientists and checked again and again are all fraudsters because You, Don’t, Like, What, They, Say.

If someone says anything that contradicts what you JUST believe because: well everyone KNOWS it’s true, you enter witch burning mode.

I believe in and use modern high technology such as renewable technology, computers and other innovations of modern science. I believe in the powers of rational thinking and that most arguments can be broken down to analysable and testable elements to determine their reality or not.

As I said, the opposite.

While you only believe in rational thinking; I practice it which is pretty close to opposite.
Lets agree to disagree, OK?

That’s the thing with science, we need to see evidence of that before it becomes believable.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 7:09 am 24 Apr 16

Let’s say for a minute that this thing takes off and Civic dwellers adopt the new way of travel. Go-get finds its cars are constantly on the streets and they need more to satisfy demand. They buy more cars for the fleet and park them where? On the kerb or in street parking? In the underground private parking spaces of apartments? If the former, parking spots are taken away from anybody wanting to visit their mates in Tramville and soon there are even less parking spaces left for anybody wanting to drive to the city for shopping or business. If the latter, those cars are only accessible to tenants of the building, which wouldn’t suit the purpose of the business venture. As the fleet gets larger, they will inevitably take up parking spaces, either in the public car parks or the on street parking zones adjacent residential areas. You couldn’t say that a handful of these cars is going to be a great business plan, they have to be looking at up-scaling to make it more profitable. Always, these cars are going to be located nearest to high density housing and community centers, never in the middle of a suburban fringe-dwelling habitat.

Mordd said :

It’s true that the service only really works if you live in the city near a pod. If you live out in the suburbs it’s not really practical. But so what? A service doesn’t have to please everyone to be useful and viable.

So if it helps the city dwellers it’s a great idea, screw the rest of Canberra! Just like the tram…

dungfungus said :

If several people avail themselves of the car a day, that is several cars not on the road or not occupying parking spaces.

It would make little difference if thousands of people sold their cars tomorrow, because the ones who use this new service would be the ones who already use public transport to get to work and back. The parking spaces freed up would be their own spot in the basement of a building, not the one in London Circuit, because they can get there by bus already. The ones who fill up the car parks, the ones who cause the congestion, are not the city dwellers but the people from Woden, Belconnen Gungahlin and Tuggeranong. Go-get will not change these people’s travel habits, but will take up more parking in their destination. The more Go-get and Pop-cars in Civic, sitting idle whilst they wait for an occasional user to walk by, the more parking spaces taken up. Then when they are hired, the space remains vacant but not available to anybody else except the renter of the vehicle. At least when a suburbanite goes home, the parking space can be used by anybody else.

rubaiyat said :

I don’t know whether to call this a big fat maths fail or something else.
If I decide to not buy a car, that frees up a parking space.
One Popcar serves the needs of multiple people who have done away with a car of their own.
For every 1 extra Popcar you see, that is 1xX extra parking spaces that have been freed up, where X represents the number of cars that are given up per Popcar that is in circulation.

As I just explained, one Pop-car takes up it’s designated space in public parking whether it is there or not, plus occupies the space where it is taken to. A private car space remains unavailable at the owner’s premises whether they have a car or not. This is why these Go-get services will inevitably take up more public parking spaces whilst the number of private car parks remains the same. As demand increases, more public parking is going to be surrendered to the new hire car companies. It helps the people in Civic, but makes things worse for those coming from the suburbs.
You not deciding to buy a car means you probably have easy access to public transport. That also means you probably don’t drive to work already, so the choice to not own a car does nothing for public parking, nor does it free up a spot for anybody else. The Go-get car you will choose to use occasionally will occupy a spot where there used to be visitor parking. It doesn’t free up anything but actually uses more of the presently available parking spots.
If you don’t believe me, look at the map available on Go-get’s website and see where their cars are parked. They are in public car parks, taking up space that you or I could be using for our trip into Canberra’s central district.

OpenYourMind OpenYourMind 5:43 pm 23 Apr 16

Citizen Phil said :

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

The opposite. It is you who appear to want to live in the Middle Ages.

You appear to be pre-Enlightenment, believing what you want to believe just because you like/don’t like it. Scientists who actually measure, and assess the results of their measurement and have that checked by other scientists and checked again and again are all fraudsters because You, Don’t, Like, What, They, Say.

If someone says anything that contradicts what you JUST believe because: well everyone KNOWS it’s true, you enter witch burning mode.

I believe in and use modern high technology such as renewable technology, computers and other innovations of modern science. I believe in the powers of rational thinking and that most arguments can be broken down to analysable and testable elements to determine their reality or not.

As I said, the opposite.

Believes in the benefits of modern technology, yet somehow thinks making people wait at a station, then stand crammed together in a box running off overhead wires and limited to a single narrow track of steel with total cost approach a billion dollars is a good solution to transport. Riiiight!

dungfungus dungfungus 4:18 pm 23 Apr 16

Citizen Phil said :

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

The opposite. It is you who appear to want to live in the Middle Ages.

You appear to be pre-Enlightenment, believing what you want to believe just because you like/don’t like it. Scientists who actually measure, and assess the results of their measurement and have that checked by other scientists and checked again and again are all fraudsters because You, Don’t, Like, What, They, Say.

If someone says anything that contradicts what you JUST believe because: well everyone KNOWS it’s true, you enter witch burning mode.

I believe in and use modern high technology such as renewable technology, computers and other innovations of modern science. I believe in the powers of rational thinking and that most arguments can be broken down to analysable and testable elements to determine their reality or not.

As I said, the opposite.

While you only believe in rational thinking; I practice it which is pretty close to opposite.
Lets agree to disagree, OK?

HenryBG HenryBG 4:04 pm 23 Apr 16

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

Your 20th-century fossil-fuel dream is rapidly receding into the past and getting closer and closer to the middle ages with each day that passes.

The 21st Century is here. Stuff is changing. Wind power is cheaper than coal according to the IEA, which is why the coal industry is dying despite the massive government subsidies it gets. Coal being abandoned as an energy source can’t happen too quickly, in my book.
And the expansion of the wind power sector is going to help people question and reject the current monopolistic corporate models that have been foisted on our essential services.
Distributed systems are here, big time, and collective services – much as the far-right-wingers hate them – are the future.

justin heywood justin heywood 1:00 pm 23 Apr 16

Mordd said :

…I’m swapping around $12k/yr ($5k depreciation, $2k insurance amp; reg, $2k maintenance, $3k permanent parking, and probably more I’ve forgotten about) for an estimated GoGet annual cost of around $2k. So around $10k saving.

Sounds good. I’d really be interested in seeing another post on this in, say 6 months to see how this all works out in practice.

Mordd said :

…. the service only really works if you live in the city near a pod. If you live out in the suburbs it’s not really practical. But so what? A service doesn’t have to please everyone to be useful and viable.

That’s true. The perfect solution is usually the enemy of the good solution.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 10:56 am 23 Apr 16

rommeldog56 said :

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

The opposite. It is you who appear to want to live in the Middle Ages.

You appear to be pre-Enlightenment, believing what you want to believe just because you like/don’t like it. Scientists who actually measure, and assess the results of their measurement and have that checked by other scientists and checked again and again are all fraudsters because You, Don’t, Like, What, They, Say.

If someone says anything that contradicts what you JUST believe because: well everyone KNOWS it’s true, you enter witch burning mode.

I believe in and use modern high technology such as renewable technology, computers and other innovations of modern science. I believe in the powers of rational thinking and that most arguments can be broken down to analysable and testable elements to determine their reality or not.

As I said, the opposite.

dungfungus dungfungus 7:58 am 23 Apr 16

Postalgeek said :

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

I don’t apologise for anything that benefits the modern world.
Sounds like you would prefer to live in the Middle Ages.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 5:22 pm 22 Apr 16

Masquara said :

Good grief!
Here we go again.
How much will this Green folly cost us ratepayers?

As a curiosity do you ever think about the humungous costs, not these insignificant amounts, that all the pollution, congestion and financial malpractices that you apologise for, actually cost everybody?

rubaiyat rubaiyat 5:18 pm 22 Apr 16

SunRider said :

Do the car sharing companies have to pay for these parking spots? Taxi owners have to pay for the taxi ranks.

How do they pay for taxi ranks? and don’t say with taxi licences because that is a separate issue of restricted business permits.

As a separate issue GoGet and Popcar should pay a commercial rate for the spaces they use for their business but it has not been established as to what exact agreements have been made.

There is a Rideshare vehicle registration applied in the ACT so it may be similar.

You pay extra for Business vehicle registration that allows you to use Loading Zones. That also would be a relevant precedence.

dungfungus dungfungus 11:15 am 22 Apr 16

devils_advocate said :

Leo61 said :

I use GoGet in Sydney because I hate driving back and forth. It’s a fantastic service. And it’s not the same as standard hire cars because, after registering, you just book online in seconds, walk up to the car, get in and use it.

And there will now be one less personal car using up city car parks because I’m finally going to sell my own car – and just stick to GoGet in both Sydney and Canberra.

Anyone with elementary maths can work out that they will save a mozza. Cars are hugely expensive for the tiny bit of use they get. People avoid the real costs and make out it is just the petrol.

“Cars are hugely expensive for the tiny bit of use they get.”
Yes, buses and trams are a real bargain by comparison.

StevenC StevenC 9:41 am 22 Apr 16

devils_advocate said :

Leo61 said :

I use GoGet in Sydney because I hate driving back and forth. It’s a fantastic service. And it’s not the same as standard hire cars because, after registering, you just book online in seconds, walk up to the car, get in and use it.

And there will now be one less personal car using up city car parks because I’m finally going to sell my own car – and just stick to GoGet in both Sydney and Canberra.

Anyone with elementary maths can work out that they will save a mozza. Cars are hugely expensive for the tiny bit of use they get. People avoid the real costs and make out it is just the petrol.

Yes – in may case I’m swapping around $12k/yr ($5k depreciation, $2k insurance & reg, $2k maintenance, $3k permanent parking, and probably more I’ve forgotten about) for an estimated GoGet annual cost of around $2k. So around $10k saving. It’s true that the service only really works if you live in the city near a pod. If you live out in the suburbs it’s not really practical. But so what? A service doesn’t have to please everyone to be useful and viable.

HenryBG HenryBG 10:01 pm 21 Apr 16

I am a Rabbit™ said :

Holden Caulfield said :

rubaiyat said :

It’s interesting to see the reaction of people who fear change – they refuse to accept renewable energy, climate science, and anything like this which upsets their static outlook on the way the world is. Fascinating.

If you don’t understand, you fear.

I think you mean “fear of the unknown”. To say people are fearful because they don’t understand something is simply ridiculous.

What are you on about? I am absolutely terrified of Trigonometry.

dungfungus dungfungus 8:50 pm 21 Apr 16

SunRider said :

Do the car sharing companies have to pay for these parking spots? Taxi owners have to pay for the taxi ranks.

Our visionary government is probably giving them free parking and paying them as well.
Hopefully, a Liberal MLA will ask them for more details.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 6:57 pm 21 Apr 16

Leo61 said :

I use GoGet in Sydney because I hate driving back and forth. It’s a fantastic service. And it’s not the same as standard hire cars because, after registering, you just book online in seconds, walk up to the car, get in and use it.

And there will now be one less personal car using up city car parks because I’m finally going to sell my own car – and just stick to GoGet in both Sydney and Canberra.

Anyone with elementary maths can work out that they will save a mozza. Cars are hugely expensive for the tiny bit of use they get. People avoid the real costs and make out it is just the petrol.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 6:52 pm 21 Apr 16

I am a Rabbit™ said :

Holden Caulfield said :

rubaiyat said :

It’s interesting to see the reaction of people who fear change – they refuse to accept renewable energy, climate science, and anything like this which upsets their static outlook on the way the world is. Fascinating.

If you don’t understand, you fear.

I think you mean “fear of the unknown”. To say people are fearful because they don’t understand something is simply ridiculous.

So you are afraid that you didn’t understand what I said? 😀

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