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Greens’ extremist legisation Smoking in cars with children [With Poll]

By Sarni - 11 October 2011 31

In NSW Smoking in a car with a child under the age of 16 is against the law. The NSW Public Health (Tobacco) Act 2008 creates an offence  of smoking in a car with a child under 16 years of age in the vehicle. A $250 on the spot fine applies to the driver and any passenger who breaks the law .  This is a good law – it protects public health  and imposes a reasonable fine.

A draft ACT law – Smoking in Cars with Children (Prohibition) Bill 2011 – would create similar offence but is a bad law as it imposes a draconic penalty of $5500 . This is typical of extremist Green sponsored legisation. In November 2011  a new ACT Greens sponsored law will come into effect which imposes a $5500 thousand dollar fine on a retailer or his staff who provides a one plastic shopping bag to a customer.

What are the views of the Canberra citizenry on the Greens’s draconic legislation?

What draconic legislation will the Greens insist on next?

Appropriate penalty for smoking in cars with children

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UPDATE: The Greens have been in touch to clarify that the Smoking in Cars with Children (Prohibition) Bill 2011 was tabled by the ALP Government, not the Greens.

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31 Responses to
Greens’ extremist legisation Smoking in cars with children [With Poll]
Jim Jones 11:45 am 11 Oct 11

“Greens’s draconic legislation”

Legislation about dragons?

Pretty typical that the dude banging on about how evil the Greens are doesn’t know how to use words of more than two syllables or construct a sentence.

Jim Jones 11:42 am 11 Oct 11

Classified said :

Solidarity said :

Grail said :

Smoking is a drug habit. Smoking while you have other people in your car is effectively pushing your habit and should be punished as such.

Involuntary, unavoidable exposure of other people to the hazards of your drug habit is worse than simply having a drug habit.

If you have responsibility for caring for certain people, you wouldn’t intentionally expose them to cocaine or heroin, so why would you expose them to nicotine?

Better not drink a beer with friends, hell better not drink a can of Coke with friends, you’re exposing people to DRUGS.

Are you forcing them to drink it?

Also, you shouldn’t have to share your drugs with children unless they have the cash to pay for their share.

Classified 11:37 am 11 Oct 11

Solidarity said :

Grail said :

Smoking is a drug habit. Smoking while you have other people in your car is effectively pushing your habit and should be punished as such.

Involuntary, unavoidable exposure of other people to the hazards of your drug habit is worse than simply having a drug habit.

If you have responsibility for caring for certain people, you wouldn’t intentionally expose them to cocaine or heroin, so why would you expose them to nicotine?

Better not drink a beer with friends, hell better not drink a can of Coke with friends, you’re exposing people to DRUGS.

Are you forcing them to drink it?

Solidarity 11:34 am 11 Oct 11

Grail said :

Smoking is a drug habit. Smoking while you have other people in your car is effectively pushing your habit and should be punished as such.

Involuntary, unavoidable exposure of other people to the hazards of your drug habit is worse than simply having a drug habit.

If you have responsibility for caring for certain people, you wouldn’t intentionally expose them to cocaine or heroin, so why would you expose them to nicotine?

Better not drink a beer with friends, hell better not drink a can of Coke with friends, you’re exposing people to DRUGS.

Jungle Jim 11:26 am 11 Oct 11

I am a 20-a-day smoker and am against a number of the severe laws and limitations being levied against smokers in this country, but any smoker who thinks it’s okay, in this day and age, to smoke in a small confined space with young children in the car deserves to be hit with a massive fine and have it recorded against them. I’d like to think that people who’re caught smoking with children in the car more than once should be investigated for child abuse.

I don’t smoke in my car when there are other (non-smoking) adults with me, let alone children. To me that’s just common courtesy (with adults) and common sense (with children).

vet111 11:26 am 11 Oct 11

Solidarity said :

I don’t know what is scarier, the fact that they propose a $5500 fine for something so trivial, or the fact that people are in support of it.

As the child of a smoker and as a smoker myself, I’m not so sure I’d agree that it’s so trivial. If you want to smoke, it’s your choice but don’t force others to breathe your filth. If people can’t manage to be without a smoke for the time they’re in the car, I’d suggest they’ve got bigger issues to worry about.

Smoking with adult passengers is another story. While I no longer smoke in my car, I used to and my pet hate was people getting into the car and complaining about the smell of smoke or, on long trips, complaining if I had a smoke. You knew I smoke in the car before you get in, so stop bitching or drive your own damn car!

Jethro 11:23 am 11 Oct 11

It’s a substantially higher fine than what you would cop if you were drink driving with your kids in the car. I know which act I view as more irresponsible.

Also, people who smoke in their cars are the same people who smoke in their homes. So, it’s not exactly going to save the kids from passive smoke anyway, seeing that they would spend at least 12 hours a day in a housefull of smoke. I imagine in winter it would be like a dutch oven. Should we start fining people $5500 for smoking in their houses. Will the police knock down people’s doors to enforce this?

I do not smoke.

Grail 11:15 am 11 Oct 11

Smoking is a drug habit. Smoking while you have other people in your car is effectively pushing your habit and should be punished as such.

Involuntary, unavoidable exposure of other people to the hazards of your drug habit is worse than simply having a drug habit.

If you have responsibility for caring for certain people, you wouldn’t intentionally expose them to cocaine or heroin, so why would you expose them to nicotine?

Henry82 11:15 am 11 Oct 11

I’m surprised this isn’t already in place, it is basically an idiot tax. Although a $5500 fine would be a great source of revenue for the government, the people who would smoke with their kids are probably going to be allowed to pay it off in $10 segments for the rest of their life, negating any purpose of the fine.

Erg0 11:12 am 11 Oct 11

Solidarity said :

I don’t know what is scarier, the fact that they propose a $5500 fine for something so trivial, or the fact that people are in support of it.

Could be an indication that not everyone agrees it’s a “trivial” matter?

M0les 11:00 am 11 Oct 11

“…$5500 thousand dollar fine…”

So that’s, what… a five million, five hundred thousand dollar fine all-up? Sounds a bit steep to me.

ThatUniStudent 10:53 am 11 Oct 11

I meant female, not remale…. Doh!
Remale sounds like a hair replacement therapy. “Remale hair, yeah yeah!”

ThatUniStudent 10:51 am 11 Oct 11

“In November 2011 a new ACT Greens sponsored law will come into effect which imposes a $5500 thousand dollar fine on a retailer or his staff who provides a one plastic shopping bag to a customer.”
So remale retailers are exempt from the fine then? Well I’m all for that!

Solidarity 10:51 am 11 Oct 11

I don’t know what is scarier, the fact that they propose a $5500 fine for something so trivial, or the fact that people are in support of it.

Kate_Greens 10:25 am 11 Oct 11

Correction for poster.

The Smoking in Cars with Children (Prohibition) Bill 2011 was tabled by the Minister for Health, of ACT Government. The legislation exists in every jurisdiction except Northern Territory.

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