25 July 2013

Greens pushing to make cycling safer

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The Greens are making a push to improve cycling safety in Australia, with a year long inquiry into the safety of cyclists, pedestrians, and motor cyclists.

What action, if any, this inquiry will result in is unknown, but I’m all for making cycling safer.

“Every year in Australia an average of 35 bicycle riders are killed and more than 9,500 are seriously injured. In the ACT we’ve had three cyclist deaths in the last three years and hundreds of injuries,” said ACT Greens Member for Molonglo, Shane Rattenbury.

“There are Greens in all State and Territory Parliaments except for Queensland and the Northern Territory, and they are all taking action to improve safety for cyclists and other vulnerable road users.

“In several States, the Greens are introducing legislation requiring drivers to leave a minimum distance when overtaking bicycle riders.

“Here in the ACT, the Greens have already initiated a year-long committee inquiry into improving the safety of cyclists and other vulnerable road users such as pedestrians and motorcyclists.

“The inquiry will gather evidence from the community and experts, and examine best practice approaches to protect and encourage vulnerable road users. This could include better regulation, infrastructure, design, education and funding arrangements.

“Taking measures to protect and prioritise vulnerable road users and improve their safety has the benefit of encouraging more use of sustainable transport and it’s the Greens that are leading the way on this around the country,” Mr Rattenbury concluded.

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Canberra has a lot of cycle paths and cycle lanes on roads. I don’t think you can ever make cycling on the roads safe. By it’s nature, mixing relatively slow moving cyclists on roads with cars travelling 50-100kms on average is a dangerous act.

wildturkeycanoe2:00 pm 27 Jul 13

Innovation said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Perhaps we should have separate paths for every type of vehicle. Lane 1 for bicycles, lane 2 for learner drivers, slow moving tractors and motor vehicles driven by people over 60 years, lane 3 for everyone else except for those in lanes 5, 6 & 7, lane 5 for tradespeople and those with enough cash to pay the fines, lane 6 for those who change lanes before they indicate and lane 7 for those with high powered vehicles that cannot legally do their maximum speed, P-platers and those suffering a death wish.

LOL – You can joke; and I was exaggerating too to make a point. However, would it be so silly if, in years or decades to come, there eventually were more cyclists than drivers/passengers on roads like Northbourne Avenue?

Been there, done that, in Beijing. There were more bikes than cars, with a lane dedicated to cyclists off to the side, wide enough for cars to drive on. Scariest ride of my life, what with the hundreds of people flying along in all manner of pedaling. I only went to get two cases of beer four blocks away and fretted for my life crossing the cycle lane that went left to right, then 3 lanes of cars going right to left, then 3 more lanes of cars going left to right, then another cycle lane going the other way again! That was just one intersection, 3 more to go. I’m glad I made it back to the embassy in one piece. From then on I caught a taxi.

wildturkeycanoe said :

Perhaps we should have separate paths for every type of vehicle. Lane 1 for bicycles, lane 2 for learner drivers, slow moving tractors and motor vehicles driven by people over 60 years, lane 3 for everyone else except for those in lanes 5, 6 & 7, lane 5 for tradespeople and those with enough cash to pay the fines, lane 6 for those who change lanes before they indicate and lane 7 for those with high powered vehicles that cannot legally do their maximum speed, P-platers and those suffering a death wish.

LOL – You can joke; and I was exaggerating too to make a point. However, would it be so silly if, in years or decades to come, there eventually were more cyclists than drivers/passengers on roads like Northbourne Avenue?

Antagonist said :

KB1971 said :

Antagonist said :

I am getting a distinctly ‘Silence of the Lambs’ feel here, but on a much smaller scale. “It puts the lotion on its tiny mouse hide, or it gets the lycra again!” 🙂

Hahahahaaha, you are good. Are you Nostradamus?

You started it:

KB1971 said :

Antagonist said :

If the Greens were genuine about making roads safer for cyclists, they would outlaw lycra immediately.

But it feels so *mice* against my skin………..

While I think it is catchy, I don’t think JB will let us change your username to ‘Lycra Bill’ 😉

I have been called far worse!

Grimm said :

KB1971 said :

Did you even read the press release?

Its not about the environment or conservation, its about people being idiots on the road & trying to protect those that are more at risk of injury.

Did you read my post? It’s about being sick of the greens spending millions upon millions of dollars on studies and inquiries, and never producing anything with the results of those studies. Either that or not liking the outcome of those inquiries and studies and pretending they never happened.

If any other party had suggested this, you may actually get an outcome for the money. With the greens commissioning it, you’re guaranteed to get nothing but a few million bucks wasted on telling us what we already know, and nothing being done with the recommendations. They are a money and time wasting party that have people fooled into believing they are useful for anything.

I’m genuinely interested in hearing examples of these greens expensive committees, ignored recommendations etc. Committee inquiries are just a normal part of the parliament anyway aren’t they? Ie not millions of dollars.

KB1971 said :

Antagonist said :

I am getting a distinctly ‘Silence of the Lambs’ feel here, but on a much smaller scale. “It puts the lotion on its tiny mouse hide, or it gets the lycra again!” 🙂

Hahahahaaha, you are good. Are you Nostradamus?

You started it:

KB1971 said :

Antagonist said :

If the Greens were genuine about making roads safer for cyclists, they would outlaw lycra immediately.

But it feels so *mice* against my skin………..

While I think it is catchy, I don’t think JB will let us change your username to ‘Lycra Bill’ 😉

thebrownstreak698:57 pm 26 Jul 13

dkNigs said :

You couldn’t pay me to ride my bike on the road, not only do you have to deal with the “get out of my way” lycra patrol, but all the cars they pissed off by riding in the edge of the lane instead of the on road bike lane.

I’ll stick to my off road cycle paths.

+1, it’s attitudes that need to change.

wildturkeycanoe8:39 pm 26 Jul 13

Perhaps we should have separate paths for every type of vehicle. Lane 1 for bicycles, lane 2 for learner drivers, slow moving tractors and motor vehicles driven by people over 60 years, lane 3 for everyone else except for those in lanes 5, 6 & 7, lane 5 for tradespeople and those with enough cash to pay the fines, lane 6 for those who change lanes before they indicate and lane 7 for those with high powered vehicles that cannot legally do their maximum speed, P-platers and those suffering a death wish.

Antagonist said :

I am getting a distinctly ‘Silence of the Lambs’ feel here, but on a much smaller scale. “It puts the lotion on its tiny mouse hide, or it gets the lycra again!” 🙂

Hahahahaaha, you are good. Are you Nostradamus?

Bit tired of all of the studies from all sides and no visible action.

And for those who think cyclists are a dieing breed, think again. The number of electric bikes are growing rapidly and the technology is improving significantly too. (Last week, admittedly not in Canberra, I saw three electric tricycles, one with a fixed roof covering, and an electric bike towing a trailer). Don’t be surprised if before too long, you are losing whole car lanes to cyclists and speed limits adjacent to cycle lanes are reduced (to reduce the risk/degree of injury). I wonder how many would drive if, instead of light rail, Northbourne became one 60km/h bus lane, one 40km/h car lane and one cycle lane .

Grimm said :

What a surprise. The watermelon party are going to commission another multi million dollar inquiry which leads to nothing.

%u2026 Seriously though, what policy have they ever had that is worthwhile, sensible, cost effective and actually produced an outcome?

Resurfacing of most of the bike paths I use to commute to work, updating the signs on bike paths which hadn’t been touched for 20 years, preventing the introduction of headphones for gambling machines in the ACT, solar feed in tariff to stimulate the introduction of rooftop solar in Canberra suburbs: all good things which make my life in Canberra that much sweeter.

Forcing cyclists to dismount at crossings will achieve nothing, especially not somehow magically making the rude and inconsiderate ones more polite at pedestrian crossings. If anything, being required to dismount at crossing will just make them ruder and more inconsiderate.

The best way to make cycling safer in the ACT would be to remove cars from the roads.

I am getting a distinctly ‘Silence of the Lambs’ feel here, but on a much smaller scale. “It puts the lotion on its tiny mouse hide, or it gets the lycra again!” 🙂

Antagonist said :

If the Greens were genuine about making roads safer for cyclists, they would outlaw lycra immediately.

But it feels so mice against my skin………..

If the Greens were genuine about making roads safer for cyclists, they would outlaw lycra immediately.

Masquara said :

Perhaps they will recommend that cyclists stop cycling at speed across pedestrian crossings.

+1 Should be no need to dismount though.

Masquara said :

Perhaps they will recommend that cyclists stop cycling at speed across pedestrian crossings.

That’s an alien concept for Canberran cyclists.
The first cyclist to dismount at a crossing (as per the law which is never enforced) should receive a “Hero’s Award”.

miz said :

Riding a bike used to be fun. Now it seems to be overrun by commuting loonies who bowl pedestrians over. They’re a menace.
I’d pay for a great big sign at the pedestrian crossing on National Circuit, telling cyclists to dismount before crossing and to ring their bloody bell when riding on the path.

Bam spot on

You couldn’t pay me to ride my bike on the road, not only do you have to deal with the “get out of my way” lycra patrol, but all the cars they pissed off by riding in the edge of the lane instead of the on road bike lane.

I’ll stick to my off road cycle paths.

Perhaps they will recommend that cyclists stop cycling at speed across pedestrian crossings.

Good cycling infrastructure benefits everybody, not just cyclists.

Getting more people onto bikes means less cars on the road, less congestion and more parking spaces for those that choose to drive, less obesity, depression and heart disease, less carbon dioxide spewed into the atmosphere, and less taxes for everybody. It is extremely cost-effective and benefits all, including car drivers. Win:win for everyone.

Let registered vehicles use the road and unregistered vehicles use offroad. If you don’t have a licence, rego or insurance, don’t get on the road. Also , get off your bike on crossings. Think of the revenue that could be raised if cyclists were subject to the same policing as vehicles. Ever seen one stop at a stop sign or red light? Doesn’t Shane realise why he is the last Green standing. Normal people are sick of it all.

Riding a bike used to be fun. Now it seems to be overrun by commuting loonies who bowl pedestrians over. They’re a menace.
I’d pay for a great big sign at the pedestrian crossing on National Circuit, telling cyclists to dismount before crossing and to ring their bloody bell when riding on the path.

More people die falling from ladders every year.

“Taking measures to protect and prioritise vulnerable ladder users and improve their safety has the benefit of encouraging more use of ladders and it’s the Greens that are leading the way on this around the country,” Mr Rattenbury concluded.

dtc said :

Is this the Greens’ fault (or Green’s?) or the fault of the other parties not accepting the Greens’ recommendations. Essentially you are saying ‘only let the majority make recommendations, because that way we know the recommendations will turn into action’ (well, perhaps)

Very much so, considering their recommendations are never in the realms of reality, as a general rule.

Grimm said :

If any other party had suggested this, you may actually get an outcome for the money. With the greens commissioning it, you’re guaranteed to get nothing but a few million bucks wasted on telling us what we already know, and nothing being done with the recommendations. They are a money and time wasting party that have people fooled into believing they are useful for anything.

Is this the Greens’ fault (or Green’s?) or the fault of the other parties not accepting the Greens’ recommendations. Essentially you are saying ‘only let the majority make recommendations, because that way we know the recommendations will turn into action’ (well, perhaps)

KB1971 said :

Holden Caulfield said :

The best way to make cycling/cyclists safer would be to remove them from the roads, probably for a network of dedicated paths.

But I can’t see that happening any time soon.

So it all comes down to improving the attitudes of all road users so that they may share the road patiently and not be wankers.

I would love this too and we have it pretty good here in Canberra but it doesnt go far enough. I also think that it is a dream that we will get complete off road paths for cyclists nor do I particularly think we need them in a lot of areas.

Its a bitl like the Barton & Kings Highway areguments, both bits of roads are high quality roads and, for the most, well built for a country two lane road, its the behavoir of motorists that give it a bad name.

For the most I agree with you though.

Sorry, insert #road users# for motorists, in the case of in town here. Motorists was meant for users of the highways.

Holden Caulfield said :

The best way to make cycling/cyclists safer would be to remove them from the roads, probably for a network of dedicated paths.

But I can’t see that happening any time soon.

So it all comes down to improving the attitudes of all road users so that they may share the road patiently and not be wankers.

I would love this too and we have it pretty good here in Canberra but it doesnt go far enough. I also think that it is a dream that we will get complete off road paths for cyclists nor do I particularly think we need them in a lot of areas.

Its a bitl like the Barton & Kings Highway areguments, both bits of roads are high quality roads and, for the most, well built for a country two lane road, its the behavoir of motorists that give it a bad name.

For the most I agree with you though.

KB1971 said :

Did you even read the press release?

Its not about the environment or conservation, its about people being idiots on the road & trying to protect those that are more at risk of injury.

Did you read my post? It’s about being sick of the greens spending millions upon millions of dollars on studies and inquiries, and never producing anything with the results of those studies. Either that or not liking the outcome of those inquiries and studies and pretending they never happened.

If any other party had suggested this, you may actually get an outcome for the money. With the greens commissioning it, you’re guaranteed to get nothing but a few million bucks wasted on telling us what we already know, and nothing being done with the recommendations. They are a money and time wasting party that have people fooled into believing they are useful for anything.

Grimm said :

What a surprise. The watermelon party are going to commission another multi million dollar inquiry which leads to nothing.

Who keeps voting for these jokers? The 2 major parties might be utterly crap, so I imagine a lot of the greens votes come about from protest against Labor and the Libs. Seriously though, what policy have they ever had that is worthwhile, sensible, cost effective and actually produced an outcome? Stop wasting your votes and giving any power to a party claiming to be environmentalists while never having done anything worthwhile for the environment or conservation.

Did you even read the press release?

Its not about the environment or conservation, its about people being idiots on the road & trying to protect those that are more at risk of injury.

What a surprise. The watermelon party are going to commission another multi million dollar inquiry which leads to nothing.

Who keeps voting for these jokers? The 2 major parties might be utterly crap, so I imagine a lot of the greens votes come about from protest against Labor and the Libs. Seriously though, what policy have they ever had that is worthwhile, sensible, cost effective and actually produced an outcome? Stop wasting your votes and giving any power to a party claiming to be environmentalists while never having done anything worthwhile for the environment or conservation.

Holden Caulfield12:40 pm 25 Jul 13

The best way to make cycling/cyclists safer would be to remove them from the roads, probably for a network of dedicated paths.

But I can’t see that happening any time soon.

So it all comes down to improving the attitudes of all road users so that they may share the road patiently and not be wankers.

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