Gungahlin traffic woes

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Is anyone else finding the daily commute out of Gungahlin difficult?

My concerns are, as the population of the district increases the amount of traffic on the roads will only increase. Horse Park Dr, parts of Flemington Rd are single lane – not sufficient for the morning volumes of traffic.  Compared to Tuggeranong and Belconnen, Gungahlin does not seem to have a road network capable of dispersing traffic at peak times.

What measures will be put in place when the light rail gets underway? Flemington Road is likely to be further constrained for quite some time – has anyone in government considered measures for dealing with the light rail and traffic leaving Gungahlin?


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VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 1:52 pm 25 Mar 15

vintage123 said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Once the tram is in place all your problems will be solved!

Not entirely true. Tram will only service inner city. What about those who work elsewhere, such as the airport, belconnen, Woden and Southside.

Sorry, forget to put the sarcasm tag on. I don’t actually think it will make much difference at all, as it will just replace some buses. It also means that local govco will be justified in reducing spending on other roads in Gungahlin.

Maya123 Maya123 11:38 am 25 Mar 15

Weatherman said :

These issues of congestion have been around for years in larger cities. Monash Freeway had always been known as the south-east car park. Brisbane met north roads are also heavily congested as there is no major arterial motorway heading in the north and north west direction. Sydney roads are also a nightmare to commute through if you have to be attending meetings and appointments. Canberra is a growing city, however, congestion has always been common in large global cities. Gungahlin is still a developing area. Some of the group centres are still being constructed, which contain employment opportunities.

I hope to see duplication of Horse Park Drive and Gundaroo Drive as they are major thoroughfares. Canberra should also have light rail or heavy rail. Canberra is one of the few cities of its size that does not have commuter railway.

“Canberra should also have light rail or heavy rail.”

I agree and am pleased about the light rail that is proposed.

This is how Seattle’s light rail looks:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=light+rail+seattle&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RQISVZi7FtTi8AWik4HwBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=1664&bih=1027

Maya123 Maya123 11:32 am 25 Mar 15

vintage123 said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Once the tram is in place all your problems will be solved!

Not entirely true. Tram will only service inner city. What about those who work elsewhere, such as the airport, belconnen, Woden and Southside.

I’m on the South side and will rarely directly benefit from this light rail, but I still accept that it’s a good idea. It is short sighted to say what about me. Light rail can’t start everywhere at once (imagine THAT cost) and I accept as it has to start somewhere I might not initially benefit. I like to consider myself bigger than that narrow me-me, ‘How will it benefit ME, not living in Gungahlin?” view I read here so often.

vintage123 vintage123 10:54 am 25 Mar 15

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

Once the tram is in place all your problems will be solved!

Not entirely true. Tram will only service inner city. What about those who work elsewhere, such as the airport, belconnen, Woden and Southside.

watto23 watto23 10:21 am 25 Mar 15

chewy14 said :

“What measures will be put in place when the light rail gets underway?”

I’d suggest your woes going anywhere near Flemington Rd/Northbourne are not going to be fixed and indeed will likely become much worse. The tram will take up an entire lane and they will need to make the tram more attractive than driving for it to be viable. Hence spending large amounts on increasing the traffic capacity of these roads is unlikely.

Agreed. If there are residents in Canberra upset with the cost of light rail, well its even a bigger waste to spend money on duplicating all the roads out of Gungahlin. I’d suggest maybe some minor improvements at best will be done before the scheduled 2019 opening of the light rail.

That said people I knew kept telling me they wanted to build their own house and how lovely Gungahlin is and how cr*p Tuggeranong is. Now they whinge about the traffic!

Weatherman Weatherman 9:38 am 25 Mar 15

These issues of congestion have been around for years in larger cities. Monash Freeway had always been known as the south-east car park. Brisbane met north roads are also heavily congested as there is no major arterial motorway heading in the north and north west direction. Sydney roads are also a nightmare to commute through if you have to be attending meetings and appointments. Canberra is a growing city, however, congestion has always been common in large global cities. Gungahlin is still a developing area. Some of the group centres are still being constructed, which contain employment opportunities.

I hope to see duplication of Horse Park Drive and Gundaroo Drive as they are major thoroughfares. Canberra should also have light rail or heavy rail. Canberra is one of the few cities of its size that does not have commuter railway.

switch switch 8:30 am 25 Mar 15

Leon said :

The biggest traffic problem on Flemington Road is NOT the single lane section on the approach to the Federal Highway, but that the intersection operates at only 75% capacity.

Here’s how it works:

There are two right-turn lanes into Northbourne Avenue, and the lights stay green longe enough for about 16 rows of cars (i.e. 32 cars).

BUT the second right-turn lane is only long enough to hold about rows of 8 cars. Once 8 rows of cars have gone through, the right hand lane stays empty because cars entering from the single lane can’t easily accelerate fast enough to fill both lanes. So instead of 32 cars getting through on the green signal, only 24 get through.

If the second right-turn lane was extended far enough back to accommodate another 8 rows of cars, the number of cars getting through on each green signal phase would increase by a third.

This is a problem common throughout the ACT. And there are far too many traffic lights, many on intersections that don’t need them at all, or only at peak times. Their unco-ordination is breathtaking. Don’t get me started on red arrows that no longer turn off, even though there is no more oncoming traffic.

Leon Leon 8:35 pm 24 Mar 15

The biggest traffic problem on Flemington Road is NOT the single lane section on the approach to the Federal Highway, but that the intersection operates at only 75% capacity.

Here’s how it works:

There are two right-turn lanes into Northbourne Avenue, and the lights stay green longe enough for about 16 rows of cars (i.e. 32 cars).

BUT the second right-turn lane is only long enough to hold about rows of 8 cars. Once 8 rows of cars have gone through, the right hand lane stays empty because cars entering from the single lane can’t easily accelerate fast enough to fill both lanes. So instead of 32 cars getting through on the green signal, only 24 get through.

If the second right-turn lane was extended far enough back to accommodate another 8 rows of cars, the number of cars getting through on each green signal phase would increase by a third.

Jardeath Jardeath 8:33 pm 24 Mar 15

AmarooStu said :

Below road infrastructure is not logical for one of “Australia’s fastest growing regions”;
* Horse Park Drive is only 1 lane
* Flemington Road is only 1 lane (outside EPIC)
* Gungahlin Drive is backed up to Palmerston due to poor traffic light phasing at Sandford Street / Well Station Drive. Spoken to RoadsACT who says “no change to phasing”

I completely agree with these points, can’t speak for the other roads as I haven’t used them. Flemington needs to be made at least 2 lanes rather than just the 1.

The lights and Sandford are also horrible for the Gungahlin drive traffic.

vintage123 vintage123 2:41 pm 24 Mar 15

AmarooStu said :

Sigh! Unless you leave around 715am, traffic is woeful trying to escape Gungahlin.

Below road infrastructure is not logical for one of “Australia’s fastest growing regions”;
* Horse Park Drive is only 1 lane
* Flemington Road is only 1 lane (outside EPIC)
* Gungahlin Drive is backed up to Palmerston due to poor traffic light phasing at Sandford Street / Well Station Drive. Spoken to RoadsACT who says “no change to phasing”
* Gundaroo Drive is only 1 lane leading up to the Barton Highway (apart from the roundabouts)
* Clarrie Hermes Drive is only 1 lane up to the Barton Highway

Meegan Fitzharris MLA kindly replied to a few Tweets a couple days ago – hope to hear of some progress.

http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/buyers-flock-to-new-gungahlin-suburbs-in-2014-20141220-128ti7.html

You have hit the nail on the head.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 1:53 pm 24 Mar 15

Once the tram is in place all your problems will be solved!

Rollersk8r Rollersk8r 1:23 pm 24 Mar 15

AmarooStu said :

Sigh! Unless you leave around 715am, traffic is woeful trying to escape Gungahlin.

Below road infrastructure is not logical for one of “Australia’s fastest growing regions”;
* Horse Park Drive is only 1 lane
* Flemington Road is only 1 lane (outside EPIC)
* Gungahlin Drive is backed up to Palmerston due to poor traffic light phasing at Sandford Street / Well Station Drive. Spoken to RoadsACT who says “no change to phasing”
* Gundaroo Drive is only 1 lane leading up to the Barton Highway (apart from the roundabouts)
* Clarrie Hermes Drive is only 1 lane up to the Barton Highway

Meegan Fitzharris MLA kindly replied to a few Tweets a couple days ago – hope to hear of some progress.

http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/buyers-flock-to-new-gungahlin-suburbs-in-2014-20141220-128ti7.html

Completely agree and I don’t live in Gungahlin! We have enough trouble just getting out of the ACT via Gundaroo and Horse Park Drive from Belconnen. It’s been a long time since they first mentioned the Barton Highway roundabout will be getting traffic lights too!

chewy14 chewy14 12:46 pm 24 Mar 15

“What measures will be put in place when the light rail gets underway?”

I’d suggest your woes going anywhere near Flemington Rd/Northbourne are not going to be fixed and indeed will likely become much worse. The tram will take up an entire lane and they will need to make the tram more attractive than driving for it to be viable. Hence spending large amounts on increasing the traffic capacity of these roads is unlikely.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 12:24 pm 24 Mar 15

Yes, well, don’t ignore the huge white elephant in the room. It would suit me if Horse Park Drive was widened to supplement the Majura ring road, but Gunghalin’s problem now is that the rest of Canberra is likely to have conniptions if further infrastructure expenditure is redirected to Gungahlin to make the Civic-bound roads in Gungahlin more attractive than the tram.

AmarooStu AmarooStu 11:54 am 24 Mar 15

Sigh! Unless you leave around 715am, traffic is woeful trying to escape Gungahlin.

Below road infrastructure is not logical for one of “Australia’s fastest growing regions”;
* Horse Park Drive is only 1 lane
* Flemington Road is only 1 lane (outside EPIC)
* Gungahlin Drive is backed up to Palmerston due to poor traffic light phasing at Sandford Street / Well Station Drive. Spoken to RoadsACT who says “no change to phasing”
* Gundaroo Drive is only 1 lane leading up to the Barton Highway (apart from the roundabouts)
* Clarrie Hermes Drive is only 1 lane up to the Barton Highway

Meegan Fitzharris MLA kindly replied to a few Tweets a couple days ago – hope to hear of some progress.

http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/buyers-flock-to-new-gungahlin-suburbs-in-2014-20141220-128ti7.html

watto23 watto23 11:28 am 24 Mar 15

I doubt the roads will be improved any time soon. In fact if the government spent money on roads and trams to Gungahlin I’d argue that that is really a big waste of money. So while Tuggeranong residents will complain about not getting a tram or a waste of money, it could be worse 🙂

That said everyone always wants everything. New block of land close to the city, then more roads and free parking. Its frustrating, but I get through my day knowing we are bucket loads better off than the average person.

Alexandra Craig Alexandra Craig 11:10 am 24 Mar 15

I know the feeling. When I first moved to Canberra I lived in Gungahlin. The commute to the Barton/Capital Hill area would sometimes take me 50 minutes and I was leaving earlyish with an aim to get to work by 7.30-7.45am. Although, this was before the GDE was finished so maybe it wouldn’t be as bad at that time of morning now. Flemington Road always took ages though. Then there’s the funhouse that is Northbourne Avenue.

JazzyJess JazzyJess 10:55 am 24 Mar 15

on a good day it takes me less than an hour to bus from Ngunnawal to the City. On a day like today, at least an hour and a quarter. Gungahlin is a prime example of poor planning and foresight.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 10:34 am 24 Mar 15

Canberra Planning at its finest!

Put up all the houses as far away as possible, then worry about how everyone is going to get around.

Even if Gungahlin had some employment opportunities, people will inevitably end up with a house in one place and work somewhere else. The roads are full of everyone trying to get somewhere else a long way away in a small city of 350,000.

It’s bad now, what happens when we reach 500,000 before too long, and there is even talking of hitting 900,000.

The planners are literally asleep at the wheel. I doubt any of them use public transport. They probably get government cars.

Bosworth Bosworth 9:48 am 24 Mar 15

the problem is that Gungahlin has no employment, so all the workers have to commute away in the morning, and commute home at night.

All the other town centres have employment, so there is less commuting.

it is also worse when it rains, when all the cyclists get scared of the water and drive to work.

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