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Halal certified – is it out of control and being forced onto our kids

By scoobydoo_1968 17 March 2014 196

So I find out by accident that Melrose High School is pushing Halal onto the students there.  Cooking a traditional Aussie breakfast but no bacon because that’s not allowed in the school kitchens, traditional Aussie breakfast is bacon and eggs so WTF is going on, and than the camp only has Halal certified foods.  So scripture, Easter hat parades, celebrating Christmas and birthdays is banned in case it offends some but the Halal way of life is enforced.  I am sick of not being able to be Australian in Australia and so are many other people, parents and kids at this school. what a joke this country has become

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louey86 11:06 am 05 Jul 17

For months I have been trying to purchase non-halal meat in Canberra but can’t find any. The butchers I have spoken to tell me that all meat from the abattoirs is now stamped as halal certified. If halal certified is now the norm, perhaps abattoirs in the area who do not halal certify should package meat with a “non-halal” label or stamp. This would make non-halal identification so much easier for those of us who do do not wish to buy halal certified meat.

dungfungus 2:02 pm 03 Apr 14

BimboGeek said :

I don’t understand how anyone can claim Islam is taking over Australia and yet not have any Muslim friends. There’s a whole bunch of “them” … Somewhere. Just waiting to take our bacon privileges away!!

In practice, as with most religions, your average Muslim is pretty casual despite whatever fire and brimstone appears in their book. Most restaurants or cafeterias don’t have a halal policy because most Muslims slip under the radar by ordering pescetarian. Occasionally someone will want to check whether a cake has alcohol in it or ask for fish to be grilled but usually they don’t make a fuss about the gelatine in their marshmallows or the beer batter on their fish n chips.

“In practice, as with most religions, your average Muslim is pretty casual……”
Yes, the parents of the 9/11 hijackers would have agreed with you.

BimboGeek 8:43 am 03 Apr 14

I don’t understand how anyone can claim Islam is taking over Australia and yet not have any Muslim friends. There’s a whole bunch of “them” … Somewhere. Just waiting to take our bacon privileges away!!

In practice, as with most religions, your average Muslim is pretty casual despite whatever fire and brimstone appears in their book. Most restaurants or cafeterias don’t have a halal policy because most Muslims slip under the radar by ordering pescetarian. Occasionally someone will want to check whether a cake has alcohol in it or ask for fish to be grilled but usually they don’t make a fuss about the gelatine in their marshmallows or the beer batter on their fish n chips.

IrishPete 7:41 pm 31 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

On WIN news tonight, two men shot and critically wounded during a robbery. All involved except the victims are middle-eastern men.
You can’t call that bigotry, surely.

The naivety of some people is astounding. Yes this story could be bigotry, if WIN News chose to broadcast it over some other story like, for example, the murder of someone whose hogtied semi-naked body was found in a public park. (I don’t grace WIN with my presence, so I don’t know if they did, nor what other incidents they may have chosen this one over.)

Also very convenient of you not to mention that the robbery victim has a very non-Anglo name (my guess is of Indian ethnicity, while the ethnicity of his companions is neither reported nor hinted at). So again my guess is that only the Good Samaritan neighbour is White. Perhaps you omitted this information that doesn’t suit our thesis that this was a “Middle Eastern on Anglo” incident?

And finally, from the ABC “Police earlier issue descriptions for two of the men being sought over the shooting, described as being of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance.”

But there’s no bigotry here folks, nothing to see, move along.

IP

I didn’t present the news; I was simply commenting on whether there was bigotry in the way it came across.
You appear to be very passionate about the subject and you appear to have researched the incident extensively.
So, let’s hear how you would have presented the story factually if you were the news editor. Be mindful that there are readers out there that will demand to be offended and humiliated and they will seek recourse. It’s another taxpayer funded industry.

I don’t understand your question. And I only have your account of WIN News to go on, and no offence mate, but I don’t trust your account any more than I trust WIN News whose job it is to sell advertising.

If you were “simply commenting on whether there was bigotry in the way it came across” then you did expressed yourself .clearly, because that’s not how it read.

Nor do I agree with your closing statement that offended people seeking recourse is a taxpayer funded industry – it is funded by the litigants themselves and if they are successful, the respondent. I suspect the courts are clogged up with rich people suing each for defamation other than poor people suing rich people. Probably quite a few rich people suing poor people too. If it were a taxpayer funded industry (e.g. if legal Aid were available to litigants and defendants unable to afford legal representation) I bet it would settle down very quickly, once the rich folk learned they could no longer bully the poor folk by using expensive lawyers.

I wonder who paid Andrew Bolt’s legal fees and fine – himself or his employer?

IP

IrishPete 7:33 pm 31 Mar 14

Nylex_Clock said :

dungfungus said :

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

Errrrr, you could try the ABS website. It has lots of other interesting stuff as well. It has the potential to entertain you for a couple of weeks. You might even learn something.

Please do try the website yourself DF. I look forward to you finding anything supporting your claim that reductions in crime are anything to do with a “Middle Eastern Crime Squad” (which is, I think, a NSW Police unit). The ABS publishes statistics, not analysis. For NSW analysis try the BOCSAR website, though I doubt you’ll find anything there either.

IP

Actually, it wasn’t my claim but I support it.

Really? Do you?

Surely IrishPete’s claim to the effect that the “Middle-Eastern Crime Squad” has solved zero crimes is entirely credible?

That would be a claim I did not make then? Paraphrasing something into something completely different isn’t actually paraphrasing. It’s something much more subjective and biased.

IP

dungfungus 9:28 pm 29 Mar 14

Nylex_Clock said :

dungfungus said :

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

Errrrr, you could try the ABS website. It has lots of other interesting stuff as well. It has the potential to entertain you for a couple of weeks. You might even learn something.

Please do try the website yourself DF. I look forward to you finding anything supporting your claim that reductions in crime are anything to do with a “Middle Eastern Crime Squad” (which is, I think, a NSW Police unit). The ABS publishes statistics, not analysis. For NSW analysis try the BOCSAR website, though I doubt you’ll find anything there either.

IP

Actually, it wasn’t my claim but I support it.

Really? Do you?

Surely IrishPete’s claim to the effect that the “Middle-Eastern Crime Squad” has solved zero crimes is entirely credible?

Ah, but how many crimes have they prevented?

Nylex_Clock 7:50 pm 29 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

Errrrr, you could try the ABS website. It has lots of other interesting stuff as well. It has the potential to entertain you for a couple of weeks. You might even learn something.

Please do try the website yourself DF. I look forward to you finding anything supporting your claim that reductions in crime are anything to do with a “Middle Eastern Crime Squad” (which is, I think, a NSW Police unit). The ABS publishes statistics, not analysis. For NSW analysis try the BOCSAR website, though I doubt you’ll find anything there either.

IP

Actually, it wasn’t my claim but I support it.

Really? Do you?

Surely IrishPete’s claim to the effect that the “Middle-Eastern Crime Squad” has solved zero crimes is entirely credible?

dungfungus 4:13 pm 29 Mar 14

AngloCeltic1788 said :

Theboss said :

Melrose High School is proud to have a strong tradition of being supportive and inclusive of all students, and we cater for students with a diverse range of social, emotional, cultural and learning needs. Supporting students to develop an understanding of healthy eating options is integrated with the development of empathy and comprehension of some of the limitations other members of our community may face. These include but are not limited to understanding food allergies, food group classification and dietary requirements within cultural conventions. We choose not to discriminate or stigmatise any student, and seek to provide universally accepted health promoting programs throughout our curriculum and the canteen. For the record Melrose High School does not have a Halal Policy but we do have a Heath Policy developed in conjunction with Nutrition Australia. Feel free to approach me directly if you need further clarification.
George Palavestra (Principal Melrose High School)

I’ve contacted you directly, and you have not responded. I’m left with communicating via this forum. It is a simple issue. Does such a thing as a camp menu exist? If so, where can a copy of that menu be viewed or obtained?

He is probably on stress leave by now.

dungfungus 11:06 am 29 Mar 14

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

Errrrr, you could try the ABS website. It has lots of other interesting stuff as well. It has the potential to entertain you for a couple of weeks. You might even learn something.

Please do try the website yourself DF. I look forward to you finding anything supporting your claim that reductions in crime are anything to do with a “Middle Eastern Crime Squad” (which is, I think, a NSW Police unit). The ABS publishes statistics, not analysis. For NSW analysis try the BOCSAR website, though I doubt you’ll find anything there either.

IP

Actually, it wasn’t my claim but I support it.

AngloCeltic1788 11:05 am 29 Mar 14

Theboss said :

Melrose High School is proud to have a strong tradition of being supportive and inclusive of all students, and we cater for students with a diverse range of social, emotional, cultural and learning needs. Supporting students to develop an understanding of healthy eating options is integrated with the development of empathy and comprehension of some of the limitations other members of our community may face. These include but are not limited to understanding food allergies, food group classification and dietary requirements within cultural conventions. We choose not to discriminate or stigmatise any student, and seek to provide universally accepted health promoting programs throughout our curriculum and the canteen. For the record Melrose High School does not have a Halal Policy but we do have a Heath Policy developed in conjunction with Nutrition Australia. Feel free to approach me directly if you need further clarification.
George Palavestra (Principal Melrose High School)

I’ve contacted you directly, and you have not responded. I’m left with communicating via this forum. It is a simple issue. Does such a thing as a camp menu exist? If so, where can a copy of that menu be viewed or obtained?

dungfungus 11:01 am 29 Mar 14

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

On WIN news tonight, two men shot and critically wounded during a robbery. All involved except the victims are middle-eastern men.
You can’t call that bigotry, surely.

The naivety of some people is astounding. Yes this story could be bigotry, if WIN News chose to broadcast it over some other story like, for example, the murder of someone whose hogtied semi-naked body was found in a public park. (I don’t grace WIN with my presence, so I don’t know if they did, nor what other incidents they may have chosen this one over.)

Also very convenient of you not to mention that the robbery victim has a very non-Anglo name (my guess is of Indian ethnicity, while the ethnicity of his companions is neither reported nor hinted at). So again my guess is that only the Good Samaritan neighbour is White. Perhaps you omitted this information that doesn’t suit our thesis that this was a “Middle Eastern on Anglo” incident?

And finally, from the ABC “Police earlier issue descriptions for two of the men being sought over the shooting, described as being of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance.”

But there’s no bigotry here folks, nothing to see, move along.

IP

I didn’t present the news; I was simply commenting on whether there was bigotry in the way it came across.
You appear to be very passionate about the subject and you appear to have researched the incident extensively.
So, let’s hear how you would have presented the story factually if you were the news editor. Be mindful that there are readers out there that will demand to be offended and humiliated and they will seek recourse. It’s another taxpayer funded industry.

Walker 11:55 pm 28 Mar 14

colourful sydney racing identity said :

In other news, white catholic priests rape children.

Criminals *unnecessarily* specified by race in major headlines? What a concept.

Stevian 1:05 pm 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Jim Jones said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Nylex_Clock said :

howeph said :

dungfungus said :

“The ABS has just reported that net overseas migration to Australia (inflows less outflows of people) has outpaced natural increase (births less deaths) as a driver of Australia’s population each year since 2006. Now there are 5.3 million migrants in the country, representing just over a quarter (26 per cent) of the population. Of the rich OECD nations, only Luxembourg (42 per cent), Israel (31 per cent) and Switzerland (28 per cent) have bigger migrant populations.

Over the year to June 2013, Australia’s population rose by 407,000 or 1.79 per cent – the fastest population growth in around 3½ years, but below the 2.19 per cent growth pace in calendar 2008 (fastest in around 40 years).”

It’s time to bring down the shutters (my comment)

And yet the ABS statistics also show crime rates are decreasing…

.

You can thank the “Middle-Eastern Crime Squad” for the reduction in crime.

Source?

“People do have a right to be bigots you know” – Sen. George Brandis

On WIN news tonight, two men shot and critically wounded during a robbery. All involved except the victims are middle-eastern men.
You can’t call that bigotry, surely.

One event? That’s all you’ve got?

IrishPete 11:45 am 28 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

On WIN news tonight, two men shot and critically wounded during a robbery. All involved except the victims are middle-eastern men.
You can’t call that bigotry, surely.

The naivety of some people is astounding. Yes this story could be bigotry, if WIN News chose to broadcast it over some other story like, for example, the murder of someone whose hogtied semi-naked body was found in a public park. (I don’t grace WIN with my presence, so I don’t know if they did, nor what other incidents they may have chosen this one over.)

Also very convenient of you not to mention that the robbery victim has a very non-Anglo name (my guess is of Indian ethnicity, while the ethnicity of his companions is neither reported nor hinted at). So again my guess is that only the Good Samaritan neighbour is White. Perhaps you omitted this information that doesn’t suit our thesis that this was a “Middle Eastern on Anglo” incident?

And finally, from the ABC “Police earlier issue descriptions for two of the men being sought over the shooting, described as being of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance.”

But there’s no bigotry here folks, nothing to see, move along.

IP

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