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Hargreaves kills fireworks now

By johnboy 24 August 2009 161

[First filed: August 24, 2009 @ 11:49]

John Hargreaves has announced that, having last week murdered the Fringe Festival, he’s killing off Queen’s Birthday fireworks.

Some days it seems as if the man gets up in the morning devoted to making Canberra a worse place to live.

He is offering an amnesty for any of the now illegal fireworks you might have cached:

    “The Government understands that many Canberrans may still have fireworks that were bought legally on previous Queen’s Birthday long weekends. We will be encouraging people to do the right thing and hand in any stored fireworks for safe disposal without any questions asked, Mr Hargreaves said.

    The ‘hand-in’ will commence on Saturday 29 August and operate for the following three weekends. Details of the ‘hand-in’ arrangements are available at www.ors.act.gov.au. The ‘hand-in’does not involve compensation for surrendered fireworks. Mr Hargreaves stressed that people will be liable for prosecution if caught with consumer fireworks following the ‘hand-in’period.

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Jim Jones 9:23 am 04 Sep 09

TheObserver said :

I agree with Ivan76 – For mine, if your pooch can’t stand loud noises and bright etc then there are precautions you can take

I suggest you talk to people who work at the RSPCA. Last cracker night they had such cases as a dog that broke most of his teeth because he was trying to bite through his cage to escape the sounds of fireworks.

Oh, but ‘your dog’ is fine, so everyone else must be just complaining for no reason, right?

I must admit that I struggle with accepting you as a decent pet owner if your response to animals in distress is the throwaway line: ‘look after them better’.

TheObserver said :

As for the big letter boxes – I can tell you straight that legally bought fireworks would not, unless you spent about $300 and then a couple of days taking them apart, make a device that would do that level of damage – sorry, not possible.

Utter bollocks. I’ve seen legal fireworks repackaged to take apart a solid brick letterbox with a steel core (and taken part). I’m quite glad that you can’t figure out how to do it, but it’s really not that hard.

Ivan76 2:52 am 04 Sep 09

Dougal said :

Ivan76 said :

Clown killer even my dog would disagree with you on that one.

Sure he gets excited when he hears a loud noise & just like any guard dog would but he looks to me first to see if its worth barking or not. The QB weekend is not hard to manage dogs being startled you just have to be there when it starts & until it gets used to the noise.

If your dog tries you smash through windows & chew through walls then perhaps you should give it to someone who is prepared to look after it because clearly, you aren’t capable.

Its called teaching your dog to let the world go by. Breeds differ and you may need to spend more time with some than others & if you have neglected your dog you may need to reestablish trust before you can train it but its never too late.

There’s books about it & perhaps you might want to read up before posting again on this subject.

What a load. Not all dogs are the same, some ARE terrified of firecrackers, and trying to train a frightened dog not to be frigthened of something that is assaulting their senses probably involves punishing them.

Dogs do of course need socialisation. You’re certainly taking liberties assuming that clown killer is not capable of owning a dog. Perhaps with these ‘training’ methods you speak of, I could train you not to flinch if I threw sand in your eyes? Or you could keep calm while your hand is held on a hotplate? Firecrackers can be painful for dogs.

Maybe your dog just can’t hear all that well?

No Dougal, I was being just as hypothetical as she was. Speaking of taking liberties, you seem to have gone to town in assuming that I abuse my dog. You can meet him if you like, we walk around Lake Ginninderra every Saturday & Sunday at around 3:30pm (weather permitting of course). He’s a tan & white Red Healer x Bull Terrier (no,,, not a Pitt Bull) and I’m the 6″2 solid built bloke that will be walking him.

Incidentally, there is sand & hotplates there;-) Ill be on the lookout for a Where’s Wally\Eugene Tackleberry type character hiding behind a BBQ shall I?

Just Google dogs & fireworks yourself, there’s heaps of sites dedicated to this subject and you can select a method that suits, all of which will have one thing in common and that is that you have to spend time with your dog.

Also, thanks for your concern about my dogs hearing. He’s just had his anual checkup and is doing great, NO hearing problems, actually for a 10yo he’s doing remarkable according to the vet. Must be because someone spends time with him…

Spideydog 5:05 pm 01 Sep 09

James-T-Kirk said :

Do the policing to prevent the crimes, don’t hassle the community because you couldn’t be bothered to do the policing properly!

Are you prepared to pay the significant tax hike to pay for a police officer on every street corner to do the policing your expecting ……. or perhaps live in a police state ??

The community needs to “own” the problem and not sit back, point a finger and say “you should do a better job” There is only so much policing can do, without turning into a gestapo…….

The majority of the community did the right thing with fireworks, a small section of the community continually stuffed it despite the annual warnings that crackers would go. I loved crackers, but it was ruined by w#%%^rs. No one else to blame but themselves.

Jim Jones 3:57 pm 01 Sep 09

Clown Killer said :

Is it fun watching douche bags get their panties all in a knot about it? Hell yeah!

You’ve just defined the entire debate very concisely.

Clown Killer 2:54 pm 01 Sep 09

The whole exploding mail-box thing is little more than a simple distraction – I has little to do with the reason fireworks were banned (although it’s fun to watch folk get themselves worked up into a lather about it as if it really mattered).

Fireworks were banned because there were simply too many dickheads who were incapable of using them legally. People were setting them off outside of the prescribed times and dates and not at the address prescribed on the permit. Every year there were warnings that the community had to improve its act and every year there were enough a-holes who just didn’t give a toss.

Am I sad to see them go? Yes. Do I really give a sh!t? No. Is it fun watching douche bags get their panties all in a knot about it? Hell yeah!

Digga 1:07 pm 01 Sep 09

Can we re-arrange the order of the words in this post’s title? Perhaps switch Hargreaves and fireworks.

TheObserver 12:54 pm 01 Sep 09

vg the point is pretty clear, you are being obtuse. Most kids who dismantle crackers to make a bunger would take apart two or three of these things at most – not enough to do a metal box, but make a reasonable penny bunger. The logic is therefore that most people would not spend the hundreds of dollars to blow up one letterbox – but the disingenuous reasons is that the legally bought ones are the ones responsible. I do not accept that to be the case – particularly given the consistency of results being obtained with the Aussie Post boxes.

Be a simpleton and a sheep and believe what the Forces of Dullness tell you – but I’ll stick to what I believe (and what I know from my own experience with explosives as a former qualified user).

James T Kirk – good points. You forgot the Diggers Caustic Soda, tin foil and a beer bottle……

James-T-Kirk 11:19 am 01 Sep 09

vg said :

“As for the big letter boxes – I can tell you straight that legally bought fireworks would not, unless you spent about $300 and then a couple of days taking them apart, make a device that would do that level of damage – sorry, not possible.”

So what you’re actually saying is that legally obtained fireworks CAN in fact cause the said damage. Sorry, IS possible

So can a cup of pool chlorine from Woollies, and some brake fluid (also from Woolies). Or any combination of dozzens of other trivial chemicals.. But we don’t see those items being banned? Do the policing to prevent the crimes, don’t hassle the community because you couldn’t be bothered to do the policing properly!

vg 7:00 am 01 Sep 09

“As for the big letter boxes – I can tell you straight that legally bought fireworks would not, unless you spent about $300 and then a couple of days taking them apart, make a device that would do that level of damage – sorry, not possible.”

So what you’re actually saying is that legally obtained fireworks CAN in fact cause the said damage. Sorry, IS possible

Pandy 11:46 pm 31 Aug 09

Who cares. they are gone. Move along nothing to see here folks.

Whatsup 6:14 pm 31 Aug 09

TheObserver said :

As for the big letter boxes – I can tell you straight that legally bought fireworks would not, unless you spent about $300 and then a couple of days taking them apart, make a device that would do that level of damage – sorry, not possible.

That’s it, call the Mythbusters.

TheObserver 5:18 pm 31 Aug 09

I agree with Ivan76 – For mine, if your pooch can’t stand loud noises and bright etc then there are precautions you can take which include having them in a darkened room, curtains shut etc and, Oh Yeah – spend the time with them. Honestly, all these people who carry on about dogs escaping during cracker night well, were they secured properly – or are we back on the deal that no-one takes responsibility. For the record I have a dog who is utterly unbothered by crackers, because even though we let them off, she is with us and is reassured. Take home people – worried about your animals at that time of year? Look after them better.

As for the big letter boxes – I can tell you straight that legally bought fireworks would not, unless you spent about $300 and then a couple of days taking them apart, make a device that would do that level of damage – sorry, not possible. What is causing that damage are fireworks not generally available to the public – so there is under the counter dealing going on. Why is this not policed? Why have there been no convictions?

Final point, anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that the “amnesty” is one big damp squib – a bit like Hargreaves, for mine.

Hells_Bells74 11:03 am 30 Aug 09

I’m kinda glad they’re gone too but I do feel for my mum and partner who have a maxi family pack they didn’t get to use because they didn’t get to where they were going that weekend sitting there and mum said “oh that’s okay, we’ll use ’em next year” oh well, that’s how it goes I spose!

miz 9:49 am 30 Aug 09

When I heard this, my reaction was ‘hooray – finally’. Bronto’s comments, +1.

Mr Hargreaves may have made some mistakes but this one is NOT one of them.

Clown Killer 5:33 pm 29 Aug 09

If your dog tries you smash through windows & chew through walls then perhaps you should give it to someone who is prepared to look after it because clearly, you aren’t capable.

My dog is fine and has no problems with fireworks whatsoever. But being a sensible realist I’m not so full of my own sh!t to actually believe that his ambivalence to the could have anything to do with the way I have raised or care for him.

The fact that Canberra vets and the RSPCA have to treat dogs who have ripped their teeth out trying gnaw through a colour-bond fence to escape or smashed through windows is a result of the abject terror of these animals caused by fireworks. To be honest I don’t really care one way or another – but I’d be more inclined to believe a vet interviewed on the radio who speaks with authority than someone talking out of their ar$e.

As I have posted in this thread before – fireworks were fun while they lasted, but given that so many people were incapable of using them responsibly (and by that I mean within the conditions prescribed on the binding permit required to purchase them), then I have no problem whatsoever with the ban. If you don’t like it if guess that it must be HTFU time.

Dougal 5:13 pm 29 Aug 09

Clown Killer said :

Anybody who believes that it is possible to train a dog to not be scared of fireworks is, quite simply and idiot. Whilst it is possible to believe that anything you have done has contributed to the animals absence of fear, the reality is that some dogs are fearful and others are not.

Hunting breeds like Labradors, pointers and the like are less or unlikely to be fearful but even then it can be a lottery.

Reactions will range from a bit of barking to abject terror. At the most extreme end there’s almost nothing that an owner can do to alleviate the distress with dogs smashing through windows and trying to chew through doors and walls (breaking or ripping out their teeth in the process) to escape.

+1

Dougal 5:12 pm 29 Aug 09

Ivan76 said :

Clown killer even my dog would disagree with you on that one.

Sure he gets excited when he hears a loud noise & just like any guard dog would but he looks to me first to see if its worth barking or not. The QB weekend is not hard to manage dogs being startled you just have to be there when it starts & until it gets used to the noise.

If your dog tries you smash through windows & chew through walls then perhaps you should give it to someone who is prepared to look after it because clearly, you aren’t capable.

Its called teaching your dog to let the world go by. Breeds differ and you may need to spend more time with some than others & if you have neglected your dog you may need to reestablish trust before you can train it but its never too late.

There’s books about it & perhaps you might want to read up before posting again on this subject.

What a load. Not all dogs are the same, some ARE terrified of firecrackers, and trying to train a frightened dog not to be frigthened of something that is assaulting their senses probably involves punishing them.

Dogs do of course need socialisation. You’re certainly taking liberties assuming that clown killer is not capable of owning a dog. Perhaps with these ‘training’ methods you speak of, I could train you not to flinch if I threw sand in your eyes? Or you could keep calm while your hand is held on a hotplate? Firecrackers can be painful for dogs.

Maybe your dog just can’t hear all that well?

BerraBoy68 3:09 pm 29 Aug 09

Clown Killer said :

… the reality is that some dogs are fearful and others are not.

Hunting breeds like Labradors, pointers and the like are less or unlikely to be fearful but even then it can be a lottery.

This probably explains my dogs total ambivalence to cracker night. He just goes to sleep. What hurt his ears though and drives him mad is the sound of police, fire and ambulance sirens. Judging by the horrendous noise the local dog populace makes when one or several goes by he’s not alone. The animal right activists never consider this ‘cruelty’ in their protests though so I’m assuming that in this case they beleive animals must suffer for the greater human good?

Ivan76 2:38 pm 29 Aug 09

Clown killer even my dog would disagree with you on that one.

Sure he gets excited when he hears a loud noise & just like any guard dog would but he looks to me first to see if its worth barking or not. The QB weekend is not hard to manage dogs being startled you just have to be there when it starts & until it gets used to the noise.

If your dog tries you smash through windows & chew through walls then perhaps you should give it to someone who is prepared to look after it because clearly, you aren’t capable.

Its called teaching your dog to let the world go by. Breeds differ and you may need to spend more time with some than others & if you have neglected your dog you may need to reestablish trust before you can train it but its never too late.

There’s books about it & perhaps you might want to read up before posting again on this subject.

BerraBoy68 2:10 pm 29 Aug 09

I enjoy fireworks nights and will be sad to see them go. The nighbours, families from school typically come round to our place and we have a great night.

VG – It’s not that they mean so much to us that we have no lives, just that again that the idiot minority have ruined a fun outing for the law abiding majority. Only 3 weeks ago I brought my kids home from Kambah Oval as three blokes decided to set off a heap of crackers with their kids at 3pm in the afternoon. One of the people I was with called the police who, turned up 30 minutes later, did a u-turn in the car park and left without even approaching he idiots concerned. And this was despite being given a damned good description of the offenders, these people still being at the oval and less than 20meters from where the police car drove past (we could see them from my house) and the remains of the crackers being left exactly where they were set off where this group were kicking a ball around. And we wonder why no-one ever gets charged with setting them off outside prescribed times.

Now, I’m a huge fan of the police but we were left disappointed on this occassion.

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