31 May 2005

Hatchet Job

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When I came into work yesterday and heard this my first thought was that two people are lucky to be breathing today. Basically a ACT policeman assisting NSW police after a chase crossed over into their jurisdiction was “allegedly” attacked by an offender with a tomahawk with the officer suffering a deep laceration to his hand and a blow to the head. That sort of weapon could have easily taken his hand off. A clean blow to his head would have been the end of him.

The “alleged” offender on the other hand is lucky he wasn’t shot.

ED – Special G also posted the following in relation to the same incident:

Canberra’s Finest [Tomohawk Mayhem!]

It was reported on the TV yesterday of a pursuit which ended in Queanbeyan and an AFP officer being injured with cuts to head and hand.

After being attacked by an offender wielding a Tomahawk and a Knife the officer still chased down the offender and apprehended him with the assistance of his partner and NSW Police.

Love your work.

G

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VG, my point (which is in topic) is that the doctrine of hot pursuit does exist in australia, is part of common law, and would apply in this case.

Now if it has been expunged by specific legislation then that’s fine. Can you tell me where/when this was done because I’m not aware of it?

Thumper your last sentence says it all, lol!

Canberra_unsung_hero4:57 pm 02 Jun 05

Australia’s first Aircraft Carrier was HMAS Albatross.

All right ‘Onward’ and all that…

Senior Service as applicable in CURRENT military regulations is the Navy, I’ll concede that much, only place it’s of any use though is a parade ground and I never did much like going on them.

If it was based on personnel size, amount of criminal records, or amount of times the RSPCA has had to rescue cats from Townsville bases, then it would obviously be Army, but as I mentioned before the only thing it’s gonna get you is onto the parade ground first.

As for the comment The Navy has traditions, the Army has customs, and the Air Force has habits, the Air Farce doesn’t have habits, they have hairstyles…

I think the saying has been around as long as the RAAF has. I worked tri service, and it was posted around all over the place.

RAN: Senior but least effective service.

Canberra_unsung_hero12:46 pm 02 Jun 05

Australia’s first submarine was the AE1.

Remember I said it was my little saying LG. The first real service, the senior service as it is known, is the navy

Canberra_unsung_hero10:56 am 02 Jun 05

Somebody call in the Marines !!

Wrong VG, it said “the Air Force has BAD habits”. I used to have it on my fridge…..

No, my arse wasn’t hairy enough 😉

My favourite little inter-service rivalry banter went somewhat like this

The Navy has traditions, the Army has customs, and the Air Force has habits

Ah, VG is ex RAN. Explains a lot…….

LG, keeping the inter servicer rivalry alive and well, because she has Sweet FA else to do today……

OK JB, next time we chase someone across the border from ACT to NSW in a battleship then I’ll give you a ring for some advice. The dosctrine of hot pursuit has NO RELEVANCE whatsoever in this instance.

Please try staying on topic instead of relying on maritime law to try and make a silly point.

Staggering ignorance and unchecked authority, oh puhleezz!!! Its the 21st century, if I was like that I would not have gone as far as I have. While we’re at it would you like to apply the maritime law regarding wrecks to shooping trollies found at the bottom of LBG?

There is no doctrine of hot pursuit as it relates to the situation you are talking of here, but thanks for reminding me of the extensive time I spent in the RAN before my current job. I can point to a specific situation which invalidates this one, this situation refers to something that happened between Canberra and Queanbeyan, not chasing someone illegally fishing for Patagonian toothfish in Australian Territorial waters.

Settle down a bit champ and leave the personal barbs to people of lesser intelligence than yourself

Of VG you are an ignorant prick for someone with such authority in the community.

frankly what you represent (staggering ignorance and unchecked authority) is terrifying.

Google has a fair start but it’s part of common law which the RAN relies on its own affairs (chasing fishing boats mostly). If you can point to a specific part of Australian law which invalidates this WELL KNOWN part of common law then i’d be happy to concede the point but as you seem to be ignorant of it’s existance I won’t hold my breathe.

What doctrine of hot pursuit? No such animal. If the miscreant crosses the border between 2 states you can’t lawfully continue a pursuit unless you have special constable status. A citizen may make an arrest, but they can’t pursue someone in a car

Forget special constable status.

Under the doctrine of hot pursuit you can cross national boundaries and still make an arrest.

4 members of society with questionable scruples, driving around in the early morning with knives, tomahawks and balaclavas. Who knows?

ALLEGEDLY they didn’t stop to Police directions. I can tell you where the newspapers can put their allegedly.

G

So is there any info on what this lot were actually doing or planning on doing?

Have found an article that covers the story.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15452941-1702,00.html

G

Including himself.

Kudos!!

Wasn’t there so don’t know but I can only suggest that the officers involved must have done a good job to de-escalate the incident with out anyone ending up on a slab

No, not powerless. Most ACT police are “special constables” giving them powers in NSW as per your HWP example.

POA – centre of seen mass
why wasn’t he shot?

Once they cross over into NSW, aren’t the AFP out of their jurisdiction (i.e. powerless)?

One exception I know of is that some NSW HWP have special privledges to chase people over their nearest state border.

Occasionally you see Queanbeyan HWP driving through Canberra along the Barton Highway. I often wonder what would happen if you popped a burnout in front of them.

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