Here we go again – The Clea Rose inquest commences

johnboy 8 May 2007 101

The ABC reports that the coronial inquest into the death of Clea Rose has begun.

No surprises so far.

UPDATED: The Canberra Times reports that the coroner, Karen Fryar, promised the Rose family in writing that her investigating officers would not be the same police who conducted the investigation into the accident. This is not the case.

With the transparency we’ve come to expect from the AFP, the Rose family’s counsel was then shut down by counsel representing the police involved in the chase.


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Mr Evil Mr Evil 4:18 pm 08 May 07

Still, nevertheless it may have played a part in her death.

If you are crossing the road and you hear a car approaching at high speed, wouldn’t you possibly have more opportunity to take evasive action if you are sober than if you are under the influence of alcohol?

caf caf 3:44 pm 08 May 07

I don’t think it would be particularly hard to get to that, if the drink-driving ads are to be believed then an average adult female would be twice the limit after two standard drinks within an hour – eg a single large glass of wine.

jenna jenna 3:43 pm 08 May 07

She may have been struck from behind, anyway her blood alcohol is irrelevant as she wasn’t driving a vehicle.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 3:12 pm 08 May 07

Clea’s blood alcohol limit may have played a part in her reactions being so impaired that she would have no chance to avoid being struck.

johnboy johnboy 3:01 pm 08 May 07

I wondered if putting it about wasn’t payback to the Rose family for asking questions the police have made very clear they don’t want to answer.

Danman Danman 2:58 pm 08 May 07

I heard on WIN News that Clea’s blood alcohol reading was twice the legal limit; does anyone know if this is true?

Dunno why they bothered mentioning this…would not have changed the outcome…

seepi seepi 2:33 pm 08 May 07

I can understand why the parents want an inquest, and I don’t mind them getting one. Of course they can’t just get over it.

Is it possible for the inquest to delve into the release on bail of the manslaughterer, or is it purely related to the car chase itself?

johnboy johnboy 2:24 pm 08 May 07

There’s a legal limit to walking in Civic?

Mr Evil Mr Evil 2:22 pm 08 May 07

I heard on WIN News that Clea’s blood alcohol reading was twice the legal limit; does anyone know if this is true?

DuffyMum DuffyMum 2:02 pm 08 May 07

And for the record I have lost a family member to an accident not too unlike this one but many years ago interstate.

We never got over it but had to get through it in order to move on.

jenna jenna 1:56 pm 08 May 07

Point(s) taken. I acknowledge that the majority of p-platers are good drivers.

My main point was in the length of time it takes for these legalities to come about. It just draws the process out and makes it difficult for people to move on.
Unofortunately when a child dies, a parent needs to know why, and in the case of a death such as this an inquest is a necessary evil particularly if something comes out of it to prevent similar tragedies in the future.
Very Good – these parents are going to relive the tragedy of their child death for the rest of their lives. That is unavoidable and part of their grief process.
Pandy – parents never “get over” a childs death, but eventually they learn to live with it.
Telling a grieving person who has lost a loved one to get over it is an insult to their loved one’s memory. In effect, they are being told that that loved one didn’t matter, was insignificant. That is unfair!

DuffyMum DuffyMum 12:56 pm 08 May 07

I don’t want this to sound harsh but I really do wish that Clea’s family would stop with all these inquests, etc, and move on with their lives. Nothing will bring her back.

Heck, events like these sadly happen far too frequently (remembering the tragic smash and resulting fatality in Woden late last year for one) but never do we hear of so many “actions” to supposedly get to the truth. What is so special about this particular case?

Look, if an idiot (an under-aged and unlicensed one at that) steals a car, the public expects the police to apprehend the idiot. This was exactly what the police were doing when sadly Clea got caught in the middle of it. If the police had just let this idiot drive away the public would be jumping up and down saying that they weren’t doing their job. And what sort of message does this send to those idiots out there that think they might break the law? Of course this – we can do what we want because the police won’t do anything.

I am very sorry for Clea’s family but I think it’s time to move on.

blingblingbears blingblingbears 10:20 am 08 May 07

I hate to say it too, but crime happens everywhere all the time. This was not an avoidable tragedy. We actually have things pretty good here in little Canberra. So just be grateful that we dont have crime as bad as New York or elsewhere in the US.

shauno shauno 8:45 am 08 May 07

Idiot steals car then is involved in a car chase. Unfortunately runs over and kills an innocent bystander.
Well sad to say this sort of thing happens all over the world, its just a fact of life accidents and tragedies happen. Its not like its a daily event people really need to just get over this one and move on.

Pandy Pandy 7:16 am 08 May 07

The parents should get over it and move on.

el el 10:37 pm 07 May 07

Indeed. Bans/performance restrictions for P-Platers seem rather irrelevant given:

– The driver of the car was 15.

– The car was stolen anyway

– The car wasn’t a ‘high performance vehicle’ IIRC.

And as far as this goes:

yet only now do we have an inquest where it can be assumed some direction will be given to the punishment for the persons responsible for this tragedy

Er, no. The driver was sentenced 31/1/06
(Cite: http://the-riotact.com/?p=1929 ) .

He’ll likely be free in a few months time.

Very Good Very Good 10:02 pm 07 May 07

Wow Jenna. Maybe if the family hadn’t called in favours all round town to get this inquest up and running they wouldn’t have to ‘relive the tragedy’ of her death.

bighead bighead 7:20 pm 07 May 07

Personally I think that quite a high majority of P-Platers are fine at driving. They drive sensibly and don’t do idiotic things. It’s just a small minority that do idiotic things that make everyone else look bad.

johnboy johnboy 5:30 pm 07 May 07

P-Platers?

Leave the poor P-Platers out of it, they’re one group completely and utterly blameless here. These toerags didn’t even have their P-Plates IIRC.

jenna jenna 5:13 pm 07 May 07

The family of this poor unfortunate young woman will once again have the tragic circumstances of this avoidable death brought up again publicly. Many reasons will be given for this tragedy, but where will the solutions be?

P-platers, young people with nothing to do, criminal behaviour of the young, police chases – all these will become fodder for discussions in the media and forums such as this.

We need to look at how we improve the driving records of p-platers. Do we improve the driving instructions, raise the age, ban high performance vehicles.

As for the criminal behaviour of some of these young people – do we blame the parents, school system, society? Are they like this because parenting has lost the boundary setting lessons of the past, or performed by those too young to be parents? Has society become too caught up in the rights of everyone with none of the responsibility for ones actions.

Another issue is that of young people ( and old, for that matter) who commit crimes. Do they experience the consequences for those actions in a timely. It seems that they do not. A lot of time has elapsed since that terrible night when Clea lost her life and yet only now do we have an inquest where it can be assumed some direction will be given to the punishment for the persons responsible for this tragedy. Not only this event, but it seems the courts are so clogged that no defendant is guaranteed a speedy trial, and the victims – well, do they ever get justice?

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