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How are we paying for light rail in Canberra?

By Damien Haas 8 October 2016 126

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Since 2012 we have seen almost every action and decision of the ACT Government linked to light rail by opponents of better public transport. They see light rail behind every government decision and spending announcement. It’s a deceptive, shallow and misleading campaign that the public is tired of.

My intention in stepping through the economic arguments in this article is to assure you that the big numbers are not scary numbers, that the Territory is in a position to afford light rail, that you are paying for light rail in the same way as you pay for any other public service provided by the government, and that your rates are not increasing to pay for light rail.

Neglecting road and public transport in Gungahlin 20 years ago has had negative impacts on Canberra today. Northbourne Avenue is still Canberra’s most congested road, despite Majura Parkway and the GDE being built.

Stage One of Canberra’s light rail network is now underway. The long suffering residents of Gungahlin and north Canberra that endure road congestion and jam-packed ACTION buses can travel past light rail construction and know that a better alternative to driving and parking every day, or riding in sardine packed bus (if it doesn’t drive past them already full), is on schedule to commence in 2018.

Despite this overwhelmingly obvious need for improved public transport, the community has been subjected to increasingly shrill and unbalanced arguments from opponents of public transport. Many of the arguments against light rail are focussed on the economics.

The economic claims fall into several broad categories: that the costs don’t ‘stack up’, light rail is unaffordable, the money could be spent elsewhere (with health and education the key areas), and too much money is being spent in Gungahlin to benefit too few people. Then there is the claim that rates are rising to pay for light rail.

Let’s examine these various claims one by one.

The ACT Budget papers for 2016/2017 show that health, education and disability services are 56% of the total budget, and public transport only 4%. Light rail was allocated 0.4% of the budget, to pay for the Capital Metro Agency. A contract for the construction and operation of light rail stage one was signed in 2016. We now know that the cost of light rail will be $65 million a year for 20 years.

The $65 million a year cost for light rail does ‘stack up’. Public transport is a service delivered by the government in the same way as it delivers health services, educates our children and collects our rubbish. We pay for all these services, even if we don’t use them.

We don’t ask students to pay for their education (although their parents can choose private schools), we don’t ask those who can’t pay for money before medical treatment (although they can privately insure or use private medical facilities), and we don’t charge the blind or the elderly the full cost of a bus ride.

The reason we don’t do this is that there are public expectations that the money used by the government on our behalf will be expended equitably. In areas that may never benefit us directly. As Canberra expands and grows to half a million residents, we need to provide support for that growth and manage it so it doesn’t negatively impact us directly or indirectly. Public transport is no different, and light rail is no different.

Why is it important that the costs ‘stack up’? If we want public transport to be profitable, we need to insist the government charge the full cost of every trip to every bus passenger, and dramatically reduce the salaries the ACTION workforce enjoys. It is unlikely that either side of politics would adopt this view.

The real question is – what are the costs of not having public transport? The community accept that public transport needs to be provided as it benefits all sectors of society and the cost of not providing public transport would lead to massive road congestion. Those buses that take your children to school, or ferry you from Floriade and Raiders games, would still need to be provided for in some way.

Privatising ACTION would not bring about any budget joy as the public would still have expectations such as subsidised school fares, concessions for pensioners and health care card holders.

Political realities would dictate government subsidies to private operators to perform services in areas where the private operator would not be able to profitably operate a route.

Because we demand certain concessions for different sectors of society, public transport may never be profitable. Is this wrong? The cost of public transport is the same as any other service that we expect the government to deliver. This is the reality of all public transport services across Australia.

The main focus should be on delivering public transport in the most efficient way, in cost and service delivery.

The fare box of ACTION Buses provides only 20% of its funding, and that amount has been declining as patronage declines. If we want that revenue to increase, it needs to come from full fare paying adult passengers that commute every day. Light rail is a proven way to increase public transport patronage. This has been recently demonstrated by Gold Coast light rail.

Light rail is proven to attract and increase public transport patronage, and is cheaper to operate over the longer term than buses. When a truly integrated public transport system exists, public transport use rises and road congestion decreases. In Canberra, public transport use has decreased and road congestion increased. Buses alone cannot serve our current or future public transport needs.

The other claim of the anti public transport forces is that light rail is unaffordable. They quote the total project cost of $930 million and fulminate about this cost. They invent a fictional cost of $1.8 billion.

They don’t tell you that this will be paid over 20 years. That the actual cost to the ACT is $65 million a year, for twenty years. That this is how most infrastructure assets are paid for. They realise this figure is affordable, and pretend it doesn’t exist.

Paying for light rail over twenty years is the same way that we all pay for a home when we seek a mortgage. Few of us are in the position of paying for a home from the money we earn this year. It is the sensible way to acquire any asset.

Where is this money coming from then?

The majority of the money to pay for light rail will come from selling assets such as ACTTAB and old public housing stock. These assets aren’t leaving the ACT; they have transferred ownership and the money is being reinvested in the ACT.

New public housing of better quality is being built to house the tenants that are relocating, and this is part of a long-term program to improve public housing stock. No tenant will be homeless as a result, and they will certainly be rehoused in better quality housing than the rundown housing along Northbourne Avenue.

Recycling these assets is a very successful way to fund new public transport infrastructure, spark urban renewal along a tired corridor and rehouse public tenants in better quality housing. The benefits transcend public transport and benefit several areas of our economy such as employment and construction.

The asset recycling program has already raised $400 million of the expected $930 million before the first payment to the Canberra Metro consortium is required (in 2018, the first year of light rail operations). The Federal Liberal government has also contributed $66 million towards this project, as it is seen as a way to boost productivity.

The rest of the money for light rail will come from the ACT Government via General Government Service revenue, which totals around $5.1 billion in 2016/17. Commonwealth Grants are over 40% of this $5.1 billion, our rates less than 20% at $447 million. Interestingly, the amount received from payroll tax was almost identical to the amount received from rates, yet I have never heard anyone complain that payroll tax is increasing to pay for light rail.

If we can’t pay for $65 million a year for 20 years out of $5.1 billion dollars a year (in 2016 terms), we are in bigger trouble than cancelling light rail will solve. It is a small one percent of our annual budget that is entirely manageable and a sound investment in our future. Most people’s car payments are greater than 1 percent of their annual income.

The selfish argument that light rail will only benefit a small percentage of the population is also false. Gungahlin’s population will be at 100,000 within ten years. Based on ABS statistics from the 2011 census, the corridor for light rail Stage One that takes in much of North Canberra has 9% of Canberra’s population within one kilometre of the light rail line.

That doesn’t take into account the population of Woden or the Inner South of Canberra that would benefit from the Stage Two extension. That doesn’t take into account the people that would catch one of the more frequent integrated bus services to a light rail station. That doesn’t take into account those that will use the free ‘Park and Ride’ instead of paying around ten dollars a day to park their car in Civic or the Parliamentary Triangle.

It is also selfish and disingenuous to object to public funds being spent in areas that don’t directly benefit the individual. You may never need to use a sewage pipe in Theodore, but the greater public of Canberra benefit from a sewerage system. Public transport and road infrastructure are exactly the same.

Public infrastructure is for the general use and benefit of us all. Schools and hospitals are expensive to construct and staff, but no one objects to publicly funded health service or schools, even if we haven’t used them in years. They may be used by friends or loved ones, or ourselves at some point in the future.

No one uses every road in the ACT. However we all contribute to the funding and construction of these roads. People in Canberra’s north may never use the Monaro Highway, but they appreciate and understand how these roads benefit people in other areas of Canberra, including friends and family. Light rail stage one and stage two are no different.

Finally, let us look at your rates. The ACT Government went to the 2012 Assembly election with a range of taxation reform measures. It proposed removing stamp duty and inequitable taxes and slowly increasing rates. In the face of a concerted ‘your rates will triple’ campaign from the Canberra Liberals, the public returned the Government.

It was a courageous election policy, so courageous that Liberal Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has supported it, and described the political difficulty in securing this type of taxation reform as ‘ten out of ten’. It is a taxation reform that almost all economists recommend other states adopt; yet they lack the political will to attempt it.

Our taxation reform is designed to ensure a predictable income stream buffered from the stamp duty property boom and bust cycle. Stamp duty has been reduced; eventually it will be removed altogether. There have also been cuts to insurance taxes, car taxes and payroll taxes.

This provides a more predictable stream of income that prevents slashing services in years when stamp duty income suffers from a real estate ‘bust’ period. No one likes paying bills, and no one likes rates increasing, but they would also complain and be materially impacted if services had to be cut if the real estate market collapsed

The ‘triple your rates’ campaign run in 2012 is again being run by the Opposition, although as the tripling didn’t occur, they are now referring to rates increases as ‘unfair’. Yes our rates will steadily increase. Stamp duty elimination is only a part of that. Rates are also increasing as our home values increase.

Note that the fear campaign doesn’t have a promise of reversing taxation reform and reintroducing the inherently illogical stamp duty grab.

The real issue for this election campaign is this – are the increases in rates related to light rail?

The answer is no. Categorically they are not. As shown earlier, rates are less than 20% of our total budget. Light rail is not being paid for from your rates. To suggest that rates will increase to pay for light rail is a deceptive fear campaign not based on any evidence.

When light rail begins operation, the ACT Government will pay the private operator an annual fee to operate the light rail service and pay the balance of the construction cost. In twenty years, the consortium operating light rail on our behalf will hand the asset back to the ACT government, and we will have a workforce and administration with the experience to manage the network.

The annual payment to the Canberra Metro consortium will be $65 million or 1% of our current annual budget. In 2036 that $65 million will be a fraction of the annual budget of the ACT. Recall that the Commonwealth Grants totalled $5.1 billion dollars.

Funds used for major projects are usually raised through asset sales, Commonwealth Grants and borrowings. That is what is happening in the ACT. We aren’t paying for light rail from your rates, and they aren’t increasing to pay for light rail.

When you look at all slices of the budget pie, 1% is not much compared to 56%. There may be room for reform and productivity savings in the ACT Health and education sectors; and this would bring about far greater benefits on the front line of services than taking the 1% allocated for light rail and having to endure the future costs associated with road congestion and the drag on productivity that this would result in.

The case stacks up for light rail.

For more frequent updates on Capital Metro and light rail related news, please visit our Facebook page ‘Light Rail for Canberra‘.

This article was originally published on the ACT Light Rail website here.


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HiddenDragon 5:52 pm 27 Oct 16

chewy14 said :

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”.

My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

Ah and there it is. Expecting other taxpayers to pay higher and higher amounts for general services to fund your children’s inheritance. One of the actual goals of all this complaining about rate rises, rather than the stated complaints about the actual fairness of the system.

A wish to selfishly ensure the system that has for decades been slanted to deliver such enormous (unearned) capital gains is not changed to a fairer system which will make it easier for your children’s generation to rely less on that “leg up” into the property market in the first place. To ensure that children who don’t have well off parents aren’t locked out.

The irony of expecting people to pay their way being redefined as Socialism.

If relatively asset-rich seniors were the only Canberrans who are currently (or will be in the future), squeezed by this policy, then deferment would be a solution for many – but that is not the case and that will become increasingly apparent in time, particularly when the mortgage interest rate cycle turns.

As for ensuring “that children who don’t have well off parents aren’t locked out” of the property market, a government which truly cared about that would not be working so hard to maximise revenue of all sorts from land, would it?

rommeldog56 7:09 am 27 Oct 16

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

Again, Annual Rates also contributed to providing services.

Its not just the $23K Stamp Duty that did.

Which is also not sufficient.

Annual Rates also contribute to provision of municipal services – which have noticeably degraded especially over the past 5 years or so. The reason Annual Rates” isnt sufficient” is that, by the ACT Labor/Greens own admission, they also funds its grandiose, meglamanic vision (which is also shared by so many of the “progressives”/lefty’s who vote for them) and infrastructure projects.

Those things are discretionary expenditure.

JC 10:57 pm 26 Oct 16

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

Again, Annual Rates also contributed to providing services.

Its not just the $23K Stamp Duty that did.

Which is also not sufficient.

dungfungus 9:50 pm 26 Oct 16

JC said :

dungfungus said :

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”.

My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

Well, it probably paid for one of those mock-up cardboard trams that the politicians were photographed playing with.

Let’s just call it “building receptivity” to the vision.

At least you know the value of something in 2016. Gee looking at what others say you would think you could buy a litre of milk for $1, just like in the 1980’s and that paying $23k in stamp duty negates your obligation to pay rates for life.

I think you are confusing cost with value.

Residents of the ACT are about to learn the value of one dollar.

rommeldog56 7:59 pm 26 Oct 16

JC said :

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

Again, Annual Rates also contributed to providing services. Its not just the $23K Stamp Duty that did.

JC 6:26 pm 26 Oct 16

dungfungus said :

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”.

My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

Well, it probably paid for one of those mock-up cardboard trams that the politicians were photographed playing with.

Let’s just call it “building receptivity” to the vision.

At least you know the value of something in 2016. Gee looking at what others say you would think you could buy a litre of milk for $1, just like in the 1980’s and that paying $23k in stamp duty negates your obligation to pay rates for life.

dungfungus 2:45 pm 26 Oct 16

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”.

My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

Well, it probably paid for one of those mock-up cardboard trams that the politicians were photographed playing with.

Let’s just call it “building receptivity” to the vision.

Spiral 1:09 pm 26 Oct 16

justin heywood said :

– A reasonable person would assume that money from the sale of public housing would be used to build more public housing.

No no. The Idea is that we sell one asset to fund another. Then of course we still have to have government housing so the government (really us of course) will have to pay market value to rent the new housing from its private owners so we can provide government housing. But that money will come from a different bucket so it doen’t count of course.

Smoke and mirrors

chewy14 12:24 pm 26 Oct 16

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”.

My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

Ah and there it is. Expecting other taxpayers to pay higher and higher amounts for general services to fund your children’s inheritance. One of the actual goals of all this complaining about rate rises, rather than the stated complaints about the actual fairness of the system.

A wish to selfishly ensure the system that has for decades been slanted to deliver such enormous (unearned) capital gains is not changed to a fairer system which will make it easier for your children’s generation to rely less on that “leg up” into the property market in the first place. To ensure that children who don’t have well off parents aren’t locked out.

The irony of expecting people to pay their way being redefined as Socialism.

JC 11:54 am 26 Oct 16

rommeldog56 said :

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”.

My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

And how far do you think that $23k goes. Therin lie the problem.

JC 11:52 am 26 Oct 16

dungfungus said :

A major problem for tram operators is fare evasion.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/10/24/light-rail-fare-evasion-audit

Evasion exists already in the territory with Action busses but access and egress on a bus is totally different to a tram.

Perhaps JC could tell us how it is going to be contained in Canberra.

Again read the documentation how that is to be tackled is clearly articulated.

dungfungus 10:49 am 26 Oct 16

A major problem for tram operators is fare evasion.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/10/24/light-rail-fare-evasion-audit

Evasion exists already in the territory with Action busses but access and egress on a bus is totally different to a tram.

Perhaps JC could tell us how it is going to be contained in Canberra.

rommeldog56 7:12 am 26 Oct 16

JC said :

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Yes – I have looked at “deferment”. My house will be a leg up into the property market when I pass on. You or any Gov’t has any right to slug them again for my efforts/achievements in life. Socialism gone to extremes.

In your lefty zest to recommend what is in effect a death or inheritance tax, you neglect that I have already paid $23K on the purchase of my house – 6 months before ACT Labor announced the “new tax regime” in the run up to the 2012 ACT election. Its about fairness as well as affordability.

dungfungus 12:39 pm 18 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

JC said :

As to why they have gone up, remember stamp duty has come down, so part of the rise is paying for that, though it does seem thus far, due to raising property values the rates rise is giving slightly more income than the cost of reducing stamp duty.

Plus also, we need to consider the new levies added for other specific things, Safer Families and Fire & Emergency Services. We had bushfires so we need a levy to build more fire stations. We have family violence, so we need a levy to tackle the issue. Surely a massive spend on public transport will require a levy of some sort, especially now that we have four more years during which the government can do what they want and residents can’t touch them.

Don’t forget the “vision” levy.

wildturkeycanoe 7:10 am 18 Oct 16

JC said :

As to why they have gone up, remember stamp duty has come down, so part of the rise is paying for that, though it does seem thus far, due to raising property values the rates rise is giving slightly more income than the cost of reducing stamp duty.

Plus also, we need to consider the new levies added for other specific things, Safer Families and Fire & Emergency Services. We had bushfires so we need a levy to build more fire stations. We have family violence, so we need a levy to tackle the issue. Surely a massive spend on public transport will require a levy of some sort, especially now that we have four more years during which the government can do what they want and residents can’t touch them.

JC 6:05 pm 17 Oct 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

gooterz said :

Stampduty savings are good if you are buying or selling. Useless if you are retired and live near the tram. You’ll be taxed out of Canberra. Given Canberra has many many retirees i can’t see the 5000 people increase per year holding.

Not just useless if you live near the tram but also out in the sticks. My property’s unimproved value rose 21% in the last 5 years, but my rates bill rose by 42% in the same time and will apparently continue to increase by 10% every year. Who gets a 10% pay rise a year to compensate for this, apart from politicians? Welfare dependent people, retired pensioners and pretty much every wage earner in Canberra can expect to get maybe a 2 to 4% increase in wages a year. Nothing about this is consistent, expenditure just keeps exceeding income in every aspect of our lives, which drags more and more people into struggle street every year. To say our rates aren’t paying for the tram is just a blatant misconception, why else have they risen so much? Perhaps to pay for all the salaries of our new Legislative Assembly members?

Rates make up 27% of the territory income. So yes part of that (will) pays for the light rail, part of that also contributes to all the other services the government spends money on, including the salaries and extra costs of the expanded legislative assembly!

As to why they have gone up, remember stamp duty has come down, so part of the rise is paying for that, though it does seem thus far, due to raising property values the rates rise is giving slightly more income than the cost of reducing stamp duty.

JC 5:58 pm 17 Oct 16

gooterz said :

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

gazket said :

My self don’t take home $2000 a fortnight. Rates will skyrocket which will increase rents. I’m only just affording $400 a week rent now. Any increase in that I will be forced to move away from Canberra. Simple as that. People on under average wages won’t be able to live in Canberra simple as that.

I have posted about that here previously. Annual Rates on units went up 20% on 1/7/16 too. I think this is what the ACT Govt calls “affordable housing”, unless u are on avg or below avg wage, elderly, disabled, self funded retirees or other vulnerable renters or home owners. It is inevitable that more and more people will seek ACT Govt housing to escape the increases in Annual Rates. Or be forced out of the ACT (like I am, as a self funded retiree).

I have raised this before on these boards – but if i were u, I wouldn’t expect any sympathy or even understanding in this new, cold, hard, socially re engineered and now unfriendly Canberra.

Offset by a drop in stamp duty.

Still waiting to see any alternative that would work in your eyes? I mean to say how can we justify charging $40k stamp duty just because people want, or in same cases need to move house?

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Stampduty savings are good if you are buying or selling. Useless if you are retired and live near the tram. You’ll be taxed out of Canberra. Given Canberra has many many retirees i can’t see the 5000 people increase per year holding.

So what is the alternative then and how can stamp duty be a ‘fair’ tax in any way shape or form?

wildturkeycanoe 2:41 pm 17 Oct 16

gooterz said :

Stampduty savings are good if you are buying or selling. Useless if you are retired and live near the tram. You’ll be taxed out of Canberra. Given Canberra has many many retirees i can’t see the 5000 people increase per year holding.

Not just useless if you live near the tram but also out in the sticks. My property’s unimproved value rose 21% in the last 5 years, but my rates bill rose by 42% in the same time and will apparently continue to increase by 10% every year. Who gets a 10% pay rise a year to compensate for this, apart from politicians? Welfare dependent people, retired pensioners and pretty much every wage earner in Canberra can expect to get maybe a 2 to 4% increase in wages a year. Nothing about this is consistent, expenditure just keeps exceeding income in every aspect of our lives, which drags more and more people into struggle street every year. To say our rates aren’t paying for the tram is just a blatant misconception, why else have they risen so much? Perhaps to pay for all the salaries of our new Legislative Assembly members?

gooterz 11:05 pm 16 Oct 16

JC said :

rommeldog56 said :

gazket said :

My self don’t take home $2000 a fortnight. Rates will skyrocket which will increase rents. I’m only just affording $400 a week rent now. Any increase in that I will be forced to move away from Canberra. Simple as that. People on under average wages won’t be able to live in Canberra simple as that.

I have posted about that here previously. Annual Rates on units went up 20% on 1/7/16 too. I think this is what the ACT Govt calls “affordable housing”, unless u are on avg or below avg wage, elderly, disabled, self funded retirees or other vulnerable renters or home owners. It is inevitable that more and more people will seek ACT Govt housing to escape the increases in Annual Rates. Or be forced out of the ACT (like I am, as a self funded retiree).

I have raised this before on these boards – but if i were u, I wouldn’t expect any sympathy or even understanding in this new, cold, hard, socially re engineered and now unfriendly Canberra.

Offset by a drop in stamp duty.

Still waiting to see any alternative that would work in your eyes? I mean to say how can we justify charging $40k stamp duty just because people want, or in same cases need to move house?

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

Stampduty savings are good if you are buying or selling. Useless if you are retired and live near the tram. You’ll be taxed out of Canberra. Given Canberra has many many retirees i can’t see the 5000 people increase per year holding.

JC 12:28 pm 14 Oct 16

rommeldog56 said :

gazket said :

My self don’t take home $2000 a fortnight. Rates will skyrocket which will increase rents. I’m only just affording $400 a week rent now. Any increase in that I will be forced to move away from Canberra. Simple as that. People on under average wages won’t be able to live in Canberra simple as that.

I have posted about that here previously. Annual Rates on units went up 20% on 1/7/16 too. I think this is what the ACT Govt calls “affordable housing”, unless u are on avg or below avg wage, elderly, disabled, self funded retirees or other vulnerable renters or home owners. It is inevitable that more and more people will seek ACT Govt housing to escape the increases in Annual Rates. Or be forced out of the ACT (like I am, as a self funded retiree).

I have raised this before on these boards – but if i were u, I wouldn’t expect any sympathy or even understanding in this new, cold, hard, socially re engineered and now unfriendly Canberra.

Offset by a drop in stamp duty.

Still waiting to see any alternative that would work in your eyes? I mean to say how can we justify charging $40k stamp duty just because people want, or in same cases need to move house?

Oh and as a self funded retiree have you looked into the governments deferred payment scheme for people such as yourself to lower the ‘burden’ whilst you are still alive or living in your current home?

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