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How do Canberra Libs get out of the wilderness?

By Garfield 28 March 2014 56

In his opinion piece in today’s Canberra Times, former Liberal Senator for the ACT Gary Humphries has said that the Canberra Liberals face a continued stretch in the wilderness unless they change their conservative ways.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/long-march-in-the-wilderness-ahead-for-local-liberals-20140327-zqni1.html

I vote Liberal because I don’t think the Labor Government has been doing a good job, but I know many readers of the RiotACT don’t vote Liberal.  In the spirit of it being a good thing to have a viable alternative to the current government I’d like to ask what do the Canberra Liberals have to do to win those extra votes they need to form government in the ACT?

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MarkE 10:33 pm 16 Jun 15

Good new people, the Liberal Democratic Party are setting up in Canberra and plan to run candidates in all electorates in the next ACT Election. They are financially responsible and socially progressive. Check out the policies here: http://www.ldp.org.au/

LDP is about low taxes, small government and less government interference in people’s lives.

Given the disarray and ultra conservative policies of the Canberra Liberals the LDP offers a palatable alternative to Labour.

laraeddy 6:24 pm 16 Apr 14

Open letter to the new RiotACT moderators:

Thanks for your update on moderation policy (different thread), especially the welcome news that you intend to not publish posts that are way off topic or don’t contribute to the discussion.

Can I humbly suggest that you have a look through this thread as a great example of how you might apply this new approach !

The OP raised a really good question about what the poor citizenry is to do in a parliamentary democracy when the putative alternative government is a dysfunctional shambles.

For a while, we did get a few posts on topic – though it would appear nothing from the ideological crazies who seem to have captured the Libs. As we saw from the Libs’ last Senate non-campaign, once they have got their bloke in the frame, they don’t seem to think it is worth talking to the average punter.

In less worthy moments, I’d be extremely happy for the Libs to continue to display utter contempt for the voters ! But the OP’s point is right – that really is not a good thing for Canberra in the long run. You do need a credible opposition and a genuine contest of ideas.

But then we got some irrelevant nonsense about whether joining one group is the same as joining another group. And now, for crying out loud, we are on about Greens publicity leaflets. Absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Please, if people want to talk about CPSU/ALP connections, or Greens leaflets, get them to start a discussion thread about it. That might have the benefit of making them come up with something vaguely sensible to say on their chosen topic – which, frankly, based on the stuff in the initial off-topic comments is a very, very doubtful proposition indeed. But let them give it a go – not sure everyone does have the right to be a bigot, but happy for anyone to have the opportunity to make themselves look stupid. Let them put up something of substance and argue it.

Seems to me that if, as the new owners of this site, you want people to take it seriously again, indulging these childish attempts at distraction (“nyah nyah, you’re poo-ey too”) won’t do you too many favours in the long run !

    Canfan 8:38 pm 16 Apr 14

    laraeddy – Thanks for taking the time to let us know what you think. As you have seen in our announcement, moderation is a pretty big focus for us at the moment. We are trying to find a balance between encouraging great discussion and keeping things on track and non-offensive. We aren’t always getting this right just yet, but hope you will see this get better over the coming weeks. Thanks again for your input – it’s much appreciated. Ed

dungfungus 9:59 pm 15 Apr 14

JustThinking said :

dungfungus said :

JustThinking said :

OFF Track,
I would like to know how the Greens validate handing out and mailing out so many millions of papers/ pamphlets without killing their own cause…

It’s recycled paper. That makes it OK.

Really? Cause I work for the Elect Commission every time we vote and no GREEN has had that answer yet….

It was clearly printed on the last correspondence I received from The Greens. Just what sort of work do you actually do every time there is an election?

JustThinking 9:25 pm 15 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

JustThinking said :

OFF Track,
I would like to know how the Greens validate handing out and mailing out so many millions of papers/ pamphlets without killing their own cause…

It’s recycled paper. That makes it OK.

Really? Cause I work for the Elect Commission every time we vote and no GREEN has had that answer yet….

dungfungus 8:27 pm 15 Apr 14

JustThinking said :

OFF Track,
I would like to know how the Greens validate handing out and mailing out so many millions of papers/ pamphlets without killing their own cause…

It’s recycled paper. That makes it OK.

JustThinking 8:07 pm 15 Apr 14

OFF Track,
I would like to know how the Greens validate handing out and mailing out so many millions of papers/ pamphlets without killing their own cause…

dungfungus 5:23 pm 06 Apr 14

justin heywood said :

Alderney said :

Justin, rather than reading what you think you’ve read, go back and read what was actually written.

Dungfungus said, …..

You see, context is a wonderful thing. You should give it a go sometime.

As for how many of them I think would vote liberal, I’ve really no idea. What I do know however, is that they would not all vote Labor (a simple understanding of behaviour patterns would point to this). If you have any data from research conducted into the voting habits of union members I’d be interested in giving it a read.

You see, it is equally feasible that a unionist might vote for a non-labor party, as it would be for a non-unionist to vote for the Labor Party. Especially given that union membership is so low as a total of the workforce.
Politics, and the party political system, isn’t anywhere near as cut and dried as you might like to believe.

Chill out a bit – this is just a blog. Yes, yes, it’s entirely feasible that some unionist vote Liberal, indeed some no doubt are supporters of the Citizens Electoral Council. But not many, I’ll bet.

It’s also entirely feasible that in real life you aren’t as patronising, pedantic and precious as your post would make you appear. But not likely.

“Dungfungus said, …..

You see, context is a wonderful thing. You should give it a go sometime.

As for how many of them I think would vote liberal, I’ve really no blah blah blah……..”

DUNGFUNGUS DID NOT SAY THIS!

justin heywood 2:32 pm 06 Apr 14

Alderney said :

Justin, rather than reading what you think you’ve read, go back and read what was actually written.

Dungfungus said, …..

You see, context is a wonderful thing. You should give it a go sometime.

As for how many of them I think would vote liberal, I’ve really no idea. What I do know however, is that they would not all vote Labor (a simple understanding of behaviour patterns would point to this). If you have any data from research conducted into the voting habits of union members I’d be interested in giving it a read.

You see, it is equally feasible that a unionist might vote for a non-labor party, as it would be for a non-unionist to vote for the Labor Party. Especially given that union membership is so low as a total of the workforce.
Politics, and the party political system, isn’t anywhere near as cut and dried as you might like to believe.

Chill out a bit – this is just a blog. Yes, yes, it’s entirely feasible that some unionist vote Liberal, indeed some no doubt are supporters of the Citizens Electoral Council. But not many, I’ll bet.

It’s also entirely feasible that in real life you aren’t as patronising, pedantic and precious as your post would make you appear. But not likely.

dungfungus 11:47 am 06 Apr 14

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Alderney said :

dungfungus said :

Obviously, if someone supports (by membership) one organisation as a membership condition the members are bound to support any affiliated organisation.
It is therefore fair to say CPSU members will vote Labor. Some will fudge a bit and vote Green but then the Greens are affiliated with Labor also so the outcome is the same.

Bollocks.

Just because one is a member of union doesn’t guarantee they will vote a particular way. It might point to the likelihood of them voting a particular way, but doesn’t guarantee it.

When I joined the PS 6 years ago (after 23 yrs in the private sector) I was presented with a membership application form, for whatever the applicable union is, and it did contain an option to not have my funds contribute to the Labor Party.

I believe in unions and think they do good work, in the main.

I do think they need to re-invent themselves and break the link with the Labor Party as they (LP) no longer serve the purpose as the political wing of the union movement, despite having to be a union member to join them.

I’m a left leaning liberal (or am I a right leaning Labor?), but as I would never join a union I’m effectively excluded from the Labor Party.

When you get over your identity crisis write something that makes sense please.

Do you ever get sick of being wrong all the time? About everything? Not a rhetorical question I really wonder what motivates you to keep banging away on your keyboard without any comprehension of whats happening around you.

What a question; from someone with the pretentious name “No I’m Right”.
Are you the advocate for Alderney or perhaps his/her brother-in-law?
I think you will find that I am usually right and when I am wrong I have the balls to admit it.
Not that it is all about winners and losers (at least that is the way it is with me).

Alderney 10:34 am 06 Apr 14

justin heywood said :

Bollocks? What, you don’t think it’s fair to say that most unionists are Labor/Green voters?

What percentage of them would vote liberal then, do you reckon?

Justin, rather than reading what you think you’ve read, go back and read what was actually written.

Dungfungus said, ‘as a membership condition the members are bound to support any affiliated organisation’. To which I replied ‘bollocks’ and then qualified with, ‘[J]ust because one is a member of union doesn’t guarantee they will vote a particular way. It might point to the likelihood of them voting a particular way, but doesn’t guarantee it’.

You see, context is a wonderful thing. You should give it a go sometime.

As for how many of them I think would vote liberal, I’ve really no idea. What I do know however, is that they would not all vote Labor (a simple understanding of behaviour patterns would point to this). If you have any data from research conducted into the voting habits of union members I’d be interested in giving it a read.

You see, it is equally feasible that a unionist might vote for a non-labor party, as it would be for a non-unionist to vote for the Labor Party. Especially given that union membership is so low as a total of the workforce.

Politics, and the party political system, isn’t anywhere near as cut and dried as you might like to believe.

justin heywood 6:55 pm 05 Apr 14

Alderney said :

dungfungus said :

Obviously, if someone supports (by membership) one organisation as a membership condition the members are bound to support any affiliated organisation.
It is therefore fair to say CPSU members will vote Labor. Some will fudge a bit and vote Green but then the Greens are affiliated with Labor also so the outcome is the same.

Bollocks.

Just because one is a member of union doesn’t guarantee they will vote a particular way. It might point to the likelihood of them voting a particular way, but doesn’t guarantee it.

When I joined the PS 6 years ago (after 23 yrs in the private sector) I was presented with a membership application form, for whatever the applicable union is, and it did contain an option to not have my funds contribute to the Labor Party.

I believe in unions and think they do good work, in the main.

I do think they need to re-invent themselves and break the link with the Labor Party as they (LP) no longer serve the purpose as the political wing of the union movement, despite having to be a union member to join them.

I’m a left leaning liberal (or am I a right leaning Labor?), but as I would never join a union I’m effectively excluded from the Labor Party.

Bollocks? What, you don’t think it’s fair to say that most unionists are Labor/Green voters?

What percentage of them would vote liberal then, do you reckon?

justin heywood 6:28 pm 05 Apr 14

Nylex_Clock said :

Ban aspiring members of Canberra’s town council from being a member of any political party. Ditch the Government/Opposition charade. Make all town councillors work. Ban the funding of political advisors and other scum-suckers.

+1, but good luck with the implementation!

I can’t remember who said that anyone who aspired to politics should automatically be banned from the profession.

NoImRight 5:42 pm 05 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

Alderney said :

dungfungus said :

Obviously, if someone supports (by membership) one organisation as a membership condition the members are bound to support any affiliated organisation.
It is therefore fair to say CPSU members will vote Labor. Some will fudge a bit and vote Green but then the Greens are affiliated with Labor also so the outcome is the same.

Bollocks.

Just because one is a member of union doesn’t guarantee they will vote a particular way. It might point to the likelihood of them voting a particular way, but doesn’t guarantee it.

When I joined the PS 6 years ago (after 23 yrs in the private sector) I was presented with a membership application form, for whatever the applicable union is, and it did contain an option to not have my funds contribute to the Labor Party.

I believe in unions and think they do good work, in the main.

I do think they need to re-invent themselves and break the link with the Labor Party as they (LP) no longer serve the purpose as the political wing of the union movement, despite having to be a union member to join them.

I’m a left leaning liberal (or am I a right leaning Labor?), but as I would never join a union I’m effectively excluded from the Labor Party.

When you get over your identity crisis write something that makes sense please.

Do you ever get sick of being wrong all the time? About everything? Not a rhetorical question I really wonder what motivates you to keep banging away on your keyboard without any comprehension of whats happening around you.

dungfungus 12:26 pm 05 Apr 14

Alderney said :

dungfungus said :

Obviously, if someone supports (by membership) one organisation as a membership condition the members are bound to support any affiliated organisation.
It is therefore fair to say CPSU members will vote Labor. Some will fudge a bit and vote Green but then the Greens are affiliated with Labor also so the outcome is the same.

Bollocks.

Just because one is a member of union doesn’t guarantee they will vote a particular way. It might point to the likelihood of them voting a particular way, but doesn’t guarantee it.

When I joined the PS 6 years ago (after 23 yrs in the private sector) I was presented with a membership application form, for whatever the applicable union is, and it did contain an option to not have my funds contribute to the Labor Party.

I believe in unions and think they do good work, in the main.

I do think they need to re-invent themselves and break the link with the Labor Party as they (LP) no longer serve the purpose as the political wing of the union movement, despite having to be a union member to join them.

I’m a left leaning liberal (or am I a right leaning Labor?), but as I would never join a union I’m effectively excluded from the Labor Party.

When you get over your identity crisis write something that makes sense please.

Nylex_Clock 7:15 pm 04 Apr 14

gazket said :

ban preferential voting , first past the post should always be the winner.

Ban aspiring members of Canberra’s town council from being a member of any political party. Ditch the Government/Opposition charade. Make all town councillors work. Ban the funding of political advisors and other scum-suckers.

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