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Human Rights Prison keeping inmates “Like Caged Chooks”

By johnboy - 11 November 2011 78

When you tell an outsider to Canberra a lot of things about how we run this Territory their jaw tends to start bouncing on the ground.

But one of the harder to believe things is that we decided it would be better for the welfare of our criminal classes to keep them all (male, female, high risk and low risk) in the one facility.

The ABC has a story today on how the official visitor thinks that is working out.

He says a lack of space at the Alexander Maconochie Centre (AMC) means some inmates who need to be separated from other groups are unable to attend programs and activities.

He says the situation in the crisis unit is particularly concerning.

“By law, they must have one hour of exercise so they’re allowed out of their cell. But guess what? They go into a corridor and walk up and down there,” he said.

“There is a tiny, very small area [outside] but it’s kind of meshed and it’s enclosed. I suppose it’s like caged chooks.”

We are, again, thrilled to know this is human rights compliant.

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78 Responses to
Human Rights Prison keeping inmates “Like Caged Chooks”
Special G 8:47 am 13 Nov 11

Chooks are useful – big difference.

Tooks 8:30 am 13 Nov 11

poetix said :

Stevian said :

I-filed said :

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

I think they should be bored out of their brains for the duration of their sentence, so they think twice before they commit another crime.

Don’t pretend you’re interested in rehabilitation, being bored is one of the biggest precursors to criminal behaviour. Not to mention the mental health issues. Ever hear the term stir-crazy? Either you haven’t thought it through or you just don’t care.

+1
The fact that they are deprived of liberty is enough punishment, and unless we are going to totally write off everyone who is in gaol, there needs to be some attempt at rehabilitation. People who are bored out of their brains are not the best thinkers about their situation, and how they might change their behaviour.

Even those with no prospect of return to society deserve to be treated with basic dignity, exercise, and some entertainment or educational opportunities, simply because they’re locked up for our benefit.

Sounds like the Official Visitor is doing his job.

If they’re bored, it’s probably because they choose not to participate in the many educational (and other) programs offered at AMC. They do get exercise, they do have a gym. Don’t know what they do for entertainment, but the cells have TVs, as I understand it they have limited internet access, and presumably they have access to books and magazines.

From a sentencing transcript, October 4:

Your education was unsettled. You attended four primary schools up to Year 6 due to your parents moving residence. You ceased attending school at age 14 when you decided to leave home. Since being held in custody from April 2009 you have completed a number of educational courses in the AMC including a General Construction Certificate I, Small Business Certificates I, II and III, a First Aid Certificate and a Hairdressing Certificate I. You are currently employed in the Activities building in the Alexander Maconochie Centre. You have personally maintained a high level of physical fitness by attending the prisoners’ gym whenever possible. You are a positive influence on other prisoners using the gym, not only providing advice on appropriate usage of gym equipment, but also providing a calming influence when tempers get out of hand.

Stevian 9:25 pm 12 Nov 11

I-filed said :

Stevian said :

Either you haven’t thought it through or you just don’t care.

Yep – don’t care. I care about people who are the victims of misfortune – not those who create their own.

Then why pretend that you imagine it has any deterrent effect.? Are you too cowardly to own you own opinions? The answer is yes, by the way, justify it how you want, in the first instance you are plain gutless.

Jethro 9:03 pm 12 Nov 11

buzz819 said :

The more I look into it, the more I think that maybe Australia is to Americanised when it comes to most things, why do people want to re-offend when they are released?

I haven’t found any stats for ACT alone, but found that Australia, in 2004 had an average recidivism rate or about 58%.

In Norway they have a rate of about %30, a rate of crime per person which is about equal to Canberra as well.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html

Sure, the Norwegian penal system may be great at rehabilitating criminals and turning them into functioning members of society, but it’s useless at satisfying the baying mobs need for vengeance. You’re talking hippy talk.

buzz819 8:05 pm 12 Nov 11

The more I look into it, the more I think that maybe Australia is to Americanised when it comes to most things, why do people want to re-offend when they are released?

I haven’t found any stats for ACT alone, but found that Australia, in 2004 had an average recidivism rate or about 58%.

In Norway they have a rate of about %30, a rate of crime per person which is about equal to Canberra as well.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html

TheDancingDjinn 7:16 pm 12 Nov 11

I-filed said :

Stevian said :

Either you haven’t thought it through or you just don’t care.

Yep – don’t care. I care about people who are the victims of misfortune – not those who create their own.

+ 1 Billion

poetix 6:18 pm 12 Nov 11

Stevian said :

I-filed said :

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

I think they should be bored out of their brains for the duration of their sentence, so they think twice before they commit another crime.

Don’t pretend you’re interested in rehabilitation, being bored is one of the biggest precursors to criminal behaviour. Not to mention the mental health issues. Ever hear the term stir-crazy? Either you haven’t thought it through or you just don’t care.

+1
The fact that they are deprived of liberty is enough punishment, and unless we are going to totally write off everyone who is in gaol, there needs to be some attempt at rehabilitation. People who are bored out of their brains are not the best thinkers about their situation, and how they might change their behaviour.

Even those with no prospect of return to society deserve to be treated with basic dignity, exercise, and some entertainment or educational opportunities, simply because they’re locked up for our benefit.

Sounds like the Official Visitor is doing his job.

I-filed 5:01 pm 12 Nov 11

Stevian said :

Either you haven’t thought it through or you just don’t care.

Yep – don’t care. I care about people who are the victims of misfortune – not those who create their own.

Waiting For Godot 3:22 pm 12 Nov 11

Tooks said :

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

No gym? Where’d you get that from?

Just before the AMC was opened The Canberra Times reported that there wasn’t enough money to put a gym in. Oh, I see what you’re getting at. Believing anything published in the Crimes is foolhardy to say the least.

Ian 1:47 pm 12 Nov 11

I-filed said :

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

I think they should be bored out of their brains for the duration of their sentence, so they think twice before they commit another crime.

+1

And why have a gym in a jail? I want them coming out spindly weaklings not muscled up.

Stevian 1:37 pm 12 Nov 11

I-filed said :

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

I think they should be bored out of their brains for the duration of their sentence, so they think twice before they commit another crime.

Don’t pretend you’re interested in rehabilitation, being bored is one of the biggest precursors to criminal behaviour. Not to mention the mental health issues. Ever hear the term stir-crazy? Either you haven’t thought it through or you just don’t care.

I-filed 11:49 am 12 Nov 11

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

I think they should be bored out of their brains for the duration of their sentence, so they think twice before they commit another crime.

Tooks 10:10 am 12 Nov 11

Waiting For Godot said :

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

No gym? Where’d you get that from?

Waiting For Godot 9:45 am 12 Nov 11

Sounds like the so-called “human rights compliant” prison is a disaster. A prison with no gym is ridiculous and having inmates sitting down all day on the Net instead of having proper exercise sessions doesn’t sound like a very desirable atmosphere at all.

mareva 12:56 am 12 Nov 11

This doesn’t surprise me in the least – the whole place is administered like a pig’s breakfast. They don’t answer the phones on Mondays. That’s just the rules. Seriously. And whether you get through Tuesday to Friday is really luck of the draw. Some days they just don’t feel like answering the phone. And when some sorry bastard actually decides to answer, it’s like he’s never used a phone before. It’s a miracle that place maintains any sense of order.

I tell my kids, don’t go to prison, because I can’t be bothered sitting on the phone for hours a day waiting for them to pick up, just so I can arrange to come and visit you.

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