26 May 2008

Humphries now an independant

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Good to see Humphries has ditched the Liberal party once and for all… or at least that’s what he’d have you believe with his latest pamphlet (dropped to Northside suburbs late last week). With not a Liberal party logo to be seen and no written reference to them at all, the latest in negative campaigning is a right treat.

Not that I have anything against criticising Labor, but Humpty doo seems to have really lost the plot with this one. He’s a Senator, yet his pamphlet features an electorate map of Fraser, with overlaid electorate names of “Ginninderra” and “Molonglo”. Maybe he’s planning to weigh in on the ACT election in a similar way to his ‘Send Stanhope a Message’ federal election pamphlet from last year.

Classic Libs, gotta love that cynicism – “I’m a politician and you’re stupid – vote for me!!”

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Holden Caulfield9:54 am 05 Jun 08

Nemo said :

“With not a Liberal party logo to be seen and no written reference to them at all,…”

Unless you live under a rock, you know who Humphries is. I hardly think this is an issue.

I might tend to agree with you if Humphries didn’t already have form in deliberately misrepresenting himself to his electorate at large. You may be remember his foolish stunt in the lead up to last year’s federal election.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh177/Holden-Caulfield/greens_broch_outer.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh177/Holden-Caulfield/greens_broch_inner.jpg

Nowhere on this brochure is it made clear that this was funded and distributed by Gary Humphries office. Unless, of course, you know who Andrew Heath is.

Still, at least Humphries was not as dumb as his former colleague in the seat of Lindsay.

(Btw, anyone know how I can post those links as images in my reply?)

Is there anyone who doesn’t know the Senator is a member of the Liberal party? Given that he’s been elected on their ticket since 1989, you’d have to be a little bit ignorant. Perhaps he was relying on a little name recognition?

fearless frank5:40 pm 27 May 08

I suppose my point wasn’t really that it’s against the law – I’m pretty sure it’s not. My point was that it sucks.

Fearless Frank, your claim is indeed valid, but don’t expect the Federal election groupies to start complying with ACT election policy, maybe he’s going to make a claim he’s shoring up his own Federal support instead of acting on behalf of his ACT friends?

Our (ACT) Elections Act is different to the Federal Act, links to important facts of which are coming to a comment above this one shortly, (when it gets out of moderation).
Depending on which you read, Magic Gaz either can or can’t do this, depending on exactly what he’s said.

Can you scan a copy of it and let us all see?

It would be up to the AEC or Elections ACT to decide which act applies, but he could be up for possibly a $1000 fine if he’s in the wrong…

But he’s Gaz, and he’s magic.

fearless frank: I agree with you completely. The worst example of this I’ve seen was a flyer claiming to be from “a concerned resident”, which was in fact (after a little digging) from the local Libs rep…clear deception. Yes, it complies with the AEC regs…perhaps those regs need updating.

fearless frank4:28 pm 27 May 08

24:

neanderthalsis said :

It is not so much that we are anti-new people, just overly opinionated on every topic.

No problems, I can handle that!

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jennib said :

you can find the appropriate authorisations at the bottom of each page, in accordance with the AEC’s regulations for political material, which identify both Senator Humphries and Liberal Party Federal Director Brian Loughnane as the publishers.

Except that’s no good unless you know already that Brian Loughnane is the Libs Fed Director (not stated on the pamphlet), or can be bothered googling that kind of thing. I maintain people shouldn’t have to research who’s responsible for dropping stuff in their letterbox when it comes to electoral matter…

I will also give a shiny Riot Dollar(*) if someone can scan a copy of this flyer and post it for those of us not apparently worthy of Magic Gaz’s professional interference.

While I’m sure the Magic is so clean as to be squeaky, if we could get some kind of collection of these together to make sure they all comply with the following.

ACT Elections:
http://www.elections.act.gov.au/education/factauthorise.html

Federal Elections:
http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/backgrounders/15/EB_15_Electoral_Advertising07.pdf

It would also be nice if both RiotACT admins and potential posters (I have user election08 and their ilk in mind here) could at least try to know about them.
The AEC may not be huge, but they will act on anything handed to them. 😛

(*) = not exchangable for real dollars, and only to used if Jazz decides to plug some merchandise and call it RiotGear

All political messages should carry suitable identification as to its originator, in this case, it is appropriate that it should be badged with a Liberal logo.

I could point a stick and draw analogies towards other smear campaigns that have surfaced in recent months, however will remain on the moral high ground, carrying a big bucket.

In due respect, I considered Humphries and Troy of high enough calibre to be above this kind of tactic.

Just as an aside….I do wonder how long it’s going to take before the libs figure out that a large percentage of Canberrans view the NCA as a waste of time, space & money. They seem to want to jump up & down about cuts to the NCA when (in my experience) most voters here would say “Good. Stuff ’em!”.

Hi all,

Jenni from Senator Humphries’ office here. I just wanted to let people know that yes, we have been sending out flyers over the past week – one has been used in the Canberra electorate, with a map of Canberra, and one has been sent out in Fraser, with a map of that electorate.

These flyers focus on the impact of the Federal Government’s first Budget on Canberra, particularly in terms of job cuts, funding cuts at the National Insitutions, and cuts to the National Capital Authority. In that sense, they are definitely ACT-focused, as we feel it is important to point out that some of the Government’s new spending initiatives are being funded through cuts to this community.

And, as always, you can find the appropriate authorisations at the bottom of each page, in accordance with the AEC’s regulations for political material, which identify both Senator Humphries and Liberal Party Federal Director Brian Loughnane as the publishers.

I hope this helps,

Cheers
Jenni

The RiotACT: Fair and balanced. We report, you argue mindlessly off topic about for the next week.

who cares? Really. I don’t have a problem with gaz using negative ads ( they are meant to be 3 times more effective than positives) I do think its piss weak not to put party identification on it but this is a recurring theme with humphreys, remember the “green” ad last year but its understandable given the scare Gary got last year and the level to which the lobs are on the nose.

What is funny about this is thumper, nemo and the rests indignation and snide comments about people using riotact in the same manner they do ( as means to push forwed their own political views) its called balance.

neanderthalsis11:47 am 27 May 08

It is not so much that we are anti-new people, just overly opinionated on every topic.

RIOTAct is really just a pseudonym for the ACT Association of Reprobates, Sociopaths, Environmentalists, CAVES, Loonies, Opionated Wankers & NIMBY’s.

But I jest…

We welcome interesting and enlightened conversation from all comers but reserve the right to argue and bicker about them afterwards. The trick is not to be too thin skinned and don’t feed the trolls.

fearless frank11:20 am 27 May 08

ok wow, I didn’t realise this forum was so anti new people. I’ve tuned in (observer only) for a couple of years now and always been turned off by the largely negative tone of the posts.

yeah, ok, I was being facetious about the approval rating.

For the record, I am neither a disgruntled Lib nor a campaign worker. I am a northside resident who dislikes negative campaigning. And I catch the bus. Does that help pigeon hole me? Happy now everyone?

On the pamphlet, I’m interested that no-one else seems to have received it. It was one double sided page with angry red and black text – mainly about the Federal budget and Labor’s ‘unkept promises’ – that kind of thing…

Hmmm, I wouldn’t use a 2pp poll as an indication of political interest/apathy…

neanderthalsis10:34 am 27 May 08

oop, my mistake, I started ranting about 2pp, then dredged up the poll returns and forgot to change my lead in.

Neanderthalis, two party preferred (as it’s name would indicate) allocates preferences to one of two parties – so it has to add up to 100%.

neanderthalsis10:25 am 27 May 08

FF: “2. most people (riotacters aside) don’t give a rats, and so 3 years of someone appearing in their letterbox seeming to be unaligned with the mob that have a 90% unapproval rating may have some effect”

Actually, the 2pp polling from the election last year had the Libs/Nats was 42.1% against the 43.4% for the ALP. The latest Morgan poll show little difference. So your “unapproval” or maybe disapproval for those who speak English, rating of 90% is a tad off. Me thinks you were referring to The Hon, Mr 10% Nelson, not the whole party.

I’m curious to know the content of said pamphlet. We probably did receive one, but Mrs Neanderthalsis, being a less political creature than I, probably disposed of it.

I personally see no problem in our fed representatives weighing in on the local side of politics.

<i since when is pointing out a feature of a pamphlet some whacker has dropped in my letterbox propaganda? Interesting interpretation…

1) You’re new.
Most Riot newbies start of whining about their paths being cracked, being overcharged for pizzas, the fact that a public holiday will be to the detriment of their local chicken retailer. Having a newbie with something different is new.
Thus, the average Riotlurker\Boganista commenter doesn’t know what to do with you.

2) Its an election year, we don’t know you, and you’ve used your opening barrage to talk about Magic Gaz.
You’re either an active or curious citizen, part of another Liberal faction who dislikes the Magic, or fighting for one of the other party campaigns.

Worst case scenario, you go to the effort this guy does:
http://the-riotact.com/?p=7502

fearless frank7:19 am 27 May 08

correction – apologies, the reference to ‘Molonglo’ on the map is the Molonglo river – ok, so I’m a ‘moron’, no probs, better than being twisted and bitter (some issues there headbonious??)

For those wondering:
1. it’s always an election year, particularly if you’re in the most marginal Senate seat in the country – everything is election material.
2. most people (riotacters aside) don’t give a rats, and so 3 years of someone appearing in their letterbox seeming to be unaligned with the mob that have a 90% unapproval rating may have some effect
3. Humpty doesn’t have the cash to be elected as an independent
4. my point is that it seems sad that he feels he needs to hide his allegiences – poor Humpty

Also, since when is pointing out a feature of a pamphlet some whacker has dropped in my letterbox propaganda? Interesting interpretation… takes all types I suppose

Jonathon Reynolds10:59 pm 26 May 08

Why the Liberals must use the F word
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=7408

Sorry, you’re right. It’s not election material. (His election will be in another 2.5 years since territory senators’ terms coinincide with House of Reps). I haven’t received the pamphlet – is it meant to be a “this is what I’ve done for the community” type thing? Or weighing in on the ACT election?

Sorry… ACT senator terms come up every election, 2.5 years to get his logo in the right spot.

“But as long as he wants to remain a Lib and be elected as one, I think his election material should make that clear. “

GnT, he isn’t running in an election for another 5.5 years. I’m sure this gives him enough time to get his logo in the right spot…

Labor are scared that the contempt they have shown the people of the ACT for the last 4 years is about to bite them on the arse. That is the only reason for articles like this.

Agree, GnT. Humph seems like a decent bloke, he doesn’t spout bizarre market-driven policies, so what’s he doing in the liberal party? They have a few like that, really decent, intelligent people and you wonder why on earth they threw their lot in with that party. All the decent federal ones are back benchers, I should add.

Wow. Now there’s a reaction.

Back on topic (and can we keep it that way, and lay off the personal insults), I often wondered why Gazza insisted on being part of Howard’s mob when he clearly has different ideals from him on many things, and possibly has the profile to get elected as an independent. But as long as he wants to remain a Lib and be elected as one, I think his election material should make that clear. Combined with talking about “ginnindera” and “Molonglo”, seems a bit clever to me (clever in the sense of a ‘clever politician’).

Fearless Frank – you moron.

Deadmandrinking7:15 pm 26 May 08

What, thumper? You mean they’re two morons obsessed with the flap flap flap loose in Canberra? And one of them’s a cop? Why would Vg need to jack off all over the keyboard? Doesn’t he get free head from hookers?

do you really think that it matters or not that they use a Lib logo?

“Not that I have anything against criticising Labor,”…

Yes, you sound very open minded about it.

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“With not a Liberal party logo to be seen and no written reference to them at all,…”

Unless you live under a rock, you know who Humphries is. I hardly think this is an issue.

On the other hand, I have not a clue who you are, or which party you may or may not be affiliated with.

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