'I don't want anyone to die because of me': COVID-19 'patient zero' speaks out

Good point

And when you asked the authorities Shaz Max, their reply was …?

… therefore, because he engaged in some harmless self-promotion, his whole story is a fabrication, right, CaptalRetro? I assume when you see “A best chips in town” sign outside of a fish shop you storm on in and demand documented proof? Other than congratulating your fellow denialists on their posts have you ever had a positive word to say about anything on here?

I have re-read the article several times GM and I cannot find a disclaimer that what he said was “harmless self-promotion”. Perhaps you should re-check your situation ethics settings.

Re the “best chips in town” sign, I am not an expert on that item but I can state they taste exactly like they did years ago, before man made climate change.

You are correct, CapitalRetro, and I accept your rebuke. The “harmless self promotion” comment was me engaging in shameless editorialising. Still, I’d like your answer to a direct question. Are you claiming that Cedric has fabricated the whole story because of one comment about his wrestling, that you cannot verify, CapitalRetro?

Honestly, it’s not hard to find, e.g. http://wrestling.com.au/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Final-Results.pdf

That was only three months ago. I stand corrected – other sites named someone else. He is also a wrestling coach at a Fyshwick gym so his wrestling followers should be proud of his achievements.

Nice slam dunk, midnightriot.
Bottom of Page 4, CapitalRetro, in case you need help:
“Senior Freestyle 125kgs – 1st Cedric Nyasmsi ACT”
Gee, it’s a good thing you don’t believe in climate change, because that egg on your face is well and truly fried.
So, can we now expect to see a post from you supporting Cedric?

How can an egg fry when it is -4 degrees? That climate change thing is diabolical.

Wow, CapitalRetro, maybe it’s finally getting through to you. Climate change is diabolical and that’s why we need to do something about it.

No it’s not done that way.

This type of testing is only an indicator.

Very true, but presumably current sewage testing stands a good chance of picking up the current known positive cases if they are using the standard sewage system.

By having them use a separate system (porta-potties or whatever they are called, if at home. Other solutions at hospital) any current testing which indicates a positive result from the sewage would suggest there are further infected people in the community.

Ditto.

Stop judging people, mate! Because of this incident, he has agreed to share his private activities to help protect the community, not to let people make judgments.

The intent behind his activities should not be anyones’ concern.

where did he judge him?

My thoughts exactly! #beastmode

He went to his job as a bouncer, went to church, went furniture shopping, as he’s moving house, and back to work.

Sounds like a very responsible young man.

Oh, sorry! Did I interrupt you dissing him?

I’m glad you’re defending the guy but you misinterpreted my admiration for something else entirely.

They don’t need to as they have the contact details of everyone who attends. It’s the same with workplaces where only employees are present. They only list places where there may have been unknown people present.

I mean what of this tell all is actually useful information? It’s sad that Cedric has felt compelled to out himself because the Canberra rumour mill was in overdrive, but this doesn’t actually help anyone. There’s no information about the source of infection, when or how the infection was acquired. It tells us that we’re still searching for patient zero, but that was the assumption regardless. There isn’t yet any match from genomic sequencing.

The government hasn’t shared any of this because it should all be pretty irrelevant and victims of this virus should be entitled to their privacy.

Don’t get me wrong, I admire Cedric for the bravery required to come out in this climate and say who you are and apologize for any harm you may have unintentionally caused. He just shouldn’t have had to do it.

Bro,
This information quells (at least temporarily) some of the rumours that have been spreading due to the lack of information provided by the government on the source of the outbreak.

I agree with you that he shouldn’t have had to do this. Because the government should have. They could have done so without naming him as well although his identity was Canberra’s worst kept secret.

Now we can wait to see if it’s true.

Hi Cedric, so sorry that you have contracted the COVID -19 virus. Wishing you a speedy and healthy recovery ????

Hi, reallybro, I guess the authorities are still working through the maze of information they have, and understandably they probably have not been able to work back to patient zero (which is Cedric – 1). I have to confess I don’t understand genome sequencing – I’m sure someone will enlighten me – but if we assume that patient zero is from Sydney, the genome link can only be established if said patient zero has been tested and returned a positive recorded result. However, if patient zero is an asymptomatic carrier and has not been tested, then it’s worth than finding a needle in a haystack. I may be wrong, but as I recall, patient zero in the Sydney Northshore outbreak was never identified – possibly because they were never tested. So unfortunately as happened for Cedric, the constant clamouring for information, by those whose overinflated opinion of their own self importance, can only be met by the rumour mill, as it doesn’t need the time and expertise that the properly verified and validated truth requires. Unfortunately, that’s why Cedric had to come out and defend himself against these unfounded rumours. The old cliche of never letting the truth get in the way of a good story is never better expressed than in describing social media.

Because it’s none of your bloody business, mate! People have a right to privacy. In none of the Sydney or Melbourne lockdowns has there been a witch hunt to “out” anybody. All you need to know is the exposure sites and how to minimise your risk. It doesn’t MATTER who he is. Typical Canberran attitude of having to know everything about everyone else!

Evil kitten core issue is chewy14 hates Andrew Barr and the government. So he/she is always looking for something to have a jibe at them over.

And your comment is spot on. No other government of either political persuasion releases personal information about cases on day zero.

You do of course see personal information if someone gets charged with something, case in point the two who travelled to Byron Bay, but that is well after police and health have had time to investigate properly.

Seriously, JC, you actually expect an investigation of the facts before we get to have access to the information? But that takes time, and we have a god given right to know everything on demand!

JC,
Honestly just because you love the ALP doesn’t mean legitimate questions of their behaviour means I hate them.

I regularly support them on numerous topics on this website so how does that fit in with your ridiculously inane assertions?

The facts are that a transparent and honest government would release information on the potential source of the virus transmission because it is critical to addressing the spread. You even point this out with the Byron Bay cases whose travel was identified almost immediately within the first day, well before they were charged.

What a good government doesn’t do is obfuscate the issue and say it is “entirely unimportant” where the virus was transmitted like Barr did.

This man (Cedric) has had to out himself due to the government’s lack of honesty and transparency.

Either they are withholding information from the public or they are thoroughly incompetent. Neither is a good look.

But you keep defending them like you always do. Good boy.

Grumpymark,
Can’t see where anyone has suggested there shouldn’t be an investigation of the facts. Got any other strawmen you want to throw around?

JC thank you. In other states we learn that it was a removalist, or a limo driver but I can’t ever recall such a bunch of nitpickers trying to pry into finding someone’s name and personal details. So wrong. This poor guy having to “out” himself to stop the rumours 🙁

Chewy, did I say anyone suggested there shouldn’t be an investigation? Is the strawman, the fact that I intimated that the time it takes to investigate the facts, doesn’t accord with the timetable of people who have an overinflated perception of their self importance? Got any other misinformation you want to throw around?

Evil Kitten,
Completely agree with you that he shouldn’t have had to out himself. Because the government should have provided information on the case being honest and transparent with the electorate.

Nowhere have I said that we needed personal or identifying information on the case, in fact I think the opposite of that.

What we did need is information on the likely sources of the case and what their initial investigations were showing. None of that would have involved identifying the person involved and could easily have been provided to quell the rumour mill and give needed information to the community. You’re actually agreeing with my position.

Chewy, where did I state that anyone “… suggested that there shouldn’t be an investigation”? Is the strawman, the fact that I stated investigations take time, and inferred that this may not accord with the timetable of those who are guided by delusions of their own self importance? Got any other misrepresentations you want to throw around?

Chewy, the only thing Canberrans needed to know is the critical locations, so we could determine our relativity in relation to being close (or otherwise) contacts and the parameters governing the lockdown, so we can take action accordingly. That information has been provided in a timely manner and is continually being updated as new facts come to hand. The rest is … please refer to earlier comment relating to delusions of self importance

Grumpymark,
Could you be any more disingenuous. You’re replying on a thread started by me to a comment that directly references me. Your weak attempts to hide behind poorly hidden assertions amd insults don’t reflect well on you.

Although speaking of delusions, are you seriously attempting to suggest the government is unable to investigate and report on the basics of a COVID case within 48hrs? That they wouldn’t have interviewed the man and be deep into contact tracing?

You mustn’t think much of the government and the health department’s competence 18months into a global pandemic if that’s the case

chewy14, draw whatever concludsins you like – if the cap fits …. Also, I didn’t say that the government has inverstigated and provided information to those who need to know – to perform their job in getting us through this. I’m sugggesting that the priority for them to provide it to the press and general public is much lower, for very valid reasons. And disingenuous? I’ll just say kettle out, over to you pot.

Grumpymark,
Completely disagree with your beliefs of what we need to know, the source of the original case is clearly extremely important information for the public to control the spread and maintaining trust with the electorate is critical to ensure people have faith and follow the rules.

Have you ever thought of a career in fungiculture? I think you’d suit the environment.

Grumpymark,
So you agree with me that the government was withholding important information and deliberately not answering questions. Good to know.

And if you’d watched both yesterday and today’s press conference both the CM and CHO were far more forthcoming with information on the cases and answered the questions more directly explaining what they did and did not know and what was still under investigation. Almost like they’d learned their lessons from the early mistakes.

Although I’m not sure how this fits with your other comments, perhaps you simply think that whatever they tell you is the right amount, no matter what it is.

My apologies, Chewy, I actually need to re-read my posts before hitting submit, especially on iPhone. That post should have read:
chewy14, draw whatever conclusions you like – if the cap fits …. Also, I didn’t say that the government hasn’t investigated and provided information to those who need to know – in order to perform their job in getting us through this. I’m suggesting that the priority for them to provide it to the press and general public is much lower, for very valid reasons. And disingenuous? I’ll just say kettle out, over to you pot.

Chewy, not all of us are so insecure as to need reassurance at every step of the way. Some of us are actually capable of understanding that in a crisis, keeping it simple means we can concentrate on what we need to do to get through it. Are you seriously telling me that you needed to know the source of the original case? If so than I also have a career suggestion for you – bovine husbandry. We still don’t know the original source, yet people are clearly following the rules and even more importantly being tested. And as for the more information coming out at conferences, well duh! It’s now been 4 days since the first case was discovered, you don’t suppose those undertaking the investigations have had the time to discern more information in that time, which they have passed on the the CM and CMO? One of the strengths of Dr Coleman is the fact that she refuses to engage in speculation but telies on facts in evidence – nothing nurtures trust in the electorate than an official who refuses to kowtow to the press’s demands for a headline.

Anyway, chewy, this is boring. You keep demanding every morsel of extremely important (to you) information – though I can assure you it won’t be forthcoming just because you demand it. Me? I’m just going to make do with contact locations and being informed of the parameters applying to the lockdown – which is all I need to stay safe and ensure I do nothing to jeopardise the safety of others – anything else, while it might be interesting, is not critical to me.

Grumpymark,
They’ve been giving more information on the new cases. Exactly as I suggested they should have originally.

Apparently you thought they didn’t need to provide that type of information a couple of days ago, but now it seems standard. Strange.

Although I still think the additional information would have prevented people gossiping and spreading rumours. On this website, we had people saying things like:

“Like many, I’ve heard some disturbing rumours about patient zero. Unfortunately as it’s the “a friend of a friend, who knows a work mate of …” rumour mill, so no justification whatsoever to state what I’ve heard, but if true and it comes out, I’d hate to be patient zero.”

“Actually, rustylick, the rumours I’ve heard may have some basis in fact –”

Apparently these type of people were really keen on the rumours and additional information. If the government was more forthcoming, this type of commentary and gossiping would have been reduced…..

Apparently my response to you, which I posted over 5 hours ago, has fallen foul of the moderator(s).
So I will simply say, as I mentioned above, I’m bored with you. It’s time you took your incessant browbeating and sanctimony elsewhere, to find another person to play with.