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Kangaroo cull attracting misguided protesters

Special G 21 May 2008 143

The Lawson Kangaroo cull has attracted a large amount of media attention over the past months. The trade off between relocation and just knocking them off has come down to a cost issue and since the Federal Government isn’t ponying up the cash to relocate it’s back to the lethal injection for skippy.

I heard on the radio today a bunch of protesters missed the mark by running in and upsetting a number of sedated roos. The problem was they weren’t the ones earmarked as death row as they thought and they were the ones partaking in the anti-fertility treatment.

Good work.


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Mælinar 11:48 am 22 May 08

FC – I find labelling a very efficient way of labelling people.

haha Tap = serial protestor, a relevant analogy/label.

@Duke – military hardware is not for use in jest. It is inappropriate to use a sniper rifle to kill vermin. I could understand Defence purchasing the relevant firearm, and sending their staff to the police to obtain a firearms licence as a cost efficient process, however something that has been designed to kill, and if not kill, to maim, is definetly not a good choice.

Actually, there are far too many other complications that arise from using military personnel, so scrub my last – contractors are a better option.

FC 11:35 am 22 May 08

Maybe the same people are protesting because- surprise – when you care about injustices – you tend to care about all injustices and would therefore participate in protests about various things, if they are, in your mind, wrong. does not mean that they just like protesting about anything.
Its funny how as soon as someone is labelled a “protester” of a “hippy,” people tend to devalidate what they are protesting about. That’s what labelling does.

tap 11:11 am 22 May 08

Ozhair: Yep here we are, the second round.

Ok so we’ve got past the ‘You shouldn’t be protesting because you havn’t done enough’,

now we are at the ‘You shouldn’t be protesting because you’ve done too much’. Bah.

How about you stop thinking about the people, and just the cause. That is actually what we are discussing here. But I do wonder why you think a person can only protest one issue? Its somehow as if you think that protesting an issue means you have no right to opinions (which may lead to protesting) on other issues. Strange.

The circles are starting to happen quite frequently now, but as discussed previously the slaughter is not neccessary (there are other options), but it is unpalatable.

And no, I don’t think this issue is a left wing/right wing issue at all.

Ozhair 10:56 am 22 May 08

Skid’s point, tap, was I believe to point out that you (in his opinion, I haven’t read many of your posts) are what I would refer to as a “serial protester”. That if you hadn’t found the roo’s to protest about this week, then it would have been something else.

This is why a lot of the general public are wary of people who are the most vocal about issues like these, because if you watch long enough, start to see the same faces at every protest, you start to realise that the cause itself isn’t really important to these people, it’s the mere fact that they have a cause, any cause, which will let them vent their spleens, wring their hands, and go “Waily waily!” on the evening news. It’s all about them feeling important and self-fulfilled that they’re dealing with “issues”, rather than the issues themselves.

I’ve fallen into the category of a “right-winger” for my opinion on the culling here apparently. Yet in most aspects of my life I would class myself as very firmly to the left. Sometimes you just have to realise that certain things, while unpalatable, may be neccessary.

tap 10:45 am 22 May 08

Can someone give me a link to the speech where the prime minister said something along the lines of ‘We have 3.5 million, we can either save the kangaroos in Lawson, build a youth centre, or send aid to burma. What’ll it be?’? If not, then please stop trying to argue that this is the case. That point has been well and truly answered by many of us now.

tap 10:39 am 22 May 08

One week, Skid. Up until a little over a week ago the plan was to do a trial relocation of the kangaroos. Why are you persisting with this lie?

The set pool of funds is a fair bit larger than 3.5 million. Fact is that the relocation of the kangaroos, wouldn’t have stopped aid to burma, or whatever the next wedge is that people are trying to use.

Its clear as day they don’t ‘need’ to be killed. Another lie.

What has Tibet got to do with this? Now this is called character assasination, where skid is trying to besmirch my name in the hopes that people will not pay attention wo what im saying. But look at his logic: I havn’t mentioned tibet recently (incorrect, I protested, and have been actively posting in every thread about tibet, but that is also irrelevant) therefore I am wrong about kangaroos in Lawson. The logic is clearly flawed.

On another note I don’t see how being against the slaughter of kangaroos is at odds with being against the Japanese slaughter of whales. In fact it seems more consistant than anything else.

Duke 10:27 am 22 May 08

Unfortunately the money can’t be sent to Burma or China, or spent on schools, hospitals etc because the ‘humane’ option is likely to burn up most of the funds anyway.

It’s outrageous the government has brought in outside shooters using drugs to kill instead of bullets. It defies belief that Defence can’t rattle up a few shartp shooters from their own ranks – Our Boys being deployed overseas could have got some valuable trigger time on some moving targets and had this whole problem sorted by lunch time.

I’d argue too that a bullet is quicker and less traumatic to the animal than tranquilizers followed by lethal injection.

Skidbladnir 10:04 am 22 May 08

Re: One year,
My mistake, the first sense of an ACT Governmental no was in July ’07 (10 months ago) when Defence first started its enquiries.
Defence may have given it a go ahead after their months-long inquiry, but they still had a minor logistics problem of moving them through the ACT, who had said no in no uncertain terms.

I raise the 3.5m price issue and community uses of 3.5m in funding because governments only a have a set pool of funds from which to draw from, need to explain their use of public funds not just to the public but ANAO, and moving a herd of kangaroos at $6000/head probably shouldn’t be at the top of priorities for a Government (Federal or Local) expecting a either a majority vote or an increase in voter numbers.
Placating the small number of cuddle-the-pests voters comes at a cost of alienating a larger number of core-voters who want money spent on their issues.

After things had been delayed for so long, I’m guessing someone new showed up on the Defence side of things and decided that the time to hesitate was through, there was no time to wallow in the mire, etc…
So decided to solve the problem with a gun, and let God sort out his own.

Tap may not like people arguing that kangaroos may need to be killed, but there will be another emotive bandwagon to come along shortly, and Tap’s unfiltered enthusiasm will need to be directed at some new\lost cause.
I note he hasn’t used the word “Tibet” recently.

Mælinar 10:02 am 22 May 08

@Thumper, google is telling me that it might have an element of untruth in it. Ironic, when it is being used as an example of something they believed to be untrue.

FC 9:58 am 22 May 08

Well the money isn’t going to aid ppl in Burma now that it hasn’t been used to relocate the roos, now is it?
And caring about the cull doesn’t mean people don’t care about international aid.
Nor does it mean that people aren’t actively involved in other charities, and/or donating money to international aid, or fighting for the “larger” issues.
becuase there is big shit going on out there doesn’t mean the small things aren’t worth fighting for.

Thumper 9:46 am 22 May 08

The Chinese are now eating pandas?

What is the world coming to? Soon Siberians will be eating huskies….

Mælinar 9:43 am 22 May 08

Care to align the Japanese media presence at the last protest with your above statement p1, or are you as full of it as Tap and WMD ?

Duke 9:42 am 22 May 08

……and this at a time when over 100 thousand people have died in Burma and over 40 thousand in China (those numbers climbing daily btw) due to natural disasters. It really is an odd sense of priorities some people have.

I’d rather see that 3.5 million/750 thousand go to international aid.

p1 9:38 am 22 May 08

….Australia couldn’t affect any diplomatic action against them on the subject of whaling…..

That is just plain dopey and makes about as much sense as saying that the Chinese will be able to justify eating Pandas now to.

While I think that it is sad that they feel it necessary to kill the ‘roos simply because the site (which has been essentially abandoned for some time) has had high fences and they couldn’t get out, I think both the fore and against arguments have been massive beat ups by various people hoping to forward their own agendas.

Mælinar 9:14 am 22 May 08

@FC – I’ve long advocated pulling down the fences, and stomping the ground with a batallion of troops to evict them into Canberra’s vaunted ‘nature corridors’ as viable alternative solutions.

Most other people, realising that this is the 15th thread on the same topic, are cognisant of these facts. Your points are only relevant to comments in this thread alone, and are thus not representative of the entire issue.

Mælinar 9:09 am 22 May 08

VG and Special G – and not to mention that we look like a bunch of idiots on the international circuit. The Japanese must be quite convinced by now that Australia couldn’t affect any diplomatic action against them on the subject of whaling, when we can’t even sort out animal issues in our capital city – not even 50km from the PM’s seat.

I wonder how the dreadlocked and unwashed would respond when informed their actions are being directly beamed into Japanese households – and is affecting their international position on eating yummy whale.

Thoughtless, selfish, cnuts.

FC 9:05 am 22 May 08

Tap – Your argument seems accurate, consistant and makes sense. Most of your antagonisic posters appear to change their arguments, call names, stereotype. a whole bunch of things that prove that they have no real argument to back them up.

Kangaroo numbers in Oz to high eh.
Well.. NOTHING to do with this cull! That is not why they are getting slaughtered.
Schools, Youth Centres, starving children, etc etc.
NOTHING to do with this issue!
Does killing the kangaroos held the starving children, build more schools etc?
No, of course it doesn’t. It has NOTHING to do with it!

I think it is just easier for some to go down the easy path. It requires less thinking amnd caring.
Cos sometimes giving a shit about living creatures requires us to step out of our comfortable lifes for a bit and take some action, or it changes our simplistic view of the world – something that is not always pleasant.
I guess we can’t really blame them though. Some people will never have the capacity to think about things at that level, and they never will.
Its a shame really.

shauno 4:32 am 22 May 08

Felix the Cat said :

barking toad said :

but apparently some old boiler from Cop Shop has, along with some no-name from Neighbours or some other show.

Barge Arse??

Pandy 11:28 pm 21 May 08

Frack the roos. Then frack all the hippies

vg 11:03 pm 21 May 08

“Special G, there is a difference between culling and mass-slaughter. The former is done in small amounts over time. “

Bollocks

Have you ever seen or participated in a culling? They happen every year in places like Nimmitabel, near Cooma. Shooters both amateur and professional participate in the annual roo culling. A lot of roos are killed but done for a reason. It is not a slaughter but an annual culling.

A slaughter would have no rhyme nor reason, a culling quite the opposite. I see no protestors in Nimmitabel or the central-west of NSW where these things happen quite regularly with nothing more than a bullet per roo.

Some of you people really need to get a grip on reality rather than jump on some sort of moral bandwagon every time something resembling ‘violence’ comes to the fore. The roos are not an endangered species and are being culled for a legitimate reason. If you feel so strongly about it start setting up roadside flower beds for every dead skip you see on Sutton Road during summer. I bet by the end of it you’ll total over 400.

The core protestors have no credibility nor brains, clearly demonstrated by the fact they firstly brought in an unrelated joey as an ‘example’, then releasing not once, but twice roos that weren’t to be culled, only causing more issues. Bit like me bringing you an Aboriginal friend to a BBQ and using them as an example of why there shoould be an intervention in Darfur……I mean their skin colours are nearly the same aren’t they (an d no, that comment is not racist in any way, shape or form. I have close friends of both ethnic backgrounds).

Once its all over and done with the NIMBYs will find some equally piss weak agenda to launch into, the proposed gas plan southside would be my guess.

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