Having grown up in Queanbeyan, and spent 6 years at Karabar, I think I’d be fairly close in saying that kids behave like this because the perceived benefits of the behaviour (ie the street cred or revenge factor) outweighs the potential punishment. Kids just aren’t scared of authority.

It’s interesting, though, in that when I went to Karabar, fights were 1 on 1, and it was finished once someone fell down.

Joshua said :

I know its not politically correct but I’ve always felt that the brave perpetrators of gang bashings when caught should be individually given the opportunity of going 10 or 12 rounds of bare knuckle boxing with an individual of the victim’s choice. For instance if I was the victim or knew the victim I’d pony up the cash to hire the services of the nastiest most dangerous crim currently out on parole.

Why would you want a crim? The guys that put them in there are much tougher

I smoke to chill. I am now paranoid that I get paranoid. Gee thanks FC!

This town needs The Batman.
Pity Bruce Wayne died.

Of course you should be penalised if you decided to go commit a crime against someone who has hurt your kids.
Where does the line get drawn?
I have no kids but should I be above the law if somebody did something to my dog?
What about my car? someone damages it and they don’t get charged then am in my right to take out my own justice (because the law didn’t protect me or provide that justice).
Hell no, there would be anarchy and we would have people running around.
“Eye for an Eye” people would scream. (Then we’d all end up blind?)
But who decides what type of retaliation is appropriate? Generally people wants both eyes and both legs for an eye.
And also – protecting your children is something that should be active, not reactive.

I understand and agree with what you are saying, FC but society is just not fixing the problems that lead to such anti-social and inappropriate behaviours. It is a complex issue that needs a multi-pronged approach. However in the short-term there needs to be some way of immediately stopping the criminal/anti-social behaviour and sometimes jail just has to be that approach.

I also agree with Peterh, I would protect my kids, come hell or high water. However we should not be penalised for protecting our kids, when the system won’t or can’t.

Qbn Gal said :

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

Maybe its a far more complex issue that just the courts handing down sentences.
It could be to do with the social system, education in schools, the addressing of mental health issues in adolescence, positive role models for children/young people who model behaviour that the chidlren may then go on to develop as adults. There could be links with the lack of religion/spirituality within our culture than contributes to inner feelings of emptiness and a lack of connecting with the world, or view of how oneself fits into this world. It could be becuase of the increase in technology/television/videogames that people are spending more time taking part in these activities and less being physically active, and thus have less endorphines happening and have a physical feeling of stagnation, which leads to irritability, which further leads to lashing out and aggression. It could be a result of a care and protection service for young people that is not up to scratch, and children are being abused or neglected and growing up to be disfunctional adults. It could be because the pot nowdays is ‘hydro’ and casuing people to be paranoid rather than chillaxed. It could be a combination of many of these things, or of some, and many other factors that contribute to the creation of violent offenders. Or offenders in general, and then another set of factors go onto contribute to them becoming voilent offenders. Harsher sentencing is not going to stop the continued ‘breeding’ (for lack of a better word) of these type of people.
I would suggest that there anti-social and innappropriate behaviours (ie voilence and offending) is a symptom of another issue (being the issue that needs to be looked at).
All behaviour is functional..
Even my hard to follow posts on Riotact..

Qbn Gal said :

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

and if i was the parent in the same circumstance, I would have reacted to the pedophile the same way. No-one touches my kids, they can deal with me.

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

It wasn’t that long ago that kids considered it weak and gutless to gang up on one person. Happens all the time now.

Wraith said :

And are the police doing anything??? I would assume these mongrels can be identified.

This always makes be cranky, can’t stand cowards. Shame they are more than likely underage, named and shamed can work well for their so called reputations, but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..

I feel terrible for the poor kid and dad regardless of their side of the story and what he did to cop this. High school my day was simple, you had a run in, you sorted it one on one! Win or lose after that there was still respect.

I’ve spent my 10 cents now, thanks

If one calls for vigilante justice – they need to think. This may have been an act of so called ‘vigilante justice’..

And are the police doing anything??? I would assume these mongrels can be identified.

This always makes be cranky, can’t stand cowards. Shame they are more than likely underage, named and shamed can work well for their so called reputations, but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..

I feel terrible for the poor kid and dad regardless of their side of the story and what he did to cop this. High school my day was simple, you had a run in, you sorted it one on one! Win or lose after that there was still respect.

I’ve spent my 10 cents now, thanks

Wow that is horrible.
I can’t begin to imagine the feeling of helplessness the father must have had.
So much for being ‘safe’ because you’re around your old man.
Poor kid, regardless of whatever prompted the attack.

whatever happened to a fair fight. Mabye global warming of the global financial crisis is to blame for turning people into cowards, but whatever the reason it’s just shit to read things like this happening in the paper everyday.

I know its not politically correct but I’ve always felt that the brave perpetrators of gang bashings when caught should be individually given the opportunity of going 10 or 12 rounds of bare knuckle boxing with an individual of the victim’s choice. For instance if I was the victim or knew the victim I’d pony up the cash to hire the services of the nastiest most dangerous crim currently out on parole.