19 June 2009

Karabar High School beatings

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The Canberra Times has a story on beatings in Queanbeyan yesterday:

    Two teenagers are believed to have been targeted by a pack of up to 10 youths in a series of premeditated attacks across Queanbeyan.

    It is believed some of those attackers have taken photos and video footage of the incidents on their mobile phones.

    On Monday afternoon, one of the teenage victims was bashed outside Karabar High School near a bus stop before receiving a further beating an hour-and-a-half later on the Queen’s Bridge in front of his father.

It’s always nice when criminals document and advertise their crimes.

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Let’s get back on topic shall we people?

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I do, however, think that spirituality (in whatever form it may take) can lead to a feeling of connectedness with the world.

I think it does exactly the opposite.

As an atheist, I have no spirituality. My ‘connectedness to the world’ comes from the knowledge that it’s the only one we’ve got; that when you kill somebody, they stay dead; and that Jeebus isn’t going to float out of the sky and make everything better. If we f.ck it up, that’s it – no second chances.

If you’re religious or ‘spiritual’ – well, why bother? Karma or the Angry Sky Fairy will sort everything out, there’s a lovely afterlife out there, and the material world is just a dream, so who cares what happens to it?

Most of what religious people call ‘connectedness’ is really just fear of divine retribution. For evidence, one need only look at what heinous thing people will do to one another when their actions are suddenly sanctioned by their beliefs or spiritual leaders.

It sould seem from your post that you really haven’t got a clue about the distinction between spirituality and organised religion.
No, It has nothing to do with the material world being a dream, or an afterlife, or fear of devine retribution.
Maybe you should take a deep breath and not comment on something if you haven’t a clue what it is you’re commenting about. take your anti-religious rant and maybe post it on a thread where it would be relevant. It is not in response to my comment.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy7:48 am 20 Jun 09

Where the hell are these kids parents?

Name and shame the parents!

They’re probably the same idiot bogan losers I went to Karabar with. The cycle repeats…

Kids with rubbish parents, and those kids are going to struggle all their lives because of it. Coupled with a world where they’ve seen, so far, that there aren’t many or any real consequences to anything they might do.

It’s all rather Lord of the Flies.

GottaLoveCanberra11:16 pm 19 Jun 09

Where the hell are these kids parents?

Name and shame the parents!

Woody Mann-Caruso3:52 pm 19 Jun 09

I do, however, think that spirituality (in whatever form it may take) can lead to a feeling of connectedness with the world.

I think it does exactly the opposite.

As an atheist, I have no spirituality. My ‘connectedness to the world’ comes from the knowledge that it’s the only one we’ve got; that when you kill somebody, they stay dead; and that Jeebus isn’t going to float out of the sky and make everything better. If we f.ck it up, that’s it – no second chances.

If you’re religious or ‘spiritual’ – well, why bother? Karma or the Angry Sky Fairy will sort everything out, there’s a lovely afterlife out there, and the material world is just a dream, so who cares what happens to it?

Most of what religious people call ‘connectedness’ is really just fear of divine retribution. For evidence, one need only look at what heinous thing people will do to one another when their actions are suddenly sanctioned by their beliefs or spiritual leaders.

Peterh… I hear you.

In case you guys missed it in my post, I list the multiple and varied things that COULD be a possible factor in the development of this violent behaviour. I was trying to demonstrate that it is not as simple as “send ’em to gaol and it will all go away”
I do, however, think that spirituality (in whatever form it may take) can lead to a feeling of connectedness with the world. Organised relegion..well thats another thing all together. But the message at the base of most religions is one of peace and loved. It seems to me that the real messages have got lost along the way and ruined by man, who want to twist things to suit their own agenda.

or they are Liberal voters!

There could be links with the lack of religion/spirituality within our culture than contributes to inner feelings of emptiness and a lack of connecting with the world

Rubbish. Some of the most ignorant, inept, useless bastards I have ever had the displeasure of meeting you could file under relgious or spiritual.

Woody Mann-Caruso1:57 pm 19 Jun 09

There could be links with the lack of religion/spirituality within our culture than contributes to inner feelings of emptiness and a lack of connecting with the world

Yeah, because religious cultures have way less violence than secular cultures.

vg said :

Joshua said :

I know its not politically correct but I’ve always felt that the brave perpetrators of gang bashings when caught should be individually given the opportunity of going 10 or 12 rounds of bare knuckle boxing with an individual of the victim’s choice. For instance if I was the victim or knew the victim I’d pony up the cash to hire the services of the nastiest most dangerous crim currently out on parole.

Why would you want a crim? The guys that put them in there are much tougher

Are you saying that the guys who put them there are much better at bashing people VG?

Qbn Gal said :

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

your kidding!!! do you have a link to a news article?

Two words: Queanbeyan…meh.

Those ten kiddies do need a swift kick to to the testicles.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy1:32 pm 19 Jun 09

Having grown up in Queanbeyan, and spent 6 years at Karabar, I think I’d be fairly close in saying that kids behave like this because the perceived benefits of the behaviour (ie the street cred or revenge factor) outweighs the potential punishment. Kids just aren’t scared of authority.

It’s interesting, though, in that when I went to Karabar, fights were 1 on 1, and it was finished once someone fell down.

Joshua said :

I know its not politically correct but I’ve always felt that the brave perpetrators of gang bashings when caught should be individually given the opportunity of going 10 or 12 rounds of bare knuckle boxing with an individual of the victim’s choice. For instance if I was the victim or knew the victim I’d pony up the cash to hire the services of the nastiest most dangerous crim currently out on parole.

Why would you want a crim? The guys that put them in there are much tougher

Hells_Bells741:24 pm 19 Jun 09

I smoke to chill. I am now paranoid that I get paranoid. Gee thanks FC!

This town needs The Batman.
Pity Bruce Wayne died.

Of course you should be penalised if you decided to go commit a crime against someone who has hurt your kids.
Where does the line get drawn?
I have no kids but should I be above the law if somebody did something to my dog?
What about my car? someone damages it and they don’t get charged then am in my right to take out my own justice (because the law didn’t protect me or provide that justice).
Hell no, there would be anarchy and we would have people running around.
“Eye for an Eye” people would scream. (Then we’d all end up blind?)
But who decides what type of retaliation is appropriate? Generally people wants both eyes and both legs for an eye.
And also – protecting your children is something that should be active, not reactive.

I understand and agree with what you are saying, FC but society is just not fixing the problems that lead to such anti-social and inappropriate behaviours. It is a complex issue that needs a multi-pronged approach. However in the short-term there needs to be some way of immediately stopping the criminal/anti-social behaviour and sometimes jail just has to be that approach.

I also agree with Peterh, I would protect my kids, come hell or high water. However we should not be penalised for protecting our kids, when the system won’t or can’t.

Qbn Gal said :

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

Maybe its a far more complex issue that just the courts handing down sentences.
It could be to do with the social system, education in schools, the addressing of mental health issues in adolescence, positive role models for children/young people who model behaviour that the chidlren may then go on to develop as adults. There could be links with the lack of religion/spirituality within our culture than contributes to inner feelings of emptiness and a lack of connecting with the world, or view of how oneself fits into this world. It could be becuase of the increase in technology/television/videogames that people are spending more time taking part in these activities and less being physically active, and thus have less endorphines happening and have a physical feeling of stagnation, which leads to irritability, which further leads to lashing out and aggression. It could be a result of a care and protection service for young people that is not up to scratch, and children are being abused or neglected and growing up to be disfunctional adults. It could be because the pot nowdays is ‘hydro’ and casuing people to be paranoid rather than chillaxed. It could be a combination of many of these things, or of some, and many other factors that contribute to the creation of violent offenders. Or offenders in general, and then another set of factors go onto contribute to them becoming voilent offenders. Harsher sentencing is not going to stop the continued ‘breeding’ (for lack of a better word) of these type of people.
I would suggest that there anti-social and innappropriate behaviours (ie voilence and offending) is a symptom of another issue (being the issue that needs to be looked at).
All behaviour is functional..
Even my hard to follow posts on Riotact..

Qbn Gal said :

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

and if i was the parent in the same circumstance, I would have reacted to the pedophile the same way. No-one touches my kids, they can deal with me.

“” but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..”

All well and good to espouse vigilante justice, but then the person doling out the vigilante justice gets punished worse than the original offender. Don’t forget the story this week of a father who went after a Paedophile who victimised his kid. Now the father is facing life in jail, while the judge let the Paedophile out because he had been bashed ( boo hoo). Until the justice system starts handing out realistic sentences to these cowardly crims, these sorts of crimes will just continue happening.

It wasn’t that long ago that kids considered it weak and gutless to gang up on one person. Happens all the time now.

Wraith said :

And are the police doing anything??? I would assume these mongrels can be identified.

This always makes be cranky, can’t stand cowards. Shame they are more than likely underage, named and shamed can work well for their so called reputations, but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..

I feel terrible for the poor kid and dad regardless of their side of the story and what he did to cop this. High school my day was simple, you had a run in, you sorted it one on one! Win or lose after that there was still respect.

I’ve spent my 10 cents now, thanks

If one calls for vigilante justice – they need to think. This may have been an act of so called ‘vigilante justice’..

And are the police doing anything??? I would assume these mongrels can be identified.

This always makes be cranky, can’t stand cowards. Shame they are more than likely underage, named and shamed can work well for their so called reputations, but then real fun could begin………..vigilante justice.

Before the cries of foul starts, if the law makers can’t be knackered to do anything, its time to let these monkeys know they can’t just go round getting away with this crap..

I feel terrible for the poor kid and dad regardless of their side of the story and what he did to cop this. High school my day was simple, you had a run in, you sorted it one on one! Win or lose after that there was still respect.

I’ve spent my 10 cents now, thanks

Wow that is horrible.
I can’t begin to imagine the feeling of helplessness the father must have had.
So much for being ‘safe’ because you’re around your old man.
Poor kid, regardless of whatever prompted the attack.

Weaselburger9:37 am 19 Jun 09

whatever happened to a fair fight. Mabye global warming of the global financial crisis is to blame for turning people into cowards, but whatever the reason it’s just shit to read things like this happening in the paper everyday.

I know its not politically correct but I’ve always felt that the brave perpetrators of gang bashings when caught should be individually given the opportunity of going 10 or 12 rounds of bare knuckle boxing with an individual of the victim’s choice. For instance if I was the victim or knew the victim I’d pony up the cash to hire the services of the nastiest most dangerous crim currently out on parole.

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