Katy backflips on cycleway along Majura Parkway

BicycleCanberra 21 May 2012 117

Chief Minister Katy Gallagher stated to me last year that the planned Majura Parkway would have a physically separated cycle path next to the road like the M7 in Sydney:

Katy Gallagher said on 19 August:

Hi, as part of the Majura Parkway project a separate cycle path will be constructed off road along the length of the road similar to that of the M7 in Sydney. It will be similar to Copenhagen except it will be on one side of the road but wide enough for two way bike travel. We will continue to discuss as we undertake final planning for the road with the bicycle advisory group. KG

In a letter to pedal Power Katy Gallagher has stated that there is no money for the separated path. Brendan Nerdal from Pedal Power advocacy says:

An off-road path along Majura Parkway is critical because it allows people who are not confident riding on roads to also ride along that transit corridor.

“We need that facility built today. It will be the cheapest time to do it. To retrofit it later, such as the Gungahlin Drive extension, would cost a fortune.”

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I still don’t understand why ACT doesn’t follow international best practice for cycle infrastructure like other countries:


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smont smont 8:18 pm 21 May 12

gasman said :

Austroads standards specify that on high volume roads at 80km/h and above, the bicycle lane should be physically separated from the road for safety reasons.

Then for God sake can we have our 80 kph roads back in Weston Creek and Woden and get rid of these pathetic “merge straight after a traffic light so we can squeeze a bike lane in” please!!!!

Sandman Sandman 8:13 pm 21 May 12

dtc said :

Myles Peterson said :

And number plates. It’s almost impossible to identify and report a cyclist for dangerous riding.

I presume you are trolling, but anyway – where (this is a serious question) would you put a number play on a bicycle?

It could be printed on the approved hi-visibility vest that would become compulsory to wear under the new “Equality for Cyclists Program”.

As for the cycle way along the M7, I wonder if there is any usage data on it. Can’t say I’ve ever seen more than a handful (number counted on one hand) of cyclists on there each time I travel that road.

yellowsnow yellowsnow 8:05 pm 21 May 12

HenryBG said :

The average Canberra commute, if done on a bicycle, would involve a similar amount of effort to a day’s work – not many people have so little life that they are willing to waste 30% of it just commuting to work, risking heart attacks, repelling work colleagues because of their stink, and having to fork out vastly increased costs on groceries to up their calorie intake to cover all this pointless and endangering effort.

LOL, not sure if you’re serious or trolling – let’s say the former. The average Canberran lives 10-12km from Civic. So let’s assume the average Canberran lives this distance from work (obviously not everyone works in Civic so this is not going to be accurate) – this translates to between 30 mins commute (fit person on road bike) to 50mins (unfit person on mountain bike), perhaps 1 hour absolute max for someone totally unfit or riding on bike paths with lots of road crossings and other obstacles. So for many people door-to-door commutes by bike would be only slightly longer than by car at peak times, and quite likely quicker than the bus (which generally take excessively circuitous routes).

Whether the average person would be willing to expend this kind of energy every day, twice a day, is another question – but a significant proportion of Canberrans do.

Of course in reality many Canberrans have to drop off/pick up kids from school, go shopping, have various health issues etc, and cycling will never attract them as a serious commuting option. But that doesn’t mean infrastructure shouldn’t be targeted at cyclists as they are a significant proportion of taxpayers and also act to take cars off the road, making the roads a little less busy than they would otherwise be for those who insist on driving everywhere

As for calorie intake, that’s just a convenient myth justifying inactivity. Contrary to my own expectations, i find that the more often i cycle the less i have to eat, perhaps because my body gets more efficient at transforming food into energy, and the fitter I am the less energy i need to cover the same distance. Also, on the days i cycle i need to drink less coffee to wake up in the morning, and less alcohol to de-stress after work.

dvaey dvaey 7:13 pm 21 May 12

Felix the Cat said :

AFAIK there are no dedicated “bike paths” in ACT, rather they are shared paths and therefore not suitable for high speed “serious” cycling.

So, let me get this right, because cyclists have difficulty sharing a designated pathway with other users, they should be allowed to share the roadway with other users? Seriously, the very few cyclists I have seen using the on-road cycle lanes are more meandering along, than doing any ‘serious’ ‘high speed’ cycling.

Jethro said :

On a side note, as someone who rides every day I don’t see a problem with requiring people who ride on arterial roads to have a license to do so. There are specific road rules and skill sets that apply to bicycles, and if people want to ride on major roads they shouldn’t have a problem demonstrating them.

No doubt as a cyclist who rides everyday, you’d also like to see others learn the rules, which would then reflect well on all cyclists. If the schools can fund road-ready courses for all students, surely it shouldnt be too hard to fund a cycle safety course/licence.

Deckard Deckard 7:08 pm 21 May 12

Myles Peterson said :

“No-one is saying you must get licence and rego for a bicycle, but, if you want to bring it onto our public roadway, why shouldnt you?”

^this

is getting boring!!

Rollersk8r Rollersk8r 7:04 pm 21 May 12

As a cyclist I reckon the Majura Parkway is badly needed for cars, but not so much for cyclists. All depends where you live and work I suppose. It’s a shame the dual lanes won’t continue all the way through the back of Gungahlin to the Barton Highway.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 6:51 pm 21 May 12

harvyk1 said :

Yeah motorists break the law, if they didn’t there would be no such things as speed camera’s. But here is the difference, a motorist has a big plate with numbers which can be used to track the driver down when they do. As such it is a big disincentive to break the law. A cyclist on the other hand has no such disincentive, and I’ve ever heard of cases where something like receiving a speeding ticket is actually considered a badge of honor among some cycling groups. (Remembering not to tar them all with the same brush).

Here’s the other big difference:

You won’t need more than one hand to count the number of people cyclists, without plates, have killed in Australia over the last couple of decades.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 6:10 pm 21 May 12

“I still don’t understand why ACT doesn’t follow international best practice for cycle infrastructure like other countries:”
Because we aren’t sheep who follow blindly what others do. The Copenhagen example works because they only have to commute roughly 5 km, as opposed to 15 for a suburbanite in the A.C.T.
They have a more condensed population, double that of Canberra, living within an area the size of the Inner North. Hence, why they have more money to spend on infrastructure and why it is polpular enough to be viable. They don’t have to cycle in 35+ heat in summer either. Compare apples with apples.

gasman – I enjoyed reading how you say it’s “cheap” to build this segregated infrastructure. Why has the government declared it too expensive then? If it IS so small an amount, why not do some fund raising and help them out.

As for the suggestions about using the median strip, such as Northbourne, it only works for a block at a time, then you have the intersections to contend with. If you are to turn right, for instance, you have to cross the path of vehicles turning right in order to get to the left of the road where cyclists typically dwell, only during a right green arrow. This creates the need for yet another delay in the traffic light cycle just for bikes, causing increased congestion. Also, you eradicate the only place for light rail or mass transit! Got a solution for this anyone? [Apart from a cycle lane off Majura Rd/Pkwy]

Deref Deref 5:59 pm 21 May 12

HenryBG said :

Canberra ratepayers already pay far more per cyclist on cycling infrastructure than do the taxpayers of Denmark and Holland.

Canberra is not a compact city situated on flat land. The paths we do have already cover a huge extent and are very poorly utilised compared with paths in the places you mention. Canberrans already pay a lot of tax – rego fees for example are the highest in the country – and we do not deserve to be slugged with extra charges to pay for stuff few people want.

If you come up with a scheme to use labour drawn from imprisoned criminals to build you more paths, however, I would be supportive. Especially if there were whips involved.

Simple. Make bike paths tollways with a charge based on, say, a 20 year payback.

yellowsnow yellowsnow 5:38 pm 21 May 12

ma7trlb said :

Maybe Katy should add “Katy on two wheels” to her “Katy on the buses” routine, and maybe get Tony Gill to take her for a ride down the road. She’d pretty quickly change the plans I’d reckon. It does seem a bit odd that the access to one of our premier MTB areas should be so poorly accessible by bike?

Actually, if you look at the plans for the Majura Parkway you’ll see that the freeway will cut right through the middle of Majura Pines. So no more single-track MTBing in idyllic forest, and presumably no more need for cyclists to get there! Maybe that’s Katy’s logic

HenryBG said :

The paths we do have already cover a huge extent and are very poorly utilised compared with paths in the places you mention.

I reckon ACT bike paths are quite well utilised, and an excellent return on investment – it’s the bike LANES which are underused, primarily because most cyclists consider them as too dangerous. Little wonder – most are just rebadged breakdown lanes with a gravelly surface and traffic zooming past at 80-100kmh alongside. I love cycling, but that’s not my idea of fun!

Kath Kath 5:35 pm 21 May 12

I for one am tired of my tax dollars subsidising roads for motor vehicles (have you SEEN how many of those fail to obey the road rules??) when there are still weird gaps in the cycle paths around Canberra. 😉

More seriously, it’s better to build in the bike paths now than to wait and inconvenience everyone who uses the road when they are finally considered necessary. Assuming that they ever are, since only really bullet-proof people will ride on the road and that will make it seem like a poor investment in people moving to put in a cycleway.

harvyk1 harvyk1 5:32 pm 21 May 12

Felix the Cat said :

AFAIK there are no dedicated “bike paths” in ACT, rather they are shared paths and therefore not suitable for high speed “serious” cycling.

Well they are obviously suitable enough considering the number of serious cyclists I have spoken to who do use them.

Felix the Cat said :

Keep making generalised statements about cyclists breaking the law and the cyclists will keep making generalised staements about motorists and how they break the law.

Yeah motorists break the law, if they didn’t there would be no such things as speed camera’s. But here is the difference, a motorist has a big plate with numbers which can be used to track the driver down when they do. As such it is a big disincentive to break the law. A cyclist on the other hand has no such disincentive, and I’ve ever heard of cases where something like receiving a speeding ticket is actually considered a badge of honor among some cycling groups. (Remembering not to tar them all with the same brush).

watto23 watto23 5:05 pm 21 May 12

What I don’t understand in this whole debate with cyclists, is why cyclists want to follow the road, via on road cycleways?
Maybe i’m not a hardcore cyclist, but I far prefer riding on cyclepaths than I do on the road.
So for Majura road a path closer to the hills would be more preferable IMO.

I have a cycle path map and often find the cycle paths a more direct, enjoyable and easier way to travel, or am I missing something….. I’d rather that more cycle path be built to link places together. How about a more direct cycle paths between town centres?

Jethro Jethro 5:01 pm 21 May 12

I see HenryBG is again ranting against investment in cycling infrastructure on this thread, whilst ranting against climate change denialists on another thread.

Sorry HenryBG, if you accept the science of climate change but refuse to accept that a lower carbon future is going to involve investing in transport infrastructure that reduces our reliance on cars, you are worse than the denialists, because at least they’re not hypocrites.

On a side note, as someone who rides every day I don’t see a problem with requiring people who ride on arterial roads to have a license to do so. There are specific road rules and skill sets that apply to bicycles, and if people want to ride on major roads they shouldn’t have a problem demonstrating them.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 4:54 pm 21 May 12

harvyk1 said :

I’ve lost count of the number of “serious” cyclists who chose to ride on the road, when there is a perfectly good cycle path running parallel to the road less than 2 meters away. It’s not as though those paths are not suitable for cyclists considering there are cyclists put there who do use them. It’s just the majority of “serious” cyclists I see are the first to refuse to use them, the first to ignore road rules when they don’t suit and the first to cry how it’s all unfair and how other countries do such a better job of looking after cyclists.

AFAIK there are no dedicated “bike paths” in ACT, rather they are shared paths and therefore not suitable for high speed “serious” cycling.

Keep making generalised statements about cyclists breaking the law and the cyclists will keep making generalised staements about motorists and how they break the law.

Baldy Baldy 4:19 pm 21 May 12

johnboy said :

Is the truck driver wearing his seatbelt?

+1 Bravo johnboy. Good come back.

el el 4:12 pm 21 May 12

Katy backflips on cycleway along Majura Parkway

What sort of bike was she riding?

Pics/video or it didn’t happen.

Erg0 Erg0 3:59 pm 21 May 12

harvyk1 said :

johnboy said :

Is the truck driver wearing his seatbelt?

What truck driver? If he is in there he can’t see out because he has a blue tarp in place of the windscreen.

Also, he’s probably juiced up on pep pills, with pupils smaller than purely theoretical particles.

Myles Peterson Myles Peterson 3:46 pm 21 May 12

“No-one is saying you must get licence and rego for a bicycle, but, if you want to bring it onto our public roadway, why shouldnt you?”

^this

harvyk1 harvyk1 3:42 pm 21 May 12

johnboy said :

Is the truck driver wearing his seatbelt?

What truck driver? If he is in there he can’t see out because he has a blue tarp in place of the windscreen.

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