Keep left on Gininderra Drive

JC 10 September 2013 119

On Gininderra Drive there are keep left unless over taking signs west bound going up the hill just before the intersection with Gungahlin Drive and east bound just past the intersection with Kingsford Smith Drive.

Under the road rules keep left unless overtaking applies on roads with a speed limit greater than 80km/h or where signs as described above are seen. In relation to the signs the road rules say that it applies:

Rule 130

(3) A keep left unless overtaking sign on a multi-lane road applies to the length of road beginning at the sign and ending at the nearest of the following:
(a) an end keep left unless overtaking sign on the road;
(b) a traffic sign or road marking on the road that indicates that the road is no longer a multi-lane road;
(c) if the road ends at a T–intersection or dead end — the end of the road.

So the way I read that keep left applies more or less between Kingsford Smith Drive and Moat Street. Now of course no one every obeys this rule, but I find it odd that the whole stretch is considered under the rules to be a keep left unless overtaking road zone, but it only has signs at each end. How are those that enter from the numerous sides roads meant to know.

ACT government should either remove the signs, or put up repeater signs after each intersection and of course enforce the rule is the latter was done.


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p1 p1 10:53 am 10 Sep 13

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

pptvb pptvb 11:17 am 10 Sep 13

p1 said :

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

But, if you’re turning right into Dunlop, don’t you have to get into the right hand lane at Lyneham?

It’s the same as all the dickheads who get into the right hand lane after Jerrabomberra Ave, on Hindmarsh Dr. They have to turn right at Woden, or the hospital, or Duffy….
The REALLY special ones immediately jump into the RHL, then force their way into the left to turn up Yamba Dr.
Every day…same thing.

beardedclam beardedclam 11:26 am 10 Sep 13

pptvb said :

p1 said :

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

But, if you’re turning right into Dunlop, don’t you have to get into the right hand lane at Lyneham?

It’s the same as all the dickheads who get into the right hand lane after Jerrabomberra Ave, on Hindmarsh Dr. They have to turn right at Woden, or the hospital, or Duffy….
The REALLY special ones immediately jump into the RHL, then force their way into the left to turn up Yamba Dr.
Every day…same thing.

10 kph under the limit.

p1 said :

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

+1000000

thebrownstreak69 thebrownstreak69 11:33 am 10 Sep 13

p1 said :

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

In Canberra? Really?

Innovation Innovation 11:35 am 10 Sep 13

Unless we get an increased police presence on the roads and regular retesting nothing is ever going to happen to fix these poor driving practices. Both of these improved (extra) services could be paid for by increasing on road fines.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 11:37 am 10 Sep 13

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

Setting aside that your attempt to handwave the law is laughable:

Not speeding? You won’t care if I’m in the right lane.
Speeding? I don’t care what you think.

Innovation Innovation 11:39 am 10 Sep 13

Mind you, I don’t think Canberra is any worse than elsewhere in the nation. For example, the F3 is a complete joke with all of the middle lane and right hand lane hogs. The resultant undertaking, on a three land road, is downright scary to watch and I’ve seen several near misses when two overtaking cars, on the left and right, then try to occupy the middle lane at the same time.

Mooey Mooey 11:47 am 10 Sep 13

Yes it’s about courtesy (or lack thereof) which is probably a factor in the majority of road ‘issues’ in Australia. Merging, blocking intersections even road rage would all be better with a bit of consideration for other drivers.

There’s also the safety aspect too – as per this analysis – http://blog.privatefleet.com.au/home/keeping-left-unless-overtaking-part-2/

Driving in Europe, not keeping left is just not tolerated.

Mooey Mooey 11:48 am 10 Sep 13

Innovation said :

…I’ve seen several near misses when two overtaking cars, on the left and right, then try to occupy the middle lane at the same time.

And did you beep them to warn them?

ThatGuy ThatGuy 11:49 am 10 Sep 13

Keeping left only to have no-one let you in when you need to turn right is probably 90% of the problem.

Courtesy, courtesy is the key. Courteously keep left, courteously let cars that indicate into ‘your’ lane rather than speeding up in an arrogant flap.

Until all drivers up their courtesy levels we’re all doomed to the relative perils of Canberra driving.

#canberrliving #baddrivers #somecyclistreference

watto23 watto23 11:49 am 10 Sep 13

Innovation said :

Mind you, I don’t think Canberra is any worse than elsewhere in the nation. For example, the F3 is a complete joke with all of the middle lane and right hand lane hogs. The resultant undertaking, on a three land road, is downright scary to watch and I’ve seen several near misses when two overtaking cars, on the left and right, then try to occupy the middle lane at the same time.

Then compare Canberra to Europe, where sitting in the left hand lane there is considered a greater offence than speeding itself. I had little issue with traffic flow on busy highways in Europe. Yes it stills happens, but its such a nice and more pleasant way to drive.

I see it all the time on the parkway, I overtake a car and then return to the left lane, then next car i want to overtake i look in the mirror then turn my head and there is some guy sitting in my blindspot doing about the same speed as me with no car in sight in the left hand lane.

Same with merging to form 1 lane. Instead of merging they sit as wide on the left or right as possible where the car in front can’t see them.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 11:50 am 10 Sep 13

With the lack of police presence there is only one thing that we as a community can do to prevent this. Tailgate the driver in the right hand lane, flash headlights and repeatedly beep the horn. That’ll teach ’em.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 12:08 pm 10 Sep 13

p1 said :

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

How is it courteous to keep left?

ThatGuy ThatGuy 12:09 pm 10 Sep 13

johnboy said :

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I’m trying to update my image. Baby steps.

Yolo, crosffit, #thuglife.

MrBigEars MrBigEars 12:55 pm 10 Sep 13

My theory is that in keeping left keep the right hand lane open increases the options for other drivers. In the event of a vehicle in front rapidly slowing down, drivers have the option of changing lanes, which isn’t an option if there’s a vehicle beside or just behind doing roughly the same speed for significant periods of time. If all they can do is also rapidly slow down, then there is a cluster of slow moving vehicles, which disrupts the flow of traffic. Laminar flow of water is more efficient than turbulent flow is my idea.

Of course, this theory is predicated on people being aware of the position and speed of other road users, so probably falls apart right there. I don’t care. I just think it works better to keep left, so I keep left. Rest of you arshhats can do what you want.

AmarooStu AmarooStu 1:46 pm 10 Sep 13

I spoke with TAMS on this issue only last week….. in speaking with a Public Servant from the ACT Gummint [02 6207 5225], I was duly advised that it is up to ACT Policing to enforce this rule, not for TAMS to put up more signs.

So, ACT Traffic Police got a tweet from me…..their reply – they will take it into consideration as it is a Driver Education issue with regard to the Road Rule.

p1 p1 1:54 pm 10 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

How is it courteous to keep left?

My reasoning:

1. Not everybody’s speedo reads the same. Just because you think you are doing “exactly” the speedlimit does not mean you are. And even if you are, it doesn’t mean I don’t also think I am doing the speedlimit.
2. In the event that two cars are doing the exactly the same speed, close to each other, having them in the same lane (by convention, the left) means that someone wishing to pass can do so, rather then having to follow for km after km while they sit side by side.
3. If every driver (not otherwise engaged in overtaking, preparing to turn, etc) occupied the same default road position it would make it easier to everyone else to predict there behaviour (thus making it safer, and making traffic flow more smoothly).

There are many reasons the above might not apply to you at any one moment, but there is also, during any one trip, a time when another road user in my vicinity sits in the right lane for no reason other than they want to. Sometimes it is a requirement of the road rules, other times not. I maintain that it is impolite.

Aeek Aeek 1:59 pm 10 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

p1 said :

Or, you know, people could keep left as a matter of courtesy whether it is legal or not.

How is it courteous to keep left?

It is, unless you don’t think about what you are doing. It’s downright hostile when the onramp is full and the right lane is empty.

magiccar9 magiccar9 2:18 pm 10 Sep 13

ThatGuy said :

Courtesy, courtesy is the key. Courteously keep left, courteously let cars that indicate into ‘your’ lane rather than speeding up in an arrogant flap.

Oh right, let in cars who indicate and try to get into a non-existent gap. I’ll continue to not let people in when it’s clearly on them to indicate and change lanes when a suitable gap is presented. No, this doesn’t mean making the other car slow down to make such a gap!

JimmyJimBob JimmyJimBob 3:10 pm 10 Sep 13

magiccar9 said :

ThatGuy said :

Courtesy, courtesy is the key. Courteously keep left, courteously let cars that indicate into ‘your’ lane rather than speeding up in an arrogant flap.

Oh right, let in cars who indicate and try to get into a non-existent gap. I’ll continue to not let people in when it’s clearly on them to indicate and change lanes when a suitable gap is presented. No, this doesn’t mean making the other car slow down to make such a gap!

^ Everything wrong with driving in Canberra. ^

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