Kings Highway to re-open today

johnboy 26 April 2012 23

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The ABC brings word that the long awaited re-opening of the Kings Highway, after the Pooh Corner landlside, is going to happen this afternoon.

This will no doubt be a relief to the whole regional economy and coast house owners throughout the region.

Also, while nervous nellies in Government like to put a clarifying “bear” into “Pooh Bear Corner” we feel that A.A. Milne’s original would be all the worse for this preventative bowdlerism. You’re smart enough to know we’re talking about a fictional bear.

UPDATE 26/04/12 09:27: For those who’ve been mislead by the Canberra Times the RTA confirms the midday today opening.

The RTA have produced a bunch of photos showing the work they’ve been doing which we thought deserving of repeating here:


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EvanJames EvanJames 9:54 pm 18 May 12

They’re closing it again on 23rd May (next week) to blow up a giant boulder. It’ll be all day, 6am to midnight. Info here:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadprojects/projects/south_eastern_region/kings_hwy/index.html

Sandman Sandman 9:23 pm 29 Apr 12

Are you serious? Araluen as a viable cost effective alternative? You obviously haven’t been through there or if you have you were too busy nervously clutching the steering wheel of your beige Camry to notice the terrain that would need to be overcome.

So the highway gets closed for a couple of days a year. Venice floods every winter and the shopkeepers in St Marks Square cope with an ocean that’s a foot higher than their floor without whining. Dunno why you’d want to go to Batemans Bay anyway. ‘Tis a bit of a hole.

Sandman Sandman 9:16 pm 29 Apr 12

DanielK said :

Thanks dvaey, cafand I-filed for your comments. a real discussion; now where to start?

Lots of unsealed roads between Kings and SnowyMountains Highways, very few transport corridors, gives us a fairly empty slate to begin with. The route mentioned near Captains Flat, Majors Creek, Araluenand moruyais just an example,but one which may well prove viable.

it can provide a route which traverses a minimum of state forest land (no national parks and quite
less than the Kings Hwy now does), involves a wide area through which a cost-effective route could
be chosen and connects towns which are not well served with major roads. We can select a route
based on cost-effective 21st century roadbuilding technology, rather than following 19thcentury coach
or wagon tracks.

The cost of land and roadbuilding will be much less than required for the M7

Most importantly it should save lives, disabilities,injuries, cost of repairs etc. A saving of 30 – 45mins (25% – 35%) off a trip is very important to most people, particularly if you combine it with the use of average speed cameras to keep the racers at bay (and contribute to costs).

And once this is shown to be a serious but more costly alternative to upgrading the Kings,it shouldn’t take long for vested NSW interests to demand the Kings Hwy be upgraded immediately. At least something wil be done

We don’t needtopurchase

DanielK DanielK 1:46 am 29 Apr 12

Thanks dvaey, cafand I-filed for your comments. a real discussion; now where to start?

Lots of unsealed roads between Kings and SnowyMountains Highways, very few transport corridors, gives us a fairly empty slate to begin with. The route mentioned near Captains Flat, Majors Creek, Araluenand moruyais just an example,but one which may well prove viable.

it can provide a route which traverses a minimum of state forest land (no national parks and quite
less than the Kings Hwy now does), involves a wide area through which a cost-effective route could
be chosen and connects towns which are not well served with major roads. We can select a route
based on cost-effective 21st century roadbuilding technology, rather than following 19thcentury coach
or wagon tracks.

The cost of land and roadbuilding will be much less than required for the M7

Most importantly it should save lives, disabilities,injuries, cost of repairs etc. A saving of 30 – 45mins (25% – 35%) off a trip is very important to most people, particularly if you combine it with the use of average speed cameras to keep the racers at bay (and contribute to costs).

And once this is shown to be a serious but more costly alternative to upgrading the Kings,it shouldn’t take long for vested NSW interests to demand the Kings Hwy be upgraded immediately. At least something wil be done

We don’t needtopurchase

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 9:13 pm 28 Apr 12

Came through Kings Hwy this morning and the repaired site was barely noticeable as the scene of mayhem we saw just days earlier.

The Nerriga Rd was fine too and a very scenic drive. Will definitely go that way again some time – especially for a spot of rock-climbing right next to the roadside. (Twice as long though…)

Can’t understand some people’s concern about the unsealed sections. The bit on the hill was fine and smooth and just a little windy. There was more unsealed roadworks on the Kings Hwy.

Turpentine Rd was one of the best unsealed roads I’ve ever driven on. If it wasn’t for people coming the other way, you could easily do 100 on it.

dvaey dvaey 1:44 pm 28 Apr 12

DanielK said :

Is there enough traffic to warrant a tollway, privately or part privately owned? Ideally such a tollway could be built on the most direct route to the coast, probably around 100kms or so. Eg Williamsdale, Captain Flat, Majors creek, Araluen to Moruya.

Once again, someone has been looking at a map and drawing a straight line, while having no idea of the terrain of the area. There is also the issue that almost any route chosen will traverse a large part of several national parks. As nice as it would be to save half an hour on the occasional drive to the coast, I sure hope our countrys government doesnt decide that this is worth sacrificing the protection of national parks.

How does this work for residents of Bungendore or Braidwood travelling to Canberra? How does it work for someone who lives on a farm and drives 15km along the road to get to town? This road is used by more than just the traffic that terminates at each end of the Kings Highway.

DanielK said :

Would you pay five or ten dollars toll one way for a safe modern road, cutting down casualties and crash costs to communities and individuals alike? And the saving in fuel costs, travel time handcar wear and tear.

To take the RTAs figures for the Nerriga roadworks (this was simply resealing and upgrading an existing route), they spent $95mil for 54km of road (approx 1.7mil per km). To build the suggested route of approx 100km (assuming no difficult terrain), with those costings you’d be looking at $170m-$200m..

Now, with a $10 toll for the road, you only need 20 million cars to pay that toll, to break even. (Or in other words, every Canberra resident has to visit the coast 60 times).

The numbers just arent feasible.

However, one method I think could contribute greatly would be if the NSW government decided to turn the existing speed detection devices into speed enforcement devices, I believe they could make a nice little income to more than cover the maintance costs of the road. Each of the electronic signs located along the highway, contains a speed radar which is used to advise

From RTA’s website about Kings Highway, “Roads and Maritime Services has placed speed radars on the two electronic message signs that show road safety messages and let motorists know when they are exceeding the speed limit.”

Why on earth are they installing radars on such a deadly road, that only show ‘safety messages and let motorists know when they are exceeding the speed limit’, without any form of enforcement? I would be seriously interested to know how many vehicles travel past these speed detection devices while exceeding the speed limit.

I-filed I-filed 8:29 am 28 Apr 12

DanielK said :

Would you pay five or ten dollars toll one way for a safe modern road, cutting down casualties and crash costs to communities and individuals alike? And the saving in fuel costs, travel time handcar wear and tear.

Any saving to the health system can be picked up by the government, thanks.

Roundhead89 Roundhead89 6:54 am 28 Apr 12

GBT said :

Snarky said :

Speaking of names on that stretch of road, where did the name “Government Bend” come from at the base of the mountain?

You mean Government Bend Over, which someone helpfully renamed it for many years.

I remember driving past it once and on the next signpost someone had put up a sign saying Anarchy Angle.

Overheard Overheard 6:47 am 28 Apr 12

GBT said :

Snarky said :

Speaking of names on that stretch of road, where did the name “Government Bend” come from at the base of the mountain?

You mean Government Bend Over, which someone helpfully renamed it for many years.

It was pretty Benny Hill stuff but for some reason always got a bit of a giggle from me on one of the 27 365 times I’ve driven past it.

I loved the way the RTA would keep painting over “over” and graffiti (and smart arse) artists would reinstate the school boy humour.

Until they got wise and shortened the sign so the extra letters wouldn’t fit! Comedy gold.

caf caf 11:38 pm 27 Apr 12

DanielK said :

Is there enough traffic to warrant a tollway, privately or part privately owned? Ideally such a tollway could be built on the most direct route to the coast, probably around 100kms or so. Eg Williamsdale, Captain Flat, Majors creek, Araluen to Moruya.

Would you pay five or ten dollars toll one way for a safe modern road, cutting down casualties and crash costs to communities and individuals alike? And the saving in fuel costs, travel time handcar wear and tear.

There is absolutely no way that this would be anywhere near economically viable. Just compare it with, for example, Sydney’s M7 which is shorter, passes through much less difficult terrain, has an order of magnitude higher traffic and a higher toll than your proposal.

DanielK DanielK 10:50 pm 27 Apr 12

Is there enough traffic to warrant a tollway, privately or part privately owned? Ideally such a tollway could be built on the most direct route to the coast, probably around 100kms or so. Eg Williamsdale, Captain Flat, Majors creek, Araluen to Moruya.

Would you pay five or ten dollars toll one way for a safe modern road, cutting down casualties and crash costs to communities and individuals alike? And the saving in fuel costs, travel time handcar wear and tear.

Me no fry Me no fry 9:27 am 27 Apr 12

dvaey said :

If you dont want geography to get in the way of roads leading to the coast, live on the Eastern side of the Great Dividing Range…

…The problem is the ‘alternative’ routes take you either 120km north or 150km south of Batemans Bay, and add significantly to the travel time. These roads need money spent on them for their own reasons, but should not receive funding just for being an alternative to the Kings.
.

I do live to the east of the Great Dividing Range. The traffic goes both ways, you know.

I don’t agree that money should not be spent on alternative routes to the Kings Highway – even if the money is spent on an existing alternative, rather than a new alternative.

goggles13 goggles13 5:39 pm 26 Apr 12

dvaey said :

never suggested they aren’t doing enough, but the loss of the kings highway does have an effect on tourism and trade, which some people rely on for their livelihood. keeping idiots off the road should not be a reason to undertake road works.

the blockage of Brown Mountain was overcome by having a viable sealed alternative, albeit part of the Snowy Highway north of Bombala was a bit ordinary!

dvaey dvaey 5:00 pm 26 Apr 12

I travelled this road this afternoon, the landslide site has been cleaned up very nicely.

It appears there were actually two landslides in the area, with the Western one being at least twice the size of the Eastern one.

Me no fry said :

Rather than continually repairing or upgrading the Kings Highway, a road whose potential is always going to be limited by geography, would it not be better perhaps to punch a new road through at some other point – via Araluen, perhaps?

If you dont want geography to get in the way of roads leading to the coast, live on the Eastern side of the Great Dividing Range. There is a good reason why it is called that, it is great and it divides the coast from the inland. There is a road ‘punched through’ from Araluen, and if you had ever travelled it and seen the landscape around it, youd understand why there are no real alternative passes over the mountain.

goggles13 said :

it might be viable to spend a bit of money upgrading at least one of the alternative routes that NSW Roads and Maritime Dept recommended when the Kings Highway was closed.

The Kings needs money more than the Snowy Mountains and Illawarra highways. The other ‘alternative’ route through Nerriga has had nearly $100mil spent on resealing in the last couple of years. The problem is the ‘alternative’ routes take you either 120km north or 150km south of Batemans Bay, and add significantly to the travel time. These roads need money spent on them for their own reasons, but should not receive funding just for being an alternative to the Kings.

goggles13 said :

surely it wouldn’t cost much to pave 3km or 18km of dirt

It wouldnt, but given that they just spent nearly 100mil sealing 50km of that road, I think its a bit rich to suggest theyre not doing enough. Besides, being dirt keeps the idiots off the roads which leads to much lower maintanance costs.

Snarky Snarky 2:20 pm 26 Apr 12

goggles13 said :

surely it wouldn’t cost much to pave 3km or 18km of dirt

Roads are effin’ expensive.

In 2005 The NSW RTA estimated some regional roads around Inverell would cost about $185,000 per km for reconstruction, and these were already blacktop with proper roadbase. A dirt road down a mountain into a proper two-lanes-each-way road? Dunno, but I wouldn’t mind betting the better part of $500,000 per km to start with and expect it to go higher. Heck, at the time of the GDE construction some of us here on RA calculated back that a bike path was costing about $100,000 a km!

goggles13 goggles13 1:50 pm 26 Apr 12

Me no fry said :

tate_alec said :

“From 1942 to 1944, the 14th Battalion of the Volunteer Defence Corps manned a shelter at a place which is now known as Pooh Bear’s Corner on Clyde Mountain. From this shelter they would trigger demolition charges under the King’s Highway between Braidwood and Bateman’s Bay. This was part of a plan to prevent any possible Japanese invasion party who might land at Bateman’s Bay from advancing on Canberra, the Nation’s Capital.”

…and 67 years after the war ended, the road still serves as a very good barrier to traffic wanting/needing to drive from the coast to Canberra.

It’s good the road is reopened – too late, unfortunately, to save me a quick trip to Canberra via Brown Mountain (a place that looks in imminent danger of its own massive landslide – while they’re still repairing the last one).

Rather than continually repairing or upgrading the Kings Highway, a road whose potential is always going to be limited by geography, would it not be better perhaps to punch a new road through at some other point – via Araluen, perhaps? And by building a new road, making it divided, straight, and with plenty of overtaking opportunities?

agree.

it might be viable to spend a bit of money upgrading at least one of the alternative routes that NSW Roads and Maritime Dept recommended when the Kings Highway was closed.

surely it wouldn’t cost much to pave 3km or 18km of dirt

GBT GBT 12:50 pm 26 Apr 12

Snarky said :

Speaking of names on that stretch of road, where did the name “Government Bend” come from at the base of the mountain?

You mean Government Bend Over, which someone helpfully renamed it for many years.

poetix poetix 12:19 pm 26 Apr 12

You mean the cave wasn’t a toilet? (Someone had to say it.)

Snarky Snarky 11:49 am 26 Apr 12

Speaking of names on that stretch of road, where did the name “Government Bend” come from at the base of the mountain?

Me no fry Me no fry 11:38 am 26 Apr 12

tate_alec said :

“From 1942 to 1944, the 14th Battalion of the Volunteer Defence Corps manned a shelter at a place which is now known as Pooh Bear’s Corner on Clyde Mountain. From this shelter they would trigger demolition charges under the King’s Highway between Braidwood and Bateman’s Bay. This was part of a plan to prevent any possible Japanese invasion party who might land at Bateman’s Bay from advancing on Canberra, the Nation’s Capital.”

…and 67 years after the war ended, the road still serves as a very good barrier to traffic wanting/needing to drive from the coast to Canberra.

It’s good the road is reopened – too late, unfortunately, to save me a quick trip to Canberra via Brown Mountain (a place that looks in imminent danger of its own massive landslide – while they’re still repairing the last one).

Rather than continually repairing or upgrading the Kings Highway, a road whose potential is always going to be limited by geography, would it not be better perhaps to punch a new road through at some other point – via Araluen, perhaps? And by building a new road, making it divided, straight, and with plenty of overtaking opportunities?

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