26 October 2010

Kingston murder accused pleads not guilty

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As the wheels of justice in the ACT grind ever slower the ABC informs that the Kingston murder trial has been heard long enough for the young female accused to plead not guilty.

This comes two years after Cameron Anderson was knifed through the heart and left hanging on the play equipment of the Telopea Park childcare centre.

The trial is now adjourned until next year.

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screaming banshee said :

Seek help, and read the judgement in full please before you comment any further.

It’s not the judgment in question for me screaming, it is the system.

I have difficulty accepting a decision by the ACT Courts, due to their reputation. Guilty or not guilty.

This is the real worry. We need faith in our judiciary. ACT has slipped.

Higgins didn’t allow certain evidence in the trial, which would’ve shed a bit of light on some things. That’s all I’ll say about that and no, I won’t be less vague 🙂

screaming banshee said :

So you think normal sex involves abrasions to the mans penis and vaginal tearing do you gillespie?

He’s doing it wrong! No surprise there really.

But seriously, just by reading the judgement, it’s obvious to blind freddy that girl has some serious issues. I’m not 100% convinced of the idea that she acted in self defence. There are rather a lot of unknowns. Given the amount of sentiment to that nature, it seems plausible that a jury trial may have had a different outcome to the judge only trial.

Then there’s the further question of whether a manslaughter charge might have been successful? All round, not a real good outcome for anyone in my opinion.

screaming banshee said :

So you think normal sex involves abrasions to the mans penis and vaginal tearing do you gillespie?

And perhaps that all women that regard themselves as lesbian, just need a good knob gobbling to come to their senses?

Seek help, and read the judgement in full please before you comment any further.

Don’t know where you came up with whole coming to their senses stuff.

But it was a mark consistant with sucking, or from friction, Mr Higgins “decided” that it was from friction.

I have had consesual sex that has had injuries – it happens specially when being amourous.

So how did he get her on to the ground, how did he get her pants off without damaging them, why did she agree to walk home with him if she didn’t like him – there’s just too many questions.

As I said, you have your opinion, I can respect that, I don’t agree with it. You don’t have to agree with mine, but you have to get it into your head that not everyone thinks she is innocent.

screaming banshee1:00 pm 12 Mar 11

So you think normal sex involves abrasions to the mans penis and vaginal tearing do you gillespie?

And perhaps that all women that regard themselves as lesbian, just need a good knob gobbling to come to their senses?

Seek help, and read the judgement in full please before you comment any further.

Mr Gillespie said :

……Hmm there was forensic evidence which suggested that intercourse had taken place, as well as evidence to suggest she likes to gobble knob. The only way that can be turned into rape is if the “victim” says its rape…….

That’s the thing y’see. The forensic evidence only proves intercourse took place. It doesn’t prove it was “rape”. How can you prove it was rape? The judge only has her word of whether she said it was rape and she may have said it was only to get a lighter sentence (or in this case, an acquittal).

In any case, the excuse wouldn’t justify intentionally killing someone unless self-defence really can be proven. The sex is not relevant.

Actually due to bleeding and tearing it suggested forcible intercourse rather than consensual intercourse, I say again did you actually read it? Of course it’s possible this lesbian secretly gets off on extremely rough sex with men in public places…or maybe he raped her. There were also witness statements and other anecdotal evidence suggesting rape.

Self-defence doesn’t have to be proven, the burden of proof is on the prosecution in criminal trials. You don’t seem to know a lot about this…

I’m surprised that despite the evidence and the Court’s decision, the armchair detectives here honestly think that rather than her being attacked, and fighting back, it’s genuinely more likely she’s a psycho who stabs people just for lols and then is able to successfully make up lies that easily convince multiple doctors, police investigators and a judge.

Mr Gillespie10:42 am 12 Mar 11

……Hmm there was forensic evidence which suggested that intercourse had taken place, as well as evidence to suggest she likes to gobble knob. The only way that can be turned into rape is if the “victim” says its rape…….

That’s the thing y’see. The forensic evidence only proves intercourse took place. It doesn’t prove it was “rape”. How can you prove it was rape? The judge only has her word of whether she said it was rape and she may have said it was only to get a lighter sentence (or in this case, an acquittal).

In any case, the excuse wouldn’t justify intentionally killing someone unless self-defence really can be proven. The sex is not relevant.

gp6 said :

Mr Gillespie said :

gp6 said :

natalie89 said :

olfella said :

…….You feel for her? I was a close friend of camerons, and I will be attending the trial. You should be ‘feeling’ for his close friends and family who had no choice but to lose him because of her.

Shouldn’t rape people then?

Are you SURE she was “raped”?? because We only have her word for that. No proof, no forensic evidence, no case (although Justice Higgins takes her word as gospel though and further, throws out a murder case because of it).

Did you go to the trial or read the judgment? There was very strong evidence including a lot of forensic evidence. Bear in mind how hard it is to get evidence for rape at all.

“Thrown out” usually means the charges were dismissed btw, not that the defendant was acquitted.

Hmm there was forensic evidence which suggested that intercourse had taken place, as well as evidence to suggest she likes to gobble knob. The only way that can be turned into rape is if the “victim” says its rape.

She’s crazy, he probably shouldn’t have left with a crazy person.

You don’t know what happened, I don’t know what happened, you have your opinion, my opinion is she’s crazy stabbed him a couple of times, left to bleed to death like an animal while she went home and had some tea…

Mr Gillespie said :

gp6 said :

natalie89 said :

olfella said :

…….You feel for her? I was a close friend of camerons, and I will be attending the trial. You should be ‘feeling’ for his close friends and family who had no choice but to lose him because of her.

Shouldn’t rape people then?

Are you SURE she was “raped”?? because We only have her word for that. No proof, no forensic evidence, no case (although Justice Higgins takes her word as gospel though and further, throws out a murder case because of it).

Did you go to the trial or read the judgment? There was very strong evidence including a lot of forensic evidence. Bear in mind how hard it is to get evidence for rape at all.

“Thrown out” usually means the charges were dismissed btw, not that the defendant was acquitted.

Mr Gillespie9:55 pm 11 Mar 11

gp6 said :

natalie89 said :

olfella said :

…….You feel for her? I was a close friend of camerons, and I will be attending the trial. You should be ‘feeling’ for his close friends and family who had no choice but to lose him because of her.

Shouldn’t rape people then?

Are you SURE she was “raped”?? because We only have her word for that. No proof, no forensic evidence, no case (although Justice Higgins takes her word as gospel though and further, throws out a murder case because of it).

natalie89 said :

olfella said :

left hanging?? I heard he bled to death.

I feel for the girl involved. Wouldn’t you want this sort of thing to be over and done with by now?

You feel for her? I was a close friend of camerons, and I will be attending the trial. You should be ‘feeling’ for his close friends and family who had no choice but to lose him because of her.

Shouldn’t rape people then?

olfella said :

left hanging?? I heard he bled to death.

I feel for the girl involved. Wouldn’t you want this sort of thing to be over and done with by now?

You feel for her? I was a close friend of camerons, and I will be attending the trial. You should be ‘feeling’ for his close friends and family who had no choice but to lose him because of her.

I recently attended a murder trial after about 18 months of adjournment. As it turned out, the witnesses’ testimonies beared little resemblance to what was reported in the press (including the ABC, although the ABC tended to be the most accurate). Even when the transcript of the court proceeding became available to the reporters at the end of the day, they would still sometimes get it completely the wrong way round. At one point, the judge alerted the jury to this and reminded them to make their decision on the (very thorough) evidence they heard in court, not on what they read in the press.

So please, unless you are going to attend the trial and hear what the jury is hearing, don’t judge based on what you read in the press.

I feel for his mother, she has lost a son to the alleged murder.

olfella said :

left hanging?? I heard he bled to death.

I feel for the girl involved. Wouldn’t you want this sort of thing to be over and done with by now?

So that she can start her sentence or that she can walk the streets Anu Singh style?

left hanging?? I heard he bled to death. I feel for the girl involved. Wouldn’t you want this sort of thing to be over and done with by now?

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