Labor deserves 3rd term?

iCanberran 27 July 2008 55

The ABC reports that Jon Stanhope has declared that Labour deserves a 3rd term.

I for one agree entirely 100%!Comrade Stanhope has earned our respect and a 3rd term for Labor with his commitment to Canberra and his hard work to improve the lives of Canberrans.  

He and Labor have greatly reduced hospital waiting times, reduced class sizesimproved education, invested in adequate road links for Gunghalin, made sound development decisions, refrained from interfering with the judicial process, cleaned up Civic, made land affordable, made housing and renting affordable, reduced homelessness

Well, a lot of stuff I guess.


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Aeek Aeek 12:54 am 30 Jul 08

Lets have the dragway right on the border, so convenient.
Even better, make it a 24/7 firework area.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 10:55 pm 29 Jul 08

As a NSW resident, I support the idea that the ACT govt provide a dragstrip so I can enjoy this sport at minimal cost.

jet jet 10:30 pm 29 Jul 08

you want a dragway pay for it yourslef. why should govt. subsidise your hobby? if there was sufficent deamand for a dragway then the market would have provided one privately. its not the role of govt. to line the pockets of the motorists party.

tom-tom, what leaf have you been hiding under for the past 10 years. The Canberra community built and paid for its own Dragway at no cost to govt only to have it wrongfully stolen away by weazel Smythe in 1998. So we have already funded it privately once already. Sonic has promised to re-instate it for the past 10 years. In fact he got into power by promising to re-instate it back in 2001 and 2004.If you say why should Govt pay for it then surely you must also say why should Govt pay for the Stromlo push bike track, the glass works and every other sporting and cultural facility they fund. You have missed the point on the dragway issue and that is the Govt wrongfully stole the Dragway away. The Dragway was built by members of our community at absolutly no cost to the taxpayer and it delivered significant social and economic benefits to canberra.

peterh peterh 4:07 pm 29 Jul 08

vg said :

Have a read of the coronial inquest findings into the death of Katie Bender before you start to apportion blame where it isn’t. I have a funny feeling it will shoot down ideas that the former CM knowingly or deliberately placed the public in danger. Should there have been no harm or falling debris everyone would rave about the day they saw the old hospital come down.

As a former CM, despite some obvious shortcomings, she did more for the image and tourism than the current idiot could dream of. All Sonic does is perpetuate a Canberra stereotype for the less educated who live outside Canberra

VG, my point was that she was behind the publicizing of a dangerous occurence – in other countries, they clear a safety zone when they implode a building, not advertise it as a great event for the whole family. (who’d of thought explosives could be dangerous? really.)

Thumper Thumper 9:28 am 29 Jul 08

VG,

I was talking about public perception.

vg vg 8:58 am 29 Jul 08

Have a read of the coronial inquest findings into the death of Katie Bender before you start to apportion blame where it isn’t. I have a funny feeling it will shoot down ideas that the former CM knowingly or deliberately placed the public in danger. Should there have been no harm or falling debris everyone would rave about the day they saw the old hospital come down.

As a former CM, despite some obvious shortcomings, she did more for the image and tourism than the current idiot could dream of. All Sonic does is perpetuate a Canberra stereotype for the less educated who live outside Canberra

Thumper Thumper 8:25 am 29 Jul 08

Until the Katie Bender episode the canberra community seemed content enough overall to let her (Carnell) continue as she definitely didn’t do too many things that annoyed the voting populace. Okay, she painted some grass green and crashed a car, but this is small change compared to some of the monumental blunders committed by the recent government.

After that there was definitely a feeling that change was needed. And I agree, she was getting past her use by date and the hospital explosion just emphasised it.

I think the problem with Carnell was that she was too enthusiastic and didn’t step back to have a look at the situation or issue. She was a go getter, a doer, a can do sort of person, but her flaws were as I just pointed out.

Granny Granny 1:04 am 29 Jul 08

Katie Bender, that is – the little girl.

Granny Granny 1:00 am 29 Jul 08

What happened to Katie was terrible, and I don’t think anybody who lived through that time will ever forget it.

At the end I recall there being a real sense in the community that it was time for a change, but up until then the former Chief Minister did seem to be quite popular with Canberrans.

peter@home peter@home 12:11 am 29 Jul 08

iCanberran said :

…and yet, in the history of self-government in the ACT, I can think of no other government more generally despised and detested.

Hmmm? Carnell? She did waste a lot of money and turn an implosion into a spectacle at which someone was killed.
Yet, for all the dumb decisions she made and my dislike for her leadership, I can look back and see she was at least trying to make Canberra better. All I see Stanhope doing is penny pinching on the essentials, having little foresight and wasting money, not on events and projects to make Canberra notable, but rather projects to make him feel good inside about helping the crims and the druggies.

she was not!
how did painting the stadium grass green, putting on a spectacle of an implosion (for those who missed it, it exploded, showering debris across the lake and killing a child who SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE, it was a dangerous situation touted as a “family” event)
and got off DUI by driving home after the accident for a stiff drink to calm her nerves? she was only interested in her own gains. never those of canberra.

Granny Granny 4:56 pm 28 Jul 08

iCanberran said :

Hmmm? Carnell?

Not in my observation, no. I do recall that my staunchly ALP journalist ex-husband was particularly fond of her on a personal level.

iCanberran iCanberran 4:28 pm 28 Jul 08

…and yet, in the history of self-government in the ACT, I can think of no other government more generally despised and detested.

Hmmm? Carnell? She did waste a lot of money and turn an implosion into a spectacle at which someone was killed.
Yet, for all the dumb decisions she made and my dislike for her leadership, I can look back and see she was at least trying to make Canberra better. All I see Stanhope doing is penny pinching on the essentials, having little foresight and wasting money, not on events and projects to make Canberra notable, but rather projects to make him feel good inside about helping the crims and the druggies.

sepi sepi 3:15 pm 28 Jul 08

ACT govt has heaps of empty jobs going begging.

I don’t buy the fact that 200 jobs at the powerplant in macarthur would suddenly transfor Canberra’s ecnomic status.

And I didn’t support closing schools with no reasonable alternative for the kids that live in those areas – Hall, Tharwa and Melrose. Especially when the next budget was suddenly in surplus.

Granny Granny 3:09 pm 28 Jul 08

tom-tom said :

you cant please everybody. its as simple as that.

…and yet, in the history of self-government in the ACT, I can think of no other government more generally despised and detested.

cranky cranky 3:01 pm 28 Jul 08

Tom Tom,

There was sufficient demand for a dragway. It was built without Gov subsidy. It paid rates to the Gov for the land it was on.
It was closed, without a cent of compensation, by the rotten little turd of the day.
Sonic promised to build a new one – he reneged.

Why should the dragway supporters pay twice?

peterh peterh 3:00 pm 28 Jul 08

tom-tom said :

peterh;

demographic change happens wether you like it or not, i’m sure closing the schools wasn’t an easy decsion to make but i think it will be shown over time to be the right one. if the money’s not there and the schools not going to have sufficent enrollments then its better to close. i dont think there are many parents who would rationally choose for their kids to get a worse education for the sake of convinence.

where exactly would the money for a petrol subsidy come from? should we stop funding the schools or the hospitals? both?

you want a dragway pay for it yourslef. why should govt. subsidise your hobby? if there was sufficent deamand for a dragway then the market would have provided one privately. its not the role of govt. to line the pockets of the motorists party.

where do you want to build the prison? its not exactly in the middle of a bustling cbd. it has to go somewhere why not there?

you dont want a gas power station to go near macarthur? will you be paying the dole money for the 200 people who wont get a job? i assume you’ll be putting the 3 billion bucks the powerstation would bring to the local economy out of your own pocket aswell then.

you cant please everybody. its as simple as that.

I understand that.

I also feel a bit gypped about the “public consultation” that went on over the whole schools closures.

I want the power station to be as it was originally laid out by CTC, as a part of the datacentre construction. The datacentres will create far more jobs than that of just a power station.

not just by providing maintenance and services staff, but encouraging larger companies to see canberra as a viable location for their DR sites.

The fuel subsidy seems to be working for the qld govt, and yes, their public hospital services are in a bit of a mess, but not as bad as ours. we need to find ways to encourage market growth for the jobless, and Govt / local govt isn’t going to cover off this need.

the only way canberra can effectively grow to be sustainable (jobs, education and health) is to entice big business to canberra and to enable more avenues for the SME’s in canberra to sell, service and maintain a larger base of clients.

Otherwise, the health sector will become inefficient, because the numbers currently leaving canberra will grow, and you won’t get better services if there are less population to pay taxes and rates.

in regards to the dragway, I will have to be content to listen to idiots doing burn-outs in my street. I wanted a dragway for purely selfish reasons, so that these buggers can go there and leave me in peace. Stanhope agreed to build a dragway. I voted for him. He lied.

The prison would have been better built with a view to making it as difficult to break out of as possible. Under a flight path, next to southcare would not have been the obvious choice.

when the Gershon report comes out, I am sure that all this will be academic. What I am now worried about is the effect that it will have on the local economy….

tom-tom tom-tom 2:44 pm 28 Jul 08

peterh;

demographic change happens wether you like it or not, i’m sure closing the schools wasn’t an easy decsion to make but i think it will be shown over time to be the right one. if the money’s not there and the schools not going to have sufficent enrollments then its better to close. i dont think there are many parents who would rationally choose for their kids to get a worse education for the sake of convinence.

where exactly would the money for a petrol subsidy come from? should we stop funding the schools or the hospitals? both?

you want a dragway pay for it yourslef. why should govt. subsidise your hobby? if there was sufficent deamand for a dragway then the market would have provided one privately. its not the role of govt. to line the pockets of the motorists party.

where do you want to build the prison? its not exactly in the middle of a bustling cbd. it has to go somewhere why not there?

you dont want a gas power station to go near macarthur? will you be paying the dole money for the 200 people who wont get a job? i assume you’ll be putting the 3 billion bucks the powerstation would bring to the local economy out of your own pocket aswell then.

you cant please everybody. its as simple as that.

peterh peterh 2:26 pm 28 Jul 08

tom-tom said :

peterh;
you had your local school closed down? where their enough kids enrolled to make it viable? was the school large enough to ensure the kids got a good education etc?
you’re paying through the nose for petrol? how exactly would you like stanhope to fix that?
you want a dragway? pay for it yourself.
you dont want a jail? want and need are different things
you dont want a powerstation? take yourself off the grid.

they were overfull. average class was 30 kids.
it was a primary school that was hitting top marks for numeracy & literacy
do what the qld govt are doing – subsidise petrol
why would i do that? I didn’t promise it in my election campaign
we didn’t need a Gaol under a flight path, next to an emergency helicopter base. put it somewhere that wasn’t populated, I might have been ok with it.

if I could, I would. I meant that I didn’t want a gas turbine power station next door to macarthur.

tom-tom,

it isn’t that they closed the school down due to lagging numbers, you don’t kit out the computer class with new smartboards, desktops, printers etc if that school isn’t viable.

the 2 schools nearby are now turning away kids. they just don’t have the room for new attendees.

where do my kids go to school, that keeps them with their new friends at kindy?

how can the schools be closed without any attention paid to the numbers of births in the area from 2004 onwards? I would have looked at the potential numbers for future classes, and if anything, extended the schools.

pelican pelican 2:09 pm 28 Jul 08

Ha ha gun street girl. I thought the water tasted a bit different. 🙂

I should have added that we recently had a positive experience with a relative who spent time in ICU and the nursing and medical care was top notch.

I belive the waits in the Casualty are still up to the usual standard.

tom-tom tom-tom 2:02 pm 28 Jul 08

peterh;
you had your local school closed down? where their enough kids enrolled to make it viable? was the school large enough to ensure the kids got a good education etc?
you’re paying through the nose for petrol? how exactly would you like stanhope to fix that?
you want a dragway? pay for it yourself.
you dont want a jail? want and need are different things
you dont want a powerstation? take yourself off the grid.

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