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Land Cruiser road raging on a bus

johnboy 18 August 2011 130

ACT Policing is seeking witnesses to a road rage incident between a Land Cruiser and an ACTION bus which occurred yesterday afternoon (Wednesday, August 17) on Hopetoun Circuit in Yarralumla.

About 3.10pm, the bus carrying school children was on Hopetoun Circuit when a beige Toyota Land Cruiser attempted to overtake it, colliding with the side of the bus. At the next stop the driver of the Land Cruiser drove into the rear of the bus before driving off.

No one was injured from the incident.

Police would like to speak to anyone who may have witnessed the incident or who may be able to assist with the investigation by contacting Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the Crime Stoppers website on www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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hlawatsch hlawatsch 8:02 pm 28 Aug 11

hlawatsch said :

Classified said :

Jim Jones said :

The Frots said :

Hmmmmmmm. Road rage……………………………..or alcohol???

If it’s a landcruiser, it’s a safe bet to say that the issue was a terminal case of being a wanker.

There are an awful lot of 4WD owners in this city who seem to think that owning a 4WD means you have automatic right of way.

and theres alot poofs on push bikes too–sort off but i guess submarines sink ships do,nt they

any new 4wd drive tryes on the horizen perhaps should i get orange ones or green ones any ideas sort off

hlawatsch hlawatsch 7:49 pm 28 Aug 11

Classified said :

Jim Jones said :

The Frots said :

Hmmmmmmm. Road rage……………………………..or alcohol???

If it’s a landcruiser, it’s a safe bet to say that the issue was a terminal case of being a wanker.

There are an awful lot of 4WD owners in this city who seem to think that owning a 4WD means you have automatic right of way.

and theres alot poofs on push bikes too–sort off but i guess submarines sink ships do,nt they

Sarge51 Sarge51 12:58 pm 25 Aug 11

Sarge51 said :

It is called Confirmation Bias.

Nice one. I have to remember that for the next argument. 😉

p1 p1 10:13 am 23 Aug 11

Sarge51 said :

It is also curious to note that there are so many people out there that are ready to blame Action Drivers for every road incident and presumably, the same people pounce on the anti 4wd band wagon whenever possible….

It is called Confirmation Bias. If you think that buses are the worst driven vehicles on the road, then every time you see a bus do something one millimetre outside regulation it confirms you belief. The same reason many people think all cyclists wear Lycra, or that Asians are taking all our jobs, or why Tony Abbott denies global warming every time there is a frost.

KB1971 KB1971 9:12 am 23 Aug 11

KB1971 said :

00davist said :

And there is no need for bloody FWD Territory’s!

Market share, it gives the manufacturers another oprion to upsell on. There are so many pointless vehicles/options out there, rear seats in a sports car is another.

*option*

KB1971 KB1971 9:11 am 23 Aug 11

00davist said :

And there is no need for bloody FWD Territory’s!

Market share, it gives the manufacturers another oprion to upsell on. There are so many pointless vehicles/options out there, rear seats in a sports car is another.

shadow boxer shadow boxer 8:27 am 23 Aug 11

Sarge51 said :

shadow boxer said :

Then why would the police say it hit the side of the bus, someone is telling porkies and this story gets fishier all the time.

There is a word missing from the statement. “Almost”

Not fishy at all. The driver of the 4wd was interviewed and admitted full liability with no fault attributed to the bus driver. He has agreed to pay the $450 in damage repair to the bus and also cop the associated infringements.

Fair enough, I knew something wasn’t right, who writes these press releases ? its as bad as the other thread where the car “slammed” on the brakes.

00davist 00davist 8:23 am 23 Aug 11

Bussie said :

CHW said :

Huh. Sadly, based on several clues (location, time of day, style of driving) I predict the driver will be identified as …

… another Mum On The School Run.

DO NOT mess with MOTSR.

She has multiple children to ferry to multiple locations, usually has a timetable calculated down to the second, and boy howdy, has she had a lot of high-end coffee in the last two hours.

Half-way through the year… maybe the School Run Stress has peaked?

Mum o’clock is truly a terrible time to drive a bus.

Mum o’clock is truly a terrible time to drive a freakin mining truck!!!

00davist 00davist 8:15 am 23 Aug 11

Jim Jones said :

hotwasabee said :

Ben_Dover said :

MightyJoe said :

Also. To all the 4WD haters out there, have you actually ever driven a large (proper) 4WD?

Never felt the need too, I have a more than adequately sized penis, no delusions of my living in back of Bourke, and weigh in at under 150 kilos. But thanks for asking…

Oh yeah, because people who stereotype and involve body parts must really be a sophisticated member of society. Have you ever considered that maybe people from Canberra can actually travel to the back of Bourke?

Besides, why is road rage incident against children into a 4wd bashing exercise? Even a Prius is capable of attacking a bus.

Perhaps you could explain to us all how someone who lives in Canberra needs a 4WD? I’ve travelled widely around the surrounding districts from which people commute to Canberra, and I haven’t come across any terrain that a Commodore couldn’t easily negotiate.

Agreed, Heck, I commute daily anout 120k each way, and my home is down 4km of old dirt track, I have an 08 Civic, and an 08 Accord, nether has an issue with any of it.

I just did a road trip to Brisbane in the Civic (1.8) to pick up some vintage mowers, it travelled from Bris to home in one go (over 15h) with a trailer loaded with 13 mowers, and it had no wories what so ever.

There are some circumstances that require 4WD, and to those who need them, I have no issue with you. There are many people who have them, and dont need them.

And there is no need for bloody FWD Territory’s!

Innovation Innovation 8:01 am 23 Aug 11

milkman said :

Innovation said :

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And for all of those arguing about the merits of small versus heavy, multi passenger vs four wheel drive etc. Some people have a genuine need for their vehicle.

Maybe, but most 4WD owners don’t. A 10 second look around the carpark at my kid’s school is evidence of that. Easily half the vehicles are full sized 4WDs, mainly being driven by mums, many of whom struggle to park.

Perhaps you should read my post again. I think the same. The problem is that our assumptions are based only on what we see. Some of those “mums” might go bush every weekend. In the same vein there are probably people who own small cars who really only need them for a few kilometres every year. The rest of the time they would cope fine on pushies, public transport etc but they choose to drive a lot more than they need to because that is what they are used to.

The Antichrist The Antichrist 11:48 pm 22 Aug 11

dpm said :

…Anyway, horses for courses (and you don’t really need to justify your choice in anything to anyone!)…..

Its all good mate, I wasn’t actually having a go at you in that last comment about the predictable 4WD haters at all……its just something that gets up my nose *generally*. 🙂

The other things that really annoy me – are the generalisations about costs. I heard a claim from the NRMA once a few years ago, which stated with great authority that a *typical* 4WD – say a 2000 model Prado – costs in the vicinity of $350-odd per WEEK in running costs !!

What a load of old cobblers that is ! The Prado used by Mrs Antichrist to pick up the kids, costs less than 1/3 of that – per fortnight !!! Generalisations – generally speaking – are a joke. Just like the next gem ….

milkman said :

Innovation said :

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And for all of those arguing about the merits of small versus heavy, multi passenger vs four wheel drive etc. Some people have a genuine need for their vehicle.

Maybe, but most 4WD owners don’t. A 10 second look around the carpark at my kid’s school is evidence of that. Easily half the vehicles are full sized 4WDs, mainly being driven by mums, many of whom struggle to park.

Maybe, but most don’t.

How the hell do you work that out Einstein ? From a 10-second look around the car-park at school apparently………..maybe that just reflects your maximum attention span and nothing else.

See those towbars on the back ? Maybe they get used to pull the horse float on the weekend – or the boat or maybe even a caravan. Maybe they need that 4WD because of a million reasons that are not apparent to *you* in a carpark on a Monday morning. Does not make those reasons any less compelling simply because *you* in your hater mode cannot identify them…..

Perish the thought that they can’t park either ! Won’t somebody think of the CHILDREN ??

milkman milkman 10:27 pm 22 Aug 11

Innovation said :

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And for all of those arguing about the merits of small versus heavy, multi passenger vs four wheel drive etc. Some people have a genuine need for their vehicle.

Maybe, but most 4WD owners don’t. A 10 second look around the carpark at my kid’s school is evidence of that. Easily half the vehicles are full sized 4WDs, mainly being driven by mums, many of whom struggle to park.

Thoroughly Smashed Thoroughly Smashed 9:22 pm 22 Aug 11

Sarge51 said :

Now, can someone explain to this forum, how can a stationary vehicle collide with anything?

I guess you can get creative when defining your inertial reference frame.

Innovation Innovation 9:17 pm 22 Aug 11

#115 Sarge51 – When I posted on this thread all I had to go on was the reported release and my own experience of the bad behaviour of, hopefully, only a couple of bad bus drivers (most are very kind, courteous and considerate). If anyone is jumping to conclusions it’s you.

I am tempted to troll though. Whose opinion was it that there was “almost” a side on collision? Also, was it the bus driver’s opinion that they indicated for four to five seconds or were the kids on the bus counting too? Good thing they must have been at least third graders to have the common sense to count each time the indicator was turned on. And the ultimate question…. why did the driver of the other car have a brain snap? Is it the colour orange or lime green that triggers it? Should all of us drivers of these colour cars get our cars resprayed to avoid road rage incidents?

And for all of those arguing about the merits of small versus heavy, multi passenger vs four wheel drive etc. Some people have a genuine need for their vehicle. Others can afford a more costly vehicle, just in case they need it or for a handful of days per year. Hire cars are one option for those who want to consider a cheaper alternative (and if there is enough demand, hire car companies will be less restrictive on where cars can be driven). Continued political pressure for higher running costs (based on weight/distance, fuel consumption etc) versus cheaper annual running costs will encourage multiple vehicle ownership. Also, shared ownership of vehicles will become increasingly more likely – although the last time that I suggested that someone implied I was some sort of socialist.

Sarge51 Sarge51 8:32 pm 22 Aug 11

It is also interesting to note that a few weeks ago, there was an accident involving a Action Bus and a Volvo sedan on Athllon Drive.

The media report was “Action Bus collides with car.”

The facts for that accident was that the bus was stationary at a set of red traffic lights and the driver of the Volvo had a seizure and drove straight into the rear end of the bus, causing substantial damage to the bus and the Volvo was certainly a candidate for the wreckers.

Now, can someone explain to this forum, how can a stationary vehicle collide with anything?

Sarge51 Sarge51 8:18 pm 22 Aug 11

Feng said :

Innovation said :

The only curious aspect to this is why did the bus driver not stop to at least try to exchange details with the four wheel drive owner immediately after they first collided. Presumably he knew that the bus and four wheel drive side swiped each other or it wouldn’t have been in the above release.

Exactly my thoughts. +1

As it has been mentioned earlier, there was NO earlier collision or side swipe between the two vehicles. It appears the word “ALMOST” was omitted from the statement by either the police release or the journalist reporting it.

The bus was stationary when it was rear ended and the 4wd operator did a u-turn and drove off. Therefore, exactly how was the bus driver supposed to exchange details?

As it turns out, the 4wd operator has admitted full liability for the incident and the Action bus driver was totally innocent of any wrong doing and a victim of a brain snap as was quoted to the police by the 4wd operator.

It is also curious to note that there are so many people out there that are ready to blame Action Drivers for every road incident and presumably, the same people pounce on the anti 4wd band wagon whenever possible. So much for living in a country where you are assumed innocent until proven guilty with sufficient evidence. Lucky we don’t have the death penalty because it seems there are a lot of one eyed judges out there that would execute a driver because he/she dares work for Action buses.

Classified Classified 5:19 pm 22 Aug 11

Just for interest, the kerb weight of a Tarago is 1725kg, whereas a Landcruiser is 2555kg, or 830kg heavier.

Feng Feng 4:43 pm 22 Aug 11

Innovation said :

Everyone, including bus drivers, are supposed to indicate for a mandatory period of time – I think it’s 3 seconds from memory – before they take the relevant action. A small number of bus drivers (or may be it is even just one bus driver in different parts of the ACT) do not indicate long enough for other drivers to react and I have had bus drivers pull out while I am beside them who were certainly not indicating when I started to pass them.

However, even if the bus driver had initially been at fault, I reckon the four wheel drive owner has lost all credibility by not stopping to exchange details when they collide with the side of a school bus, then deliberately rear ending the bus and then driving off still without exchanging details.

The only curious aspect to this is why did the bus driver not stop to at least try to exchange details with the four wheel drive owner immediately after they first collided. Presumably he knew that the bus and four wheel drive side swiped each other or it wouldn’t have been in the above release.

Exactly my thoughts. +1

KB1971 KB1971 4:17 pm 22 Aug 11

dpm said :

Lastly, I’m not jealous of, nor hate 4WDs. I’m just finding it interesting reading people justify their need for one (They don’t even need to justify their choice to anyone, but they volunteer to!). Your justification was pretty good in the end, except how much stuff DO you need to carry to go swimming in the brindies?? Geez, 8 seater (for 6) plus purpose-designed roof-racks with caged sides for the towels and esky etc? 😉 Hahahaha!
Seriously though, for me, I couldn’t afford a ‘Landie’ if I wanted one! Sticker price, fuel costs, tyre costs, servicing costs, heavier-car rego costs etc…. I’d have to sell the house, get a better job, or find another way to get my hands on one.
As i’m poorer than you, if I just needed a 4WD to go to the Brindies a few times in summer, I’d seriously consider just renting one on those days/weekends, and having a cheaper-to-own car for the other 39,000km (out of 40,000km) I’d drive it a year.
The cheapest Landie I can see on carsales is $60k (without purpose-built roofracks), and i’m pretty sure it would cost ~$1,000 more a year to run than a ~$38k wagon or somesuch. Then, quickly looking on Avis, I can rent a Pajero (not a Landie though) for $285 for a weekend, Sat morning – Monday morning.
I think it would work out better for me to do it that way over the 10 year life of the car, but i’d need to check those prices properly! Anyway, horses for courses (and you don’t really need to justify your choice in anything to anyone!).

There actually isnt much in the running costs if you buy carefully. Commodores & vans are now all typically over 1500kg which puts them into the same registration territory as a 4WD:

http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regofee.htm

Fuel consumption is a myth also if you buy a diesel version. Yep, a V8 petrol in a Landcruiser will suck the juice but the equivalent in a diesel will be between 10 &15lt/100. This is a worst case scenario with many of the current crop of common rail 4 cylinder diesels using between 8 & 12l/100.You can look here:

http://www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au/GVGPublicUI/SearchResults.aspx

Disclaimer: I could not compare the Prado as it would not come up in the search.

Tyre and brake cost for a 4WD is more expensive but they generally last longer, I was getting 80-90,000km from my tyres on my last Patrol & the same from the brake pads. It also had 430,000km on the clock when it was written off (hail storm), most passenger cars would have had to have had an engine change by then.

Basic servicing is more expensive as a diesel will take more oil.

I find the suggestion to buy a Tarago, Iload, Volkswagen van as its better for commuting a bit silly really as they all weigh close to 2 tonnes (1725-1980kg) & have a dimension of 4.7m v the Pathfinder has a weight of 2.1 -2.28 and a length of 4.8m. They really dont handle much different either, this is where the Commodore excels & fuel consumption is similar.

Yup a 4WD is more expensive to run in some respects but its not the evil being that people make them out to be.

If you dont regularly do off road trips & I am not talking driving to Tumut on the back road, maybe once a year you want to go to Bendethera camping then by all means hire one but we use ours all the time (the new one was dirty on the first weekend we bought it).

I really only bit because of the stereotyping but I bite just as hard when someone has a go at pushies as well.

p1 p1 4:01 pm 22 Aug 11

dpm said :

The cheapest Landie I can see on carsales is $60k (without purpose-built roofracks), and i’m pretty sure it would cost ~$1,000 more a year to run than a ~$38k wagon or somesuch. Then, quickly looking on Avis, I can rent a Pajero (not a Landie though) for $285 for a weekend, Sat morning – Monday morning.

You actually make a very good point with this argument.

I hope you checked the small print though, often vehicle rentals specifically exclude unsealed roads. Even for four wheel drives.

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