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Light rail build to nab half a carpark

By Charlotte Harper 7 October 2015 51

An artist's impression of Canberra's light rail.

The ACT Government will use up to half of the Magistrates Court carpark on London Circuit as a construction compound during stage one of the building of Canberra’s light rail network.
Minister for Capital Metro Simon Corbell said the Government was in talks with Civic businesses and other stakeholders to ensure sufficient car-parking remained available during the construction.
There are about 255 spaces currently.
“In response to issues raised during consultation we have worked hard to identify options that reduce the possible area of the car park used for the compound and to provide additional parking supply,” Mr Corbell said.
“As a result the government has decided that the consortia that wins the contract to build stage one of Canberra’s light rail network will only be allowed to use half of the existing car park.
“The government is also proposing two options to maintain, or possibly increase, the current level of parking by either creating additional surface car parking through the reconfiguration of the Magistrates Court and Theatre car parks, as well as the creation of a temporary overflow car park off Theatre Lane, or through construction of a temporary parking structure on the remaining section of the Magistrates Court car park.”
The two options [set out in detail below] may open up an extra 40 spaces but vary in terms of implementation schedules. The Government will make a choice between the two after consulting further with stakeholders.
Disabled parking space numbers would be maintained in the area, Mr Corbell said.

THE OPTIONS OUTLINED

Option one
· Reconfiguration of Magistrates Court and Theatre car parks, plus temporary overflow car park off Theatre Lane
· Potentially up to 40 additional car spaces across the three sites
· Retention of up to 160 car spaces at the Magistrates Court site
· Addition of up to 140 spaces to the neighbouring Theatre car park and new overflow Theatre Lane area
· Completion in around 6 months with minimal impact on available parking while making the reconfiguration in stages
· No change to the number of disability accessible parking spaces at the Magistrates Court site

Option two
· Temporary parking structure in Magistrates Court car park
· Potentially up to 40 additional car spaces (consisting of a total of about 300 spaces on the Magistrates Court site)
· Completion in around 6 months (with half of the Magistrates car park being shut for this time due to the facility’s construction)
· No change to the number of disability accessible parking spaces at the Magistrates Court site

The website for Capital Metro is at www.capitalmetro.act.gov.au.

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HiddenDragon 5:55 pm 14 Oct 15

Rotten_berry said :

I think Belco and Woden centres are worth keeping as employment hubs. Decentralisation doesn’t work as well in these days of dual incomes, but it doesn’t hurt to have people flowing in both directions for some of the way.

Anyway I’m in the mood for another sing-along.

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how those car parks used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I’d mow down cyclists and dance
And maybe I’d be happy for a while

But Rubaiyat made me shiver
With rant that he’d deliver
Light rail on the doorstep
I had to take 10 more steps

I can’t remember if I cried
When they made that car park half as wide
But something touched me deep inside
The day the car parks died

So bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die

Did you write the book on trams
And do you have faith in master plans
If Corbell tells you so?
Now do you believe in vibrancy?
And sustainability?
And can you teach me how to drive real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with rail
‘Cause I saw you buy organic kale
You walked and ran in shoes
Man, I can’t keep up with youse

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ brute
With a pink jetski and a V8 ute
But I knew that it would all be moot
The day the car parks died

I started singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die…..

I met a girl who walked to work
And I honked at her and hoped she’d twerk
But she just frowned and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d parked for free years before
But the man there said car parks were all paaay

And in the streets, the drivers screamed
The bogans cried and the hipsters dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The trams all were broken

And the three men I admire most
Corbell, Barr and Stanhope’s ghost
They took the last car to the coast
The day the car parks died

And they were singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Tried to ram through the tram and shoot for the sky
And them Tuggers boys were drinking VB ‘n rye
Singin’ this’ll be the way that I die
While helping paying for the tram, why

I dips me lid – there’ll never be a tram with twin overhead foxtails!

switch 3:41 pm 14 Oct 15

Rotten_berry said :

I think Belco and Woden centres are worth keeping as employment hubs. Decentralisation doesn’t work as well in these days of dual incomes, but it doesn’t hurt to have people flowing in both directions for some of the way.

Anyway I’m in the mood for another sing-along.

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how those car parks used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I’d mow down cyclists and dance
And maybe I’d be happy for a while

But Rubaiyat made me shiver
With rant that he’d deliver
Light rail on the doorstep
I had to take 10 more steps

I can’t remember if I cried
When they made that car park half as wide
But something touched me deep inside
The day the car parks died

So bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die

Did you write the book on trams
And do you have faith in master plans
If Corbell tells you so?
Now do you believe in vibrancy?
And sustainability?
And can you teach me how to drive real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with rail
‘Cause I saw you buy organic kale
You walked and ran in shoes
Man, I can’t keep up with youse

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ brute
With a pink jetski and a V8 ute
But I knew that it would all be moot
The day the car parks died

I started singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die…..

I met a girl who walked to work
And I honked at her and hoped she’d twerk
But she just frowned and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d parked for free years before
But the man there said car parks were all paaay

And in the streets, the drivers screamed
The bogans cried and the hipsters dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The trams all were broken

And the three men I admire most
Corbell, Barr and Stanhope’s ghost
They took the last car to the coast
The day the car parks died

And they were singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Tried to ram through the tram and shoot for the sky
And them Tuggers boys were drinking VB ‘n rye
Singin’ this’ll be the way that I die
While helping paying for the tram, why

Brilliant! I love it. You obviously have way too much time on your hands…

dungfungus 9:22 am 14 Oct 15

Rotten_berry said :

I think Belco and Woden centres are worth keeping as employment hubs. Decentralisation doesn’t work as well in these days of dual incomes, but it doesn’t hurt to have people flowing in both directions for some of the way.

Anyway I’m in the mood for another sing-along.

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how those car parks used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I’d mow down cyclists and dance
And maybe I’d be happy for a while

But Rubaiyat made me shiver
With rant that he’d deliver
Light rail on the doorstep
I had to take 10 more steps

I can’t remember if I cried
When they made that car park half as wide
But something touched me deep inside
The day the car parks died

So bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die

Did you write the book on trams
And do you have faith in master plans
If Corbell tells you so?
Now do you believe in vibrancy?
And sustainability?
And can you teach me how to drive real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with rail
‘Cause I saw you buy organic kale
You walked and ran in shoes
Man, I can’t keep up with youse

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ brute
With a pink jetski and a V8 ute
But I knew that it would all be moot
The day the car parks died

I started singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die…..

I met a girl who walked to work
And I honked at her and hoped she’d twerk
But she just frowned and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d parked for free years before
But the man there said car parks were all paaay

And in the streets, the drivers screamed
The bogans cried and the hipsters dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The trams all were broken

And the three men I admire most
Corbell, Barr and Stanhope’s ghost
They took the last car to the coast
The day the car parks died

And they were singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Tried to ram through the tram and shoot for the sky
And them Tuggers boys were drinking VB ‘n rye
Singin’ this’ll be the way that I die
While helping paying for the tram, why

I am loving these parodies.

rubaiyat 6:59 am 14 Oct 15

Rotten_berry said :

I think Belco and Woden centres are worth keeping as employment hubs. Decentralisation doesn’t work as well in these days of dual incomes, but it doesn’t hurt to have people flowing in both directions for some of the way.

Anyway I’m in the mood for another sing-along.

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how those car parks used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I’d mow down cyclists and dance
And maybe I’d be happy for a while

But Rubaiyat made me shiver
With rant that he’d deliver
Light rail on the doorstep
I had to take 10 more steps

I can’t remember if I cried
When they made that car park half as wide
But something touched me deep inside
The day the car parks died

So bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die

Did you write the book on trams
And do you have faith in master plans
If Corbell tells you so?
Now do you believe in vibrancy?
And sustainability?
And can you teach me how to drive real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with rail
‘Cause I saw you buy organic kale
You walked and ran in shoes
Man, I can’t keep up with youse

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ brute
With a pink jetski and a V8 ute
But I knew that it would all be moot
The day the car parks died

I started singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die…..

I met a girl who walked to work
And I honked at her and hoped she’d twerk
But she just frowned and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d parked for free years before
But the man there said car parks were all paaay

And in the streets, the drivers screamed
The bogans cried and the hipsters dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The trams all were broken

And the three men I admire most
Corbell, Barr and Stanhope’s ghost
They took the last car to the coast
The day the car parks died

And they were singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Tried to ram through the tram and shoot for the sky
And them Tuggers boys were drinking VB ‘n rye
Singin’ this’ll be the way that I die
While helping paying for the tram, why

Can’t help it, it’s the editor in me.

That is an appalling scan in the last verse.

D- Resubmit.

Rotten_berry 9:50 pm 13 Oct 15

I think Belco and Woden centres are worth keeping as employment hubs. Decentralisation doesn’t work as well in these days of dual incomes, but it doesn’t hurt to have people flowing in both directions for some of the way.

Anyway I’m in the mood for another sing-along.

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how those car parks used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I’d mow down cyclists and dance
And maybe I’d be happy for a while

But Rubaiyat made me shiver
With rant that he’d deliver
Light rail on the doorstep
I had to take 10 more steps

I can’t remember if I cried
When they made that car park half as wide
But something touched me deep inside
The day the car parks died

So bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die

Did you write the book on trams
And do you have faith in master plans
If Corbell tells you so?
Now do you believe in vibrancy?
And sustainability?
And can you teach me how to drive real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with rail
‘Cause I saw you buy organic kale
You walked and ran in shoes
Man, I can’t keep up with youse

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ brute
With a pink jetski and a V8 ute
But I knew that it would all be moot
The day the car parks died

I started singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Holden up to Goulburn but the dams were all dry
And them Braddon boys were sipping lattes and wine
Singin’ this’ll be the day that cars die
This’ll be the day that cars die…..

I met a girl who walked to work
And I honked at her and hoped she’d twerk
But she just frowned and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d parked for free years before
But the man there said car parks were all paaay

And in the streets, the drivers screamed
The bogans cried and the hipsters dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The trams all were broken

And the three men I admire most
Corbell, Barr and Stanhope’s ghost
They took the last car to the coast
The day the car parks died

And they were singing bye, bye, Miss American Pie
Tried to ram through the tram and shoot for the sky
And them Tuggers boys were drinking VB ‘n rye
Singin’ this’ll be the way that I die
While helping paying for the tram, why

rubaiyat 10:13 am 13 Oct 15

gooterz said :

The arguments for light rail are extremely poor. We need light rail to cope with the increased density and we need the increased density to make light rail viable.
There reason for doing it should be to save money. that’s that clearly not the case because many other options would do the same quicker and more flexibly.

You have got most of it wrong and ignored the rest.

There are many reasons for the Light Rail.

1. The transport connections in and out of Gungahlin are few and inefficient roads.

2. The obvious connection to City, is as it says: obvious. Down Flemington Road and Northbourne Avenue.

3. Light Rail provides a clean sustainable attractive alternative that can grow with demand that does not use the existing roads. Buses compete with cars for the same space.

4. It will increase residential and commercial density closer to the city and reduce the unsustainable destruction of the A.C.T. countryside that then creates yet more long distance traffic that all piles up in the City again.

5. It actually is a very cost effective solution when you don’t fudge the figures by comparing the cost of empty roads with fully functional and operating trams on tracks.

6. As Gungahlin and the length of the route expand over the years there is no increased congestion. Light Rail runs at the same speed and performance, unlike cars which get increasingly slower and more congested.

7. It dramatically cuts the waste, ugliness and futility of car parking on expensive real estate that can be used for more productive purposes.

8. It cuts down urban noise and pollution.

9. It encourages a much healthier pedestrian culture for city residents and commuters.

10. It uses locally available non polluting fuel, that won’t run out and that is not subject to problems of importation over a tenuous supply chain, and that over the length of the project will actually get cheaper, not more expensive.

11. Once the capital equipment and engineering is in place it is a transport system that actually boosts local income because it uses mostly local resources and supplies. It also increases the disposable income of the people who use it, boosting the local economy.

12. It is the first stage of a sustainable transport system that will cover the core areas encouraging a viable dense urban centre. The attempts at creating several too small townships with neither adequate work places or retail, poorly connected to each other, and the Centre has failed. Time to give Canberra one real CBD not 6-7 pretend CBDs.

rubaiyat 9:33 am 13 Oct 15

Spill Chucker at work again, That should be Laurie Brereton.

rubaiyat 9:30 am 13 Oct 15

Arthur Davies said :

totally agree that we need better transport options, but the discussion should be about what options. Trams go back about 130 years & were designed to solve a problem we no longer have. Of the 25 tram networks in Australia in the early 20th century, all but 2 were superseded by newer technology, the Govt is betting on the side of the 2 out of 25, I worry about the 23 out of 25! Technology has moved on & there are better more modern transport modes.

We stupidly copycatted the USA where most of the public transport was bought up and dismantled deliberately by the Automotive industry to push cars. We did their job for them for free.

We have been staring ever since at the ugliness of the Cahill Expressway, the Darling Harbour flyovers, The Warringah Freeway in North Sydney and the concrete flyovers that line Brisbane’s riverside, amongst many other offensive and divisive “solutions”.

The two very efficient Tram lines that were on the eastern side of the Sydney Harbour Bridge were removed to allow an extra two (and much less efficient) car lanes, reducing the number of passengers able to cross the Harbour.

Detroit actually demolished L.A.s huge tram system replacing it with enormously wide and filthy freeways that carved up L.A. and put it under a pollution haze ever since.

They set up a shell bus company and sold that as a replacement for the real public transport options to politicians all around the country because buses also use roads and they wanted that to be the only solution.

Of course buses were an awful replacement and only the very poor, mostly blacks and Latinos use it, because they are left with no choice. As a bonus they segregated the bus seats and when that became illegal the white population stopped using buses.

Melbourne thankfully ignored Detroit and is all the better for it. Sydney sadly did not, and there is barely anywhere you can escape the traffic noise and congestion. So they are having to put back Light Rail at great expense when they could have simply upgraded as Melbourne did and have a cleaner, quieter and much more liveable city all along.

Laurie Bremerton bought the Monorail for Darling Harbour against all the advice of his staff and transport experts, because he bought the “Modern” spiel and he was not going to have to use it.

If he hadn’t been the prime sucker that he was, Sydney wouldn’t have had to put up with the Monorail for over 30 years, could have had a real transport system and wouldn’t have to be spending the considerable amount of money now instead of the much more reasonable sum if they had done the sensible thing in the first place.

rubaiyat 8:59 am 13 Oct 15

MERC600 said :

[Come on Rube’s old son , , you’ve been caught out . Driving around the countryside in your gas-drinking, piston-clinking, air-polluting, smoke-belching, four-wheeled buggie from Detroit City, while lecturing all and sundry back here about the evils of it all. tsk tsk.
I mean fair suck of the sauce bottle.
Just admit it, your a good ole high octane boy like the rest of us.

Hey that’s amazingly clever, you really got me there doing something YOU claim I am saying I never do.

But that’s nothing, I saw the personal trainers from World’s Greatest Loser actually EATING!

What hypocrites!!!

JC 12:54 am 13 Oct 15

Arthur Davies said :

watto23 said :

Maybe we can get the federal government to kick in funds for light rail like they did with Qld.

I’ve yet to read a coherent argument against light rail, other than saying we can’t affords this, but even statements like that are not really factual. What someone needs to do is come up with a better way to spend the money on public transport solutions.

Things about population density are a mute point, because the light rail is being built to enable a high density corridor.
Its not coming to Tuggeranong, is not a valid point. Its always going to have to start somewhere and IMO light rail would not work going to Tuggeranong.
Yes its a lot of money, but the government actually has a big budget. Health and education spending went up in the last budget so they are not suffering. Have you thought that maybe, just maybe they cut spending in areas that didn’t need the money or were wasting the money?

People need to understand, this is not actually just about lightrail. Its about creating a high density area to create urban infill. We do not have unlimited pockets of land to build family houses on with big backyards. We need places for people to live, the more housing that is created the less pressure their is on housing. Despite what many may think, many people are happy living in an apartment, not owning a car and catching public transport to work. That is what this is for. It takes pressure off housinh, off car parking in the city, plus does its best to avoid NIMBYs in the suburbs, like we saw at Yarralumla. The city is going to keep growing.

I totally agree that we need better transport options, but the discussion should be about what options. Trams go back about 130 years & were designed to solve a problem we no longer have. Of the 25 tram networks in Australia in the early 20th century, all but 2 were superseded by newer technology, the Govt is betting on the side of the 2 out of 25, I worry about the 23 out of 25! Technology has moved on & there are better more modern transport modes.

Nice attempt at rewirtting history. What killed trams was the beleif, which was quite valid in Australia for the last part of the 20th centrury that car was king and public transport was for those that couldn’t afford a car. Of course the 50’s when the trams started to disapear was when cars became affordable to the average man. This of course lead to urban sprawl and many of the issues we see today.

The core issue however is the same as it was 150 years ago, moving x number if people from A to B. Why you say otherwise is beyond me. Ironic because you support a different technology to move those people, yet beleive the issue of moving people doesnt exist.

rubaiyat 11:54 pm 12 Oct 15

Arthur Davies said :

watto23 said :

Maybe we can get the federal government to kick in funds for light rail like they did with Qld.

I’ve yet to read a coherent argument against light rail, other than saying we can’t affords this, but even statements like that are not really factual. What someone needs to do is come up with a better way to spend the money on public transport solutions.

Things about population density are a mute point, because the light rail is being built to enable a high density corridor.
Its not coming to Tuggeranong, is not a valid point. Its always going to have to start somewhere and IMO light rail would not work going to Tuggeranong.
Yes its a lot of money, but the government actually has a big budget. Health and education spending went up in the last budget so they are not suffering. Have you thought that maybe, just maybe they cut spending in areas that didn’t need the money or were wasting the money?

People need to understand, this is not actually just about lightrail. Its about creating a high density area to create urban infill. We do not have unlimited pockets of land to build family houses on with big backyards. We need places for people to live, the more housing that is created the less pressure their is on housing. Despite what many may think, many people are happy living in an apartment, not owning a car and catching public transport to work. That is what this is for. It takes pressure off housinh, off car parking in the city, plus does its best to avoid NIMBYs in the suburbs, like we saw at Yarralumla. The city is going to keep growing.

I totally agree that we need better transport options, but the discussion should be about what options. Trams go back about 130 years & were designed to solve a problem we no longer have. Of the 25 tram networks in Australia in the early 20th century, all but 2 were superseded by newer technology, the Govt is betting on the side of the 2 out of 25, I worry about the 23 out of 25! Technology has moved on & there are better more modern transport modes.

The Govt is pulling a “Yes Minister” trick on the community, As Sir Humphrey said to Bernard, “give the minister 2 options, one of which is unacceptable, the minister will always choose the other, the one the Dept wants, but you must never admit that there are more than 2 options”. This is exactly what the Govt has done, it has not looked at other options such as overhead rapid transit which would be both cheaper & far faster, let alone the coming autonomous cars . In the interim more express buses, which are cheaper than trams & offer a shorter journey time than trams, should be used while all the technologies are fully evaluated.

Overhead rapid transit could go above the outer lane of Northbourne, not down the median strip, so that passengers get off on the footpath not in the median strip. This avoids the cutting down of the median strip trees, the huge expense of replacing/reinforcing the existing services under the median strip & overhead rapid transit rails would result in little if any pruning of the existing trees along the footpath. The construction should be simpler so less car parks would be lost in the interim. A faster transport mode will be the only thing to tempt people out of their cars, not bashing them over the head & punishing them. After all that was what got people off their horses in 25 towns 100 years & more ago, now we need a better, faster & cheaper option to reduce the need for cars, for commuting especially.

One of the advantages of living in Canberra in the past was its connectedness, everywhere was only a few minutes away so people could be involved in anything & everything, not so now. Trams will NOT offer short journey times & connect people again, but far faster systems can. Trams can only be used by people near the tram line, overhead systems can get into the suburbs & many more people will benefit.

The Govt only looked at trams & buses, they rejected buses in spite of their lower cost & shorter trip times. They did not look at any other options & too many of the tram documents have never been released. Surely there should have been a full transparent investigation of ALL options with the costs, the advantages/disadvantages of all stated & published before any firm decisions are made. Surely it is time for Canberra to show some leadership & flair, as it used to. We need to show the way with a transport system which people will be proud of, which people will get people to come to Canberra to see it. What is wrong with the innovation the various Govt’s tell us to do (but not for them), some imagination & vision, something to make us go “WOW”. Especially when it is cheaper as well!

Sadly trams will do none of this.

When you go to the doctor Alan do you also go to the witchdoctor who promises you a miracle cure but can not even produce a brochure or demonstrate his “solution” beyond a crude video?

There is a point where scepticism and natural caution prevents you falling for every “too good to be true” sales pitch.

That should be Arthur of course, damn this insane “Spill Chucker”!

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