18 July 2012

Local Christian Lobby making the Canberra sex industry their focus

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The Australian Christian Lobby has a new Territory Director here in Canberra called Richard Thackway and he’s written to his members letting them know the fundie goodness they’ve got planned for the election.

First order of business is a bit of what seems certain to be sex industry bashing:

Ms Vickie Dunne, MLA will be invited to canvas the policy positions of the ACT Liberal Party on ACT brothels (Attorney-General Simon Corbell was invited but declined to attend). Prostitution and its impact on those caught in the trade is an important issue for many Christians in the ACT. The community will have the opportunity to ask questions of Ms Dunn. The forum is planned for mid-September

Now the local sex industry has not covered itself in glory, but it would be nice to see a proper compliance regime brought in (with a few exemplary executions) rather than driving the industry back underground.

On another note it is frankly bizarre that the only religion based on a man known to have associated with prostitutes is so down on it.

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kakosi said :

People should relax – as no wack-job religious group will be able to get rid of prostitution in Canberra. There’s far too much money in it for it to disappear.

What I can’t understand is some people’s “white-washed” views of the “industry” and the people in it. It’s corrupt and dirty and disgusting. Legal or not, there’s nothing pretty about it.

Good point, and well done for introducing a healthy dose of reality to this thread.

People should relax – as no wack-job religious group will be able to get rid of prostitution in Canberra. There’s far too much money in it for it to disappear.

What I can’t understand is some people’s “white-washed” views of the “industry” and the people in it. It’s corrupt and dirty and disgusting. Legal or not, there’s nothing pretty about it.

dpm said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

Ooh, dammit Henry, you had to go and ruin it.

Up until now you were walking that fine line where people could still wonder whether you were a troll or an actual full-on nutbar. But that comment is just such a Troll 101 statement that you’ve finally shown your true colours.

That makes you no fun anymore…

Hahaha! Nah, he’s just trolling to get someone to enact Godwin’s law and close the thread! Hahahaha!

I didn’t suggest we round them all up and get them building Autobahns…although now you mention it, …..

In any case, you don’t seem to understand Godwin’s Law: You don’t enact it, you demonstrate it. And the only reason Godwin’s Law would close a thread is if that thread’s purpose was fulfilled by a demonstration of Godwin’s Law.

dpm said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

Ooh, dammit Henry, you had to go and ruin it.

Up until now you were walking that fine line where people could still wonder whether you were a troll or an actual full-on nutbar. But that comment is just such a Troll 101 statement that you’ve finally shown your true colours.

That makes you no fun anymore…

Hahaha! Nah, he’s just trolling to get someone to enact Godwin’s law and close the thread! Hahahaha!

I’m up for it.

Adolf Hitler.

There you go. 🙂

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

Ooh, dammit Henry, you had to go and ruin it.

Up until now you were walking that fine line where people could still wonder whether you were a troll or an actual full-on nutbar. But that comment is just such a Troll 101 statement that you’ve finally shown your true colours.

That makes you no fun anymore…

Hahaha! Nah, he’s just trolling to get someone to enact Godwin’s law and close the thread! Hahahaha!

Pork Hunt said :

HenryBG said :

bundah said :

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

Dude, you have hit the nail on the head but the prostitutes are providing goods and services for rooters without the breeding. How many pregnant hookers have you seen?

You have to pay a special fee to get some of that.

HenryBG said :

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

Ooh, dammit Henry, you had to go and ruin it.

Up until now you were walking that fine line where people could still wonder whether you were a troll or an actual full-on nutbar. But that comment is just such a Troll 101 statement that you’ve finally shown your true colours.

That makes you no fun anymore…

HenryBG said :

bundah said :

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

You’re a real prince pal. On the upside, you’ll certainly off yourself before long or incite somebody else to do it.

HenryBG said :

bundah said :

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

O wonder!
How many goodly creatures are there here!
How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world,
That has such people in’t.

HenryBG said :

bundah said :

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

The type of society you would ideally like to live in unfortunately does not nor is it ever likely to exist anytime soon.Humans have only evolved to a finite level and the animal within all humans lingers just below the surface.Those who are more highly evolved are better able to control their behaviour and be measured when responding to unpalatable scenarios however the only real escape from all the madness would be to remove oneself from society or of course inevitably cease to exist which for all of us is only a matter of time!

HenryBG said :

bundah said :

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

Dude, you have hit the nail on the head but the prostitutes are providing goods and services for rooters without the breeding. How many pregnant hookers have you seen?

bundah said :

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

The problem is that we don’t need the lower classes anymore: just about all the menial jobs have either been automated or offshored to India, leaving them with nothing to do here except welfare-bludging and crime.
We really need to tie welfare to compulsory contraception to cut down on their excessively high rate of breeding.

milkman said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

Tattoos used to be cool when they were rare. Nowadays every jerk has one, so their appeal is significantly reduced.

Yeah, I got mine 20 odd years ago when, really, only soldiers, sailors, bikies and criminals had them. They were very rare.

Admittedly, I did get a new just a month ago.

Butterfly on the bum? Or rose on the shoulderblade? Or something even more original?

poetix said :

Proboscus said :

God bless prostitutes

I agree. Unfortunately, they need it more than most. Not because of what they do, but because some people throw rocks at them, either literally or metaphorically.

lol +50

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot1:53 pm 21 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

poetix said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I would hope you’d charge good money for it.

Sure, but then I’d have to throw rocks at myself.

You’re actually quite good at that…

And incidentally, what’s wrong with tattoos? (#77)

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

So, the Maori are all criminals?

Ouch.

It is clear that temperance and tolerance are totally foreign concepts to some in the RA.Sadly bigotry and hate is alive and well and while arguing with those who identify with those negative attitudes is obviously futile it is somewhat perversely amusing!

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

Tattoos used to be cool when they were rare. Nowadays every jerk has one, so their appeal is significantly reduced.

c_c said :

HenryBG said :

Who behaves like this anyway? A few scraggy bogans covered in tattoos? Yuk.

Law students among others.

So bogan scrags AND others who are even less reputable than bogan scrags. Anyone else?

HenryBG said :

Who behaves like this anyway? A few scraggy bogans covered in tattoos? Yuk.

Law students among others.

Pork Hunt said :

Those who live in glass houses should not get stoned…

They should also use the neighbours loo…

Pork Hunt said :

Those who live in glass houses should not get stoned…

But those who live in grass houses…well that is a different story altogether

Those who live in glass houses should not get stoned…

Proboscus said :

God bless prostitutes

I agree. Unfortunately, they need it more than most. Not because of what they do, but because some people throw rocks at them, either literally or metaphorically.

p1 said :

HenryBG said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

How did he feel about the idea of homosexuals putting on white dresses and getting married?

I imagine it reminded him of his apprenticeship.

boom-tish! 😉

HenryBG said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

How did he feel about the idea of homosexuals putting on white dresses and getting married?

Never really asked him. But since he knew I have a few gay friends, and never had a problem with them, I’d say he couldn’t have cared less about the issue.

Bizarre and totally pointless attempt to change the topic by they way. So, are you saying my dad was a crim, Henry?

God bless prostitutes

p1 said :

HenryBG said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

How did he feel about the idea of homosexuals putting on white dresses and getting married?

I imagine it reminded him of his apprenticeship.

Thief!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

I don’t agree. What is tasteless and disgusting about two people engaging in sexual intercourse?
.

When one of them’s a pervert doing his best to give STDs to his wife, and the other is a junkie doing her best to give STDs to her client you have one big disgusting tastelss mess.

I used to live in St Kilda – we used to give the junkies and the whores hell. They used to try to do their business in our side street and leave their condoms lying around. (and their needles, thanks to the do-gooders handing them out willy-nilly).
We would literally throw stones at them (and their clients’ cars) when we saw them. The revolting germ bags and their pervert clients soon learnt to stay well away from our neighbourhood, let me tell you. (What were they going to do? Call the police?).

If everybody had the balls to do the same, there’d be no prostitution at all.

Not only are you a prick (throwing rocks at women, how very brave of you), you are a stupid one as well – legalised and regulate prostitution is the most sensible way to stop the spread of std’s and sti’s amongst sex workers and their clients

What a funny old fellow is Henry….! In opposition to this, he is quite keen to have marijuana legalised for similar reasons to those you have mentioned (I don’t really care much either way about this but shhh, let’s not get him started on that right now!). Also, he has previouly admitted to DUI in the past!?! Apparently laws that suit his views are OK, but those that don’t are stupid and need to be changed…
A question for Henry is: What would his view be if it was found that the guy that ran over the two hospital workers (killing one of them) was drunk (DUI) or on weed at the time? I wonder this as (a) he hates bogan crims, but (b) he endorses the behaviour of many/most of them!
He is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma! Hahahaha!

HenryBG said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

How did he feel about the idea of homosexuals putting on white dresses and getting married?

I imagine it reminded him of his apprenticeship.

HenryBG said :

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

How did he feel about the idea of homosexuals putting on white dresses and getting married?

Probably that it was their business, doing him no harm and it was really none of his business.

But thats just my assumption and not to be taken as fact. You know? Like every part of every post you make.

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

How did he feel about the idea of homosexuals putting on white dresses and getting married?

p1 said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

Out of morbid curiosity, how do you feel about ear rings?

Common.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:03 pm 20 Jul 12

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

We get it Henry.

All prostitutes are underage heroin addicts.

All Muslims are Islamicist terrorists.

You oppose “lefties”, “do-gooders” and “political correctness”.

You are a modern day Knight Templar, travelling through the streets of suburban Canberra tearing through the heart of our corrupt and immoral society with your truth sword.

Although, the Christian Templars associated with Hassan I Sabbah and his Shiite hashish eating assassins…….

Winner

colourful sydney racing identity3:33 pm 20 Jul 12

Ozhair said :

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

*golf clap*

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

My dad had a tattoo. He got it in the Navy defending the freedom of worthless, jury-duty-skipping, stone throwing scumbags…

HenryBG said :

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

Out of morbid curiosity, how do you feel about ear rings?

poetix said :

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I would hope you’d charge good money for it.

Sure, but then I’d have to throw rocks at myself.

You’re actually quite good at that…

And incidentally, what’s wrong with tattoos? (#77)

Tattoos are worn by criminals. The only thing less appealing than tattoos is body piercing. Revolting and stupid.

HenryBG said :

johnboy said :

I would hope you’d charge good money for it.

Sure, but then I’d have to throw rocks at myself.

You’re actually quite good at that…

And incidentally, what’s wrong with tattoos? (#77)

johnboy said :

I would hope you’d charge good money for it.

Sure, but then I’d have to throw rocks at myself.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

Although, the Christian Templars associated with Hassan I Sabbah and his Shiite hashish eating assassins…….

Try saying that with a mouthful of marbles.

I thought you would be opposed to such a disgusting and outrageous act.

Oh, sorry, marbles not my balls.

Wasn’t offerring anybody a hummer.

I would hope you’d charge good money for it.

colourful sydney racing identity11:12 am 20 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

Although, the Christian Templars associated with Hassan I Sabbah and his Shiite hashish eating assassins…….

Try saying that with a mouthful of marbles.

I thought you would be opposed to such a disgusting and outrageous act.

Oh, sorry, marbles not my balls.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

Although, the Christian Templars associated with Hassan I Sabbah and his Shiite hashish eating assassins…….

Try saying that with a mouthful of marbles.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

You are a modern day Knight Templar, travelling through the streets of suburban Canberra tearing through the heart of our throwing stones at corrupt and immoral society with your truth sword puny fist of fury.

Fixed that for you.

colourful sydney racing identity10:08 am 20 Jul 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I would not particularly want my mother/sister/daughter working as a fashion model or a talk back radio host, doesn’t mean that no-one should.

Scenario:

Mr Colourful:
“So, has everybody had a successful year? What have you been up to, Master Colourful?”
Master Colourful: “Oh, I got a new job”
Mrs Colourful: “That’s great! What are you doing?”
Master Colourful: “I’ve got a job working as a Real Estate Agent”
Mr Colourful: “Oh”
Mrs Colourful: “Never mind.”
Miss Colourful: “Loser”
Mrs Colourful: “What about you, Miss Colourful? I gather you have a new job as well?”
Miss Colourful: “Yes, now I’m working as a prostitute. We snort a fair bit of speed. When we take heroin, we make sure we inject it inbetween our toes, because the fat hairy bald men who pay us don’t tip as well when you’ve got an armful of trackmarks. Sometimes the police raid us, but that’s not so bad, we just throw them a bung – it’s harder on the girls who are underage, because they have to pay the cops off more than we do on account of their fake IDs. Sometimes the bald fat hairy men refuse to use a condom, but that’s OK because we ask them for an extra $100, which means we can afford cocaine occasionally and I don’t often end up with herpes or gonorrhea anyway”
Mrs Colourful: “That’s nice dear”.

Does she get extra for anal? Just doing some budgeting and need to know how much to charge her for board.

one more thing, it is Ms Colourful, not Mrs.

colourful sydney racing identity9:54 am 20 Jul 12

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot said :

We get it Henry.

All prostitutes are underage heroin addicts.

All Muslims are Islamicist terrorists.

You oppose “lefties”, “do-gooders” and “political correctness”.

You are a modern day Knight Templar, travelling through the streets of suburban Canberra tearing through the heart of our corrupt and immoral society with your truth sword.

Although, the Christian Templars associated with Hassan I Sabbah and his Shiite hashish eating assassins…….

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You are implying that he would be judge, *jury*, and executioner…

Henry is a fat hairy bald man?

He seems to know a lot about the daily life of sex workers!

colourful sydney racing identity9:45 am 20 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I would not particularly want my mother/sister/daughter working as a fashion model or a talk back radio host, doesn’t mean that no-one should.

Scenario:

Mr Colourful:
“So, has everybody had a successful year? What have you been up to, Master Colourful?”
Master Colourful: “Oh, I got a new job”
Mrs Colourful: “That’s great! What are you doing?”
Master Colourful: “I’ve got a job working as a Real Estate Agent”
Mr Colourful: “Oh”
Mrs Colourful: “Never mind.”
Miss Colourful: “Loser”
Mrs Colourful: “What about you, Miss Colourful? I gather you have a new job as well?”
Miss Colourful: “Yes, now I’m working as a prostitute. We snort a fair bit of speed. When we take heroin, we make sure we inject it inbetween our toes, because the fat hairy bald men who pay us don’t tip as well when you’ve got an armful of trackmarks. Sometimes the police raid us, but that’s not so bad, we just throw them a bung – it’s harder on the girls who are underage, because they have to pay the cops off more than we do on account of their fake IDs. Sometimes the bald fat hairy men refuse to use a condom, but that’s OK because we ask them for an extra $100, which means we can afford cocaine occasionally and I don’t often end up with herpes or gonorrhea anyway”
Mrs Colourful: “That’s nice dear”.

Does she get extra for anal? Just doing some budgeting and need to know how much to charge her for board.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot9:42 am 20 Jul 12

We get it Henry.

All prostitutes are underage heroin addicts.

All Muslims are Islamicist terrorists.

You oppose “lefties”, “do-gooders” and “political correctness”.

You are a modern day Knight Templar, travelling through the streets of suburban Canberra tearing through the heart of our corrupt and immoral society with your truth sword.

Although, the Christian Templars associated with Hassan I Sabbah and his Shiite hashish eating assassins…….

colourful sydney racing identity said :

I would not particularly want my mother/sister/daughter working as a fashion model or a talk back radio host, doesn’t mean that no-one should.

Scenario:

Mr Colourful:
“So, has everybody had a successful year? What have you been up to, Master Colourful?”
Master Colourful: “Oh, I got a new job”
Mrs Colourful: “That’s great! What are you doing?”
Master Colourful: “I’ve got a job working as a Real Estate Agent”
Mr Colourful: “Oh”
Mrs Colourful: “Never mind.”
Miss Colourful: “Loser”
Mrs Colourful: “What about you, Miss Colourful? I gather you have a new job as well?”
Miss Colourful: “Yes, now I’m working as a prostitute. We snort a fair bit of speed. When we take heroin, we make sure we inject it inbetween our toes, because the fat hairy bald men who pay us don’t tip as well when you’ve got an armful of trackmarks. Sometimes the police raid us, but that’s not so bad, we just throw them a bung – it’s harder on the girls who are underage, because they have to pay the cops off more than we do on account of their fake IDs. Sometimes the bald fat hairy men refuse to use a condom, but that’s OK because we ask them for an extra $100, which means we can afford cocaine occasionally and I don’t often end up with herpes or gonorrhea anyway”
Mrs Colourful: “That’s nice dear”.

colourful sydney racing identity8:37 am 20 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

You also have women who head out to nightspots, get totally drunk and brag on Monday they slept with someone whose name they don’t know. Then you have others who string men along with the expectation of getting lucky, but who are really after free drinks.

One’s a prostitute and immoral, the other a woman just having a good time.
.

No, the other one’s a slut. And immoral.

Who behaves like this anyway? A few scraggy bogans covered in tattoos? Yuk.

I noticed nobody is able to reply to me questions about which of their family members they would like to see working as whores.

So, for all their hard work attempting to normalise this vile, low-class behaviour, they can’t actually bring themselves to actually think of it as normal.

I would not particularly want my mother/sister/daughter working as a fashion model or a talk back radio host, doesn’t mean that no-one should.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot8:31 am 20 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

You also have women who head out to nightspots, get totally drunk and brag on Monday they slept with someone whose name they don’t know. Then you have others who string men along with the expectation of getting lucky, but who are really after free drinks.

One’s a prostitute and immoral, the other a woman just having a good time.
.

No, the other one’s a slut. And immoral.

Who behaves like this anyway? A few scraggy bogans covered in tattoos? Yuk.

I noticed nobody is able to reply to me questions about which of their family members they would like to see working as whores.

So, for all their hard work attempting to normalise this vile, low-class behaviour, they can’t actually bring themselves to actually think of it as normal.

I’d rather they be whores than whatever it is you are.

c_c said :

You also have women who head out to nightspots, get totally drunk and brag on Monday they slept with someone whose name they don’t know. Then you have others who string men along with the expectation of getting lucky, but who are really after free drinks.

One’s a prostitute and immoral, the other a woman just having a good time.
.

No, the other one’s a slut. And immoral.

Who behaves like this anyway? A few scraggy bogans covered in tattoos? Yuk.

I noticed nobody is able to reply to me questions about which of their family members they would like to see working as whores.

So, for all their hard work attempting to normalise this vile, low-class behaviour, they can’t actually bring themselves to actually think of it as normal.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:55 am 20 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

HenryBG said :

Deref said :

fnaah said :

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Someone give that man a cigar.

HenryBG – you’re entitled to believe whatever fairy tales you like, but that doesn’t give you the right to impose your so-called morality on the rest of us.

No-one’s forcing you to use the services of prostitutes or to marry a man – although we do draw the line at stoning to death any woman not found to be a virgin when she marries (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) or the same for adisrespectful child (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) – and a few other things your imaginary friend requires of you.

And don’t give us that BS about the new testament overriding Jehova’s injunctions – your other imaginary friend Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

Did you ever read the thread here about the local sex worker here(tessa???)

Can you tell me how anything she does is immoral?

Which of, your mother, your wife, or your daughter would you like to see swap places with Tessa? If not, why not?

I’m not going to think of either my mother or my daughter in any sort of sexual activity and my wife is just for me.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:54 am 20 Jul 12

And skips jury duty

HenryBG said :

Deref said :

fnaah said :

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Someone give that man a cigar.

HenryBG – you’re entitled to believe whatever fairy tales you like, but that doesn’t give you the right to impose your so-called morality on the rest of us.

No-one’s forcing you to use the services of prostitutes or to marry a man – although we do draw the line at stoning to death any woman not found to be a virgin when she marries (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) or the same for adisrespectful child (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) – and a few other things your imaginary friend requires of you.

And don’t give us that BS about the new testament overriding Jehova’s injunctions – your other imaginary friend Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

I believe the book says “let he who is without sin, throw the first stone”.

You are not without sin. And you have, quite literally, thown stones. I am astonished you have not been chucked in jail for common assault.

You should be aware that, for the rest of your days on this site, which I pray will be short, I will be there to remind people “Henry BG throws rocks at whores”.

Look I approach this from a different perspective.

Firstly from the supply side:

You have some women who choose to sell companionship/themselves for money. (Let’s avoid the sex trafficking aspect for now).

You also have women who head out to nightspots, get totally drunk and brag on Monday they slept with someone whose name they don’t know. Then you have others who string men along with the expectation of getting lucky, but who are really after free drinks.

One’s a prostitute and immoral, the other a woman just having a good time.

Then the demand side.

You have men and women (yes, women pay for it too) who hand over payment for a service.

You also have men and women who go to nightspots, spend a whole heap on drinks in the expectation of scoring.

One’s a ‘John,’ the other just out to have a good time.

So the perspective I have is one opposing double standards. Because there are guys buying it at nightclubs, just as surely as there are women selling it.

I’m not going to declare the commercialisation of sex as moral, but nor am I going to say it’s immoral things being relative.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

HenryBG said :

Deref said :

fnaah said :

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Someone give that man a cigar.

HenryBG – you’re entitled to believe whatever fairy tales you like, but that doesn’t give you the right to impose your so-called morality on the rest of us.

No-one’s forcing you to use the services of prostitutes or to marry a man – although we do draw the line at stoning to death any woman not found to be a virgin when she marries (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) or the same for adisrespectful child (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) – and a few other things your imaginary friend requires of you.

And don’t give us that BS about the new testament overriding Jehova’s injunctions – your other imaginary friend Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

Did you ever read the thread here about the local sex worker here(tessa???)

Can you tell me how anything she does is immoral?

Which of, your mother, your wife, or your daughter would you like to see swap places with Tessa? If not, why not?

HenryBG said :

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

Yes; but only if it meant they got out of having to do jury duty……..

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:19 pm 19 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

Deref said :

fnaah said :

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Someone give that man a cigar.

HenryBG – you’re entitled to believe whatever fairy tales you like, but that doesn’t give you the right to impose your so-called morality on the rest of us.

No-one’s forcing you to use the services of prostitutes or to marry a man – although we do draw the line at stoning to death any woman not found to be a virgin when she marries (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) or the same for adisrespectful child (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) – and a few other things your imaginary friend requires of you.

And don’t give us that BS about the new testament overriding Jehova’s injunctions – your other imaginary friend Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

Did you ever read the thread here about the local sex worker here(tessa???)

Can you tell me how anything she does is immoral?

Mr Gillespie4:14 pm 19 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

……:blah:…….” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

I have a test for you: Why would your mother or wife or daughter ever work as a whore in the first place?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back3:32 pm 19 Jul 12

p1 said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

I would think that the vast majority of Christians are disgusted and outraged by some of the behaviours that have emerged from ‘the church’. In this case, it’s probably worth differentiating between the organisation and the people within it.

I agree completely. However, unless the ACL are willing to denounce, clearly and unambiguously, the actions of, not just the individuals who have abused children, but the people, culture and bureaucracy which covered it up and turned a blind eye, I will consider them to be part of the “organisation” rather then part of the “people”.

Your opinion seems to me to be entirely reasonable. Dealing with past behaviours is something a lot of organisations don’t do well, and I’d suggest the church (as an organisation) is no different. The cover ups and hiding are disgraceful and have made things a lot worse.

Deref said :

fnaah said :

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Someone give that man a cigar.

HenryBG – you’re entitled to believe whatever fairy tales you like, but that doesn’t give you the right to impose your so-called morality on the rest of us.

No-one’s forcing you to use the services of prostitutes or to marry a man – although we do draw the line at stoning to death any woman not found to be a virgin when she marries (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) or the same for adisrespectful child (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) – and a few other things your imaginary friend requires of you.

And don’t give us that BS about the new testament overriding Jehova’s injunctions – your other imaginary friend Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

I don’t believe in fairy tales, unlike you indoctrinees of political correctness.

It is a simple application of commonsense that tells me prostitution is disgusting and immoral:

Here’s the test for you: would you like your mother, your wife, or your daughter to work as a whore?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

I would think that the vast majority of Christians are disgusted and outraged by some of the behaviours that have emerged from ‘the church’. In this case, it’s probably worth differentiating between the organisation and the people within it.

I agree completely. However, unless the ACL are willing to denounce, clearly and unambiguously, the actions of, not just the individuals who have abused children, but the people, culture and bureaucracy which covered it up and turned a blind eye, I will consider them to be part of the “organisation” rather then part of the “people”.

p1 said :

It would seem valid to question the moral authority of a group who seeks to change laws based on the perceived morality of certain commercial endeavours.

…and it’s entirely possible that there are no paedophiles among the ACL.

Imagine tarring them all with a brush dipped in speculation?

As for the moral authority of people who run brothels for a living….well, I din’t even need to speculate about *their* morals, do I?

colourful sydney racing identity2:52 pm 19 Jul 12

Mysteryman said :

p1 said :

It would seem valid to question the moral authority of a group who seeks to change laws based on the perceived morality of certain commercial endeavours.

Questioning their moral authority implies that you’ve actually thought about the issue reasonably. That clearly hasn’t happened in the vast majority of comments here – many of which are suggesting that an entire group of people be written off because the smallest possible percentage of them have acted immorally. The commenters aren’t even clear if that group is all Christian people, or just the ACL, and evidently don’t understand the difference between the two.

It would seem that most of the people here, CSRI being a prime example, don’t even understand what a lobby group does, who they lobby, or what they are responsible for.

your obsession with me is getting embarrasing.

fnaah said :

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Someone give that man a cigar.

HenryBG – you’re entitled to believe whatever fairy tales you like, but that doesn’t give you the right to impose your so-called morality on the rest of us.

No-one’s forcing you to use the services of prostitutes or to marry a man – although we do draw the line at stoning to death any woman not found to be a virgin when she marries (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) or the same for adisrespectful child (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) – and a few other things your imaginary friend requires of you.

And don’t give us that BS about the new testament overriding Jehova’s injunctions – your other imaginary friend Jesus said “Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Matthew 5:18).

I hope you haven’t been eating shellfish.

p1 said :

It would seem valid to question the moral authority of a group who seeks to change laws based on the perceived morality of certain commercial endeavours.

Questioning their moral authority implies that you’ve actually thought about the issue reasonably. That clearly hasn’t happened in the vast majority of comments here – many of which are suggesting that an entire group of people be written off because the smallest possible percentage of them have acted immorally. The commenters aren’t even clear if that group is all Christian people, or just the ACL, and evidently don’t understand the difference between the two.

It would seem that most of the people here, CSRI being a prime example, don’t even understand what a lobby group does, who they lobby, or what they are responsible for.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back2:23 pm 19 Jul 12

p1 said :

chewy14 said :

And as Mysteryman said, you’re drawing a long bow by suggesting that the ACL represents “The Church” and are therefore somehow responsible by child abuse by a tiny minority of priests and teachers.

The issue (however off topic it may, or may not, be) isn’t if the ACT represents “The Church®” but rather the fact that they purport to represent a large chunk of Christians (if this isn’t true, then their name is misleading). Since that is what they purport, by publicly expressing that commercial sex is “A Bad Thing™”, they are leaving themselves open to queries about any “Bad Things™” that may be associated with Christianity specifically.

Some people seemed to be suggesting that before questioning the morality (and making illegal) the actions of members of the larger community, they should look specifically at the actions of the members of a group they represent (specifically the leadership).

It would seem valid to question the moral authority of a group who seeks to change laws based on the perceived morality of certain commercial endeavours.

I would think that the vast majority of Christians are disgusted and outraged by some of the behaviours that have emerged from ‘the church’. In this case, it’s probably worth differentiating between the organisation and the people within it.

devils_advocate2:16 pm 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

I asked you to present some evidence showing that sex abuse of little boys by priests is a major problem in Canberra.
I’m not sure, have there been any recent cases that I’m unaware of? Or is stuff that happened 10-20 years ago by teachers the worst of it?

These types of crime have high latency between incidence and reporting. So the fact that the current reports relate to 20, 30, or more years ago doesn’t preclude ongoing conduct.

And I still think even one case is a major problem, since for every case that comes to light, there are likely to be others that are unreported, covered up by the church, or more.

As noted above, the actions of the church detract from the moral authority of its members. Which is a shame in many ways, because historically catholics have done some great things as well. But the terrible, terrible things tarnish the reputation irreparably.

colourful sydney racing identity2:10 pm 19 Jul 12

p1 said :

chewy14 said :

And as Mysteryman said, you’re drawing a long bow by suggesting that the ACL represents “The Church” and are therefore somehow responsible by child abuse by a tiny minority of priests and teachers.

The issue (however off topic it may, or may not, be) isn’t if the ACT represents “The Church®” but rather the fact that they purport to represent a large chunk of Christians (if this isn’t true, then their name is misleading). Since that is what they purport, by publicly expressing that commercial sex is “A Bad Thing™”, they are leaving themselves open to queries about any “Bad Things™” that may be associated with Christianity specifically.

Some people seemed to be suggesting that before questioning the morality (and making illegal) the actions of members of the larger community, they should look specifically at the actions of the members of a group they represent (specifically the leadership).

It would seem valid to question the moral authority of a group who seeks to change laws based on the perceived morality of certain commercial endeavours.

Well said, thank you.

chewy14 said :

And as Mysteryman said, you’re drawing a long bow by suggesting that the ACL represents “The Church” and are therefore somehow responsible by child abuse by a tiny minority of priests and teachers.

The issue (however off topic it may, or may not, be) isn’t if the ACT represents “The Church®” but rather the fact that they purport to represent a large chunk of Christians (if this isn’t true, then their name is misleading). Since that is what they purport, by publicly expressing that commercial sex is “A Bad Thing™”, they are leaving themselves open to queries about any “Bad Things™” that may be associated with Christianity specifically.

Some people seemed to be suggesting that before questioning the morality (and making illegal) the actions of members of the larger community, they should look specifically at the actions of the members of a group they represent (specifically the leadership).

It would seem valid to question the moral authority of a group who seeks to change laws based on the perceived morality of certain commercial endeavours.

colourful sydney racing identity1:33 pm 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the legal sex industry is worse that child sex abuse by the church?

I don’t think they’re related.

I’ve personally got no problem with a legal sex industry as long as it’s well regulated to prevent abuse and related issues. If people want to pay for sex and others freely willing to get paid doing it, then I don’t care. Go for it.

Child sex abuse by “the Church” is a horrible crime, but as I said I don’t really see the relevance in Canberra today. I asked you to present some evidence showing that sex abuse of little boys by priests is a major problem in Canberra.
I’m not sure, have there been any recent cases that I’m unaware of? Or is stuff that happened 10-20 years ago by teachers the worst of it?

And as Mysteryman said, you’re drawing a long bow by suggesting that the ACL represents “The Church” and are therefore somehow responsible by child abuse by a tiny minority of priests and teachers.

I never said that the ACL represents ‘the church’, not only that I, have never even thought that they do.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back1:08 pm 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the legal sex industry is worse that child sex abuse by the church?

I don’t think they’re related.

I’ve personally got no problem with a legal sex industry as long as it’s well regulated to prevent abuse and related issues. If people want to pay for sex and others freely willing to get paid doing it, then I don’t care. Go for it.

Child sex abuse by “the Church” is a horrible crime, but as I said I don’t really see the relevance in Canberra today. I asked you to present some evidence showing that sex abuse of little boys by priests is a major problem in Canberra.
I’m not sure, have there been any recent cases that I’m unaware of? Or is stuff that happened 10-20 years ago by teachers the worst of it?

And as Mysteryman said, you’re drawing a long bow by suggesting that the ACL represents “The Church” and are therefore somehow responsible by child abuse by a tiny minority of priests and teachers.

Well said.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the legal sex industry is worse that child sex abuse by the church?

I don’t think they’re related.

I’ve personally got no problem with a legal sex industry as long as it’s well regulated to prevent abuse and related issues. If people want to pay for sex and others freely willing to get paid doing it, then I don’t care. Go for it.

Child sex abuse by “the Church” is a horrible crime, but as I said I don’t really see the relevance in Canberra today. I asked you to present some evidence showing that sex abuse of little boys by priests is a major problem in Canberra.
I’m not sure, have there been any recent cases that I’m unaware of? Or is stuff that happened 10-20 years ago by teachers the worst of it?

And as Mysteryman said, you’re drawing a long bow by suggesting that the ACL represents “The Church” and are therefore somehow responsible by child abuse by a tiny minority of priests and teachers.

colourful sydney racing identity11:57 am 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

devils_advocate said :

chewy14 said :

Ah lovely strawman. How many priests have been raping little boys lately in Canberra? Got any evidence that it’s a major problem in Canberra?

Two words: Daramalan College.

see also: Marist brothers.

Also, any incidence rate greater than zero constitutes a “major problem”.

Kthnxbai.

Wow, you really have your finger on the pulse there. Perhaps my definition of “lately” is different to yours.

And your definition of “major problem” is an interesting one. In fact it would include hundreds if not thousands of institutions in Australia.

I suppose you think they should all be conducting major investigations into their behaviour?

Do you think the legal sex industry is worse that child sex abuse by the church?

devils_advocate said :

chewy14 said :

Ah lovely strawman. How many priests have been raping little boys lately in Canberra? Got any evidence that it’s a major problem in Canberra?

Two words: Daramalan College.

see also: Marist brothers.

Also, any incidence rate greater than zero constitutes a “major problem”.

Kthnxbai.

Wow, you really have your finger on the pulse there. Perhaps my definition of “lately” is different to yours.

And your definition of “major problem” is an interesting one. In fact it would include hundreds if not thousands of institutions in Australia.

I suppose you think they should all be conducting major investigations into their behaviour?

devils_advocate said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

WTF? How is it religious bashing to point out there is a far more insidious crime taking place regularly and out of public view within their organisation , and that they should probably remove the plank from their own eye before worrying about the mote in someone elses?

Let us ignore for the moment, the stupidty of your suggestion that the ACL is committing ” insidious crime taking place regularly and out of public”.

Let me get this straight, when it comes to the issue of same-sex marriage, the ACL “doesn’t represent all Christians!!1! Their argument should be ignored because they don’t speak for all of them!1! lolol1l1”

…and yet, when it comes to the issue of the sex industry, somehow the ACL now represents (and is mysteriously responsible for) all Christians, including an incredibly miniscule amount that may have been involved in sex-related abuses?

Wow. All hail the faultless reasoning of the anti-religion atheist brigade.

colourful sydney racing identity11:22 am 19 Jul 12

Mysteryman said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

You don’t think they should be focussing on that first? Wow…

Ah lovely strawman. How many priests have been raping little boys lately in Canberra? Got any evidence that it’s a major problem in Canberra?

I don’t care if you want to bag out religious people, I just find it a bit hypocritical for someone who’s often decrying kneejerk comments from people on other issues.

Seriously, what would your reaction be if someone made a similar comment as yours in a thread about an Aboriginal group protesting for land rights or sovereignty?

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Reply

Spiral said :

JC said :

Wasn’t Jesus said to be knocking off Mary Magdalene, whom many consider to be a prostitute? That would mean if he didn’t support it then he would be a hypocrite.

Don’t be silly! Do you really think the son of god wouldn’t have been getting freebies? I’m sure he didn’t pay her.

And for once cries of ‘Oh God’ would have been appropriate.

colourful sydney racing identity11:11 am 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

You don’t think they should be focussing on that first? Wow…

Seriously, what would your reaction be if someone made a similar comment as yours in a thread about an Aboriginal group protesting for land rights or sovereignty?

If an Aboriginal group was campaiging against legalised prostitution, I would agree that the should probably first focus on the disgraceful practices that occur in many remote indigenous communites.

colourful sydney racing identity11:09 am 19 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Which do you think is a bigger problem, legalised prostitution or the sexual abuse of children by people in positions of authority?

I get it. Anybody who’s down on prostitution is a paedophile.

Is there a special course where you learn this style of argumentation?

Have you managed to convince yourself that it is effective or meaningful?

Oh puhlease…what a ridiculous attempt to put words in my mouth. Answer the question.

JC said :

Wasn’t Jesus said to be knocking off Mary Magdalene, whom many consider to be a prostitute? That would mean if he didn’t support it then he would be a hypocrite.

Don’t be silly! Do you really think the son of god wouldn’t have been getting freebies? I’m sure he didn’t pay her.

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

You don’t think they should be focussing on that first? Wow…

Ah lovely strawman. How many priests have been raping little boys lately in Canberra? Got any evidence that it’s a major problem in Canberra?

I don’t care if you want to bag out religious people, I just find it a bit hypocritical for someone who’s often decrying kneejerk comments from people on other issues.

Seriously, what would your reaction be if someone made a similar comment as yours in a thread about an Aboriginal group protesting for land rights or sovereignty?

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Reply

I agree with Henry in that I don’t like the idea of streetworkers operating out of back alleys, or in residential areas.

Surely it is much better to have registered brothels in industrial suburbs. I agree that recent events have demonstrated that the system here in Canberra is a long way from perfect and certainly needs work, but I believe it is still better that trying to outlaw the business.

Closing down the legal brothels is only going to increase the amount of business in back alleys and suburbia.

devils_advocate10:56 am 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

Ah lovely strawman. How many priests have been raping little boys lately in Canberra? Got any evidence that it’s a major problem in Canberra?

Two words: Daramalan College.

see also: Marist brothers.

Also, any incidence rate greater than zero constitutes a “major problem”.

Kthnxbai.

devils_advocate10:53 am 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

WTF? How is it religious bashing to point out there is a far more insidious crime taking place regularly and out of public view within their organisation, and that they should probably remove the plank from their own eye before worrying about the mote in someone elses?

HenryBG said :

We would literally throw stones at them….

Ahhh, the Taliban Approach to Raising Community Standards. Love it.Henry.

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

I don’t agree. What is tasteless and disgusting about two people engaging in sexual intercourse?
.

When one of them’s a pervert doing his best to give STDs to his wife, and the other is a junkie doing her best to give STDs to her client you have one big disgusting tastelss mess.

I used to live in St Kilda – we used to give the junkies and the whores hell. They used to try to do their business in our side street and leave their condoms lying around. (and their needles, thanks to the do-gooders handing them out willy-nilly).
We would literally throw stones at them (and their clients’ cars) when we saw them. The revolting germ bags and their pervert clients soon learnt to stay well away from our neighbourhood, let me tell you. (What were they going to do? Call the police?).

If everybody had the balls to do the same, there’d be no prostitution at all.

It’s pretty clear who the actual blight on society is here.

You, Henry, are an abusive, self righteous douche.

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

I don’t agree. What is tasteless and disgusting about two people engaging in sexual intercourse?
.

When one of them’s a pervert doing his best to give STDs to his wife, and the other is a junkie doing her best to give STDs to her client you have one big disgusting tastelss mess.

I used to live in St Kilda – we used to give the junkies and the whores hell. They used to try to do their business in our side street and leave their condoms lying around. (and their needles, thanks to the do-gooders handing them out willy-nilly).
We would literally throw stones at them (and their clients’ cars) when we saw them. The revolting germ bags and their pervert clients soon learnt to stay well away from our neighbourhood, let me tell you. (What were they going to do? Call the police?).

If everybody had the balls to do the same, there’d be no prostitution at all.

Nothing like casting the first stone, is there? I can’t believe that you think your behaviour was acceptable. Throwing stones at women is not a solution to anything.

colourful sydney racing identity9:59 am 19 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

LSWCHP said :

I don’t agree. What is tasteless and disgusting about two people engaging in sexual intercourse?
.

When one of them’s a pervert doing his best to give STDs to his wife, and the other is a junkie doing her best to give STDs to her client you have one big disgusting tastelss mess.

I used to live in St Kilda – we used to give the junkies and the whores hell. They used to try to do their business in our side street and leave their condoms lying around. (and their needles, thanks to the do-gooders handing them out willy-nilly).
We would literally throw stones at them (and their clients’ cars) when we saw them. The revolting germ bags and their pervert clients soon learnt to stay well away from our neighbourhood, let me tell you. (What were they going to do? Call the police?).

If everybody had the balls to do the same, there’d be no prostitution at all.

Not only are you a prick (throwing rocks at women, how very brave of you), you are a stupid one as well – legalised and regulate prostitution is the most sensible way to stop the spread of std’s and sti’s amongst sex workers and their clients

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Which do you think is a bigger problem, legalised prostitution or the sexual abuse of children by people in positions of authority?

I get it. Anybody who’s down on prostitution is a paedophile.

Is there a special course where you learn this style of argumentation?

Have you managed to convince yourself that it is effective or meaningful?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

You don’t think they should be focussing on that first? Wow…

Ah lovely strawman. How many priests have been raping little boys lately in Canberra? Got any evidence that it’s a major problem in Canberra?

I don’t care if you want to bag out religious people, I just find it a bit hypocritical for someone who’s often decrying kneejerk comments from people on other issues.

Seriously, what would your reaction be if someone made a similar comment as yours in a thread about an Aboriginal group protesting for land rights or sovereignty?

LSWCHP said :

I don’t agree. What is tasteless and disgusting about two people engaging in sexual intercourse?
.

When one of them’s a pervert doing his best to give STDs to his wife, and the other is a junkie doing her best to give STDs to her client you have one big disgusting tastelss mess.

I used to live in St Kilda – we used to give the junkies and the whores hell. They used to try to do their business in our side street and leave their condoms lying around. (and their needles, thanks to the do-gooders handing them out willy-nilly).
We would literally throw stones at them (and their clients’ cars) when we saw them. The revolting germ bags and their pervert clients soon learnt to stay well away from our neighbourhood, let me tell you. (What were they going to do? Call the police?).

If everybody had the balls to do the same, there’d be no prostitution at all.

colourful sydney racing identity7:47 am 19 Jul 12

Mysteryman said :

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

Indeed. The attitudes of many of the people commenting here would almost most be humorous if they weren’t so pitiful.

You are so sadly predictable. Which do you think is a bigger problem, legalised prostitution or the sexual abuse of children by people in positions of authority?

colourful sydney racing identity7:44 am 19 Jul 12

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

You don’t think they should be focussing on that first? Wow…

c_c said :

The annoying thing is these extremist christians do all the same things they claim are wrong, but they treat it differently when they do it because they know how to say sorry to the big man. A bunch of rosary beads is a gold pass to do wrong.

Now in recent years we’ve seen plenty of people from the sex industry face court for the wrong they have done. Over that time we’ve heard of plenty of people from the Church who have done wrong, I can’t recall one ending up in court.

I’m not here to judge what is and isn’t moral. I’m simply saying the rule as to be applied fairly to all.

Does making idiotic, sweeping generalisations not based on anything remotely approaching a fact, make you feel special? It makes you look “special”.

poetix said :

Protection of sex workers should be the priority. It’s not that Jesus would support prostitution, but it’s clear that he would want the full humanity of sex workers recognised and their rights protected. He was able to walk and chew (dates?) at the same time.

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal (as it needs to be, realistically).

Dick Thackway is just too good a name! Somehow I think that this ‘Christian’ Lobby is really going to annoy me over the next little while.

Wasn’t Jesus said to be knocking off Mary Magdalene, whom many consider to be a prostitute? That would mean if he didn’t support it then he would be a hypocrite.

But yes the rights of sex workers should be paramount in any discussion, but frankly the Christian Lobby should keep THEIR moral standards out of politics and stick to counselling and preaching to their own. Heaven only knows there are many in their flock that need some serious help.

Gee people really like prostitution here.

The annoying thing is these extremist christians do all the same things they claim are wrong, but they treat it differently when they do it because they know how to say sorry to the big man. A bunch of rosary beads is a gold pass to do wrong.

Now in recent years we’ve seen plenty of people from the sex industry face court for the wrong they have done. Over that time we’ve heard of plenty of people from the Church who have done wrong, I can’t recall one ending up in court.

I’m not here to judge what is and isn’t moral. I’m simply saying the rule as to be applied fairly to all.

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

I ask you kindly not to refer to your morals as ‘our’ society. In the society I live in there is tolerance, understanding, empathy and a non-judgmental attitude.

And in case you’re wondering, I’ve never used an escort service and I’ve been with the same lovely lady for nearly 16 years. I just happen to believe that consenting adults or paying customers can do what they like. How do the tarts and their clients affect you anyway?

Moral do-gooders are more of a blight to society.

chewy14 said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

Indeed. The attitudes of many of the people commenting here would almost most be humorous if they weren’t so pitiful.

Baldy said :

Actually Jivrashia’s question challenged me a bit i must say.

I’m actually not for or against prostitution or the sex industry.
Prostitution has its own problems, but so has may other activities that white collar people conduct.
In order to minimise the problem I think society has an obligation to regulate it, because the activity is not going away. As they say, it is the oldest industry know to humans.

What I have difficulties with is when people simply dismiss things as “wrong” or “disgusting”, without backing it up with objective arguments.

To me, prostitution is a private affair between two consenting adults. I actually look at it like the R18+ rating that will soon be available on video games. It is up to the individual to divulge in it, or walk away from it.

Given half a chance I believe I can write up a list of arguments against prostitution. Of course it will be limited to my understanding and experience of the world, and counter arguments would be easy to come by.

Having said that, I still believe in people’s freedom to choose, as long as it doesn’t negatively affect individuals involved, and our society in general.

The Christian Lobby are one of the most un-Christ-like organisations I have ever had the misfortune to hear of. I suspect their main appeal is to fundamental Catholics who actually think people should obey the Pope’s daft edicts on homosexuality, contraception etc (most Catholics don’t – they have a brain).

screaming banshee8:11 pm 18 Jul 12

Known to have associated with?….his mum was a whore…..”I’m a virgin, god did it” puhlease

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:37 pm 18 Jul 12

Once againg, Henry bg fitting into he right wing Christian mold( even if he denies it)

I never have nor intend to visit a sex worker. I would find it incredibly awkward and not satisfying, but there are loads of people who do do it. Nothing wrong with tht.

I agree with others that it does need to be regulated a lot better in this town.

Dilandach said :

These are people who hold others up to moral standards that they themselves ashamedly can’t live up to.

You’d think that cleaning their own house would be first on their priorities but apparently not.

Agreed. I sense that the laundry in the brothels is alot cleaner than those of the local catholic schools.

Work with the sex industry, protect the workers, work with Dept of Health, and above all show tolerance and acceptance. I think these are christian values, are they not?

I am sure that by working with the industry they would be able to have alot more influence than actively working against them?

poetix said :

You also get the feeling that some ‘Christians’ find it a bit distasteful that ‘the bad woman’ was the first to see the resurrected Jesus. Like he should have called in at the local Gloria Jeans and said hello to the pack of bogan mothers whingeing about teenage girls wearing really short shorts or how refugees need to fit in with ‘our’ ways.

‘Oh look, it’s the Saviour.’
‘Can’t he get a proper haircut?’
‘Don’t worry ladies, that’s my next port of call. I’ll just have a frappuccino and then it’s snip-snip. Then back up to the right hand of the Father!’
‘Oh Jesus, you’re so funny. Glad to see you dumped that awful slut. Been on a cruise? It’s just that you’ve got such a tan.’ ..

‘and I see you got some new body piercings through your hands and feet.. They look a bit extreme’

planet42 said :

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society

No it’s not. It’s good fun. As an extremely occassional client I reject your comment. I’m not a blight on society. I donate money to charity and the RSPCA, WSPA all the time. Two weeks ago I donated $100 to the Vinnies Winter appeal, $100 to the Southcare Helicopter Rescue Service and $100 each to NSW Wildlife and Victoria Wildlife. I also have regular deductions from my pay to the SALVO’s and
WSPA. So please tell me why I’m a blight. How much money have you donated to charity recently, HenryBG?

But think of all the sex you could have bought with that money?

HenryBG said :

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

That doesn’t actually answer the question that was asked.

Actually Jivrashia’s question challenged me a bit i must say. I have never indulged in paying for sex due to thoughts of a similar natre but once the question was asked and the way it was asked it has made me question why I think it is wrong.

I don’t think the answer is easily dismissed as “because I was bought up that way to think it was” is the whole truth as I was bought to think a lot of things were wrong which I now know/believe isn’t.

To answer the question simply though, for me sex is about intimacy and passion, two things that I wont get with an exchange of money. I also have reservations about if this is the best for the person offering the service (thoughts about people trafficking keep popping into my head).

I think I need to think about this a bit more. I certainly don’t think it should be illegal as that wont solve anything and infact may increase the people trafficking and decrease the protection afford to sex workers by the law in respect to assults and pay disputes.

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society

No it’s not. It’s good fun. As an extremely occassional client I reject your comment. I’m not a blight on society. I donate money to charity and the RSPCA, WSPA all the time. Two weeks ago I donated $100 to the Vinnies Winter appeal, $100 to the Southcare Helicopter Rescue Service and $100 each to NSW Wildlife and Victoria Wildlife. I also have regular deductions from my pay to the SALVO’s and
WSPA. So please tell me why I’m a blight. How much money have you donated to charity recently, HenryBG?

HenryBG said :

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

Are we still talking about sex workers, or was this aimed at taxi drivers?

Uhmmm. Ok I realy really don’t like the ACL. AT all. Just putting it out there. And I am an Athiest to the core. No offence to the relgious minded, but It doesn’t sit with me. I couldn’t believe if I tried.

On Saying that how is all the anti christian gang up on here relevent to the story? If you must abuse someone abuse the ACL for it’s extremist views on this an other matters.

It just that a lot of the posts so far sound rather a lot like the anti-muslim rants on another recently popular thread here.

Back on the tread, I wonder if this Richard Thackway (heh on the name) is going to be as big a pain as
Jim Wallace.

HenryBG said :

tasteless and disgusting.

Some people think the same thing about burping, farting, picking your nose in a public place.
And guys wearing pink clothes (sorry Jane, Glenn).
And neckbeards.
And moles.
And… the list goes on.

HenryBG said :

It’s immoral,

There are a lot of activities in our lives that are immoral, except we’ve become accustomed to ignore them. There was this guy who bought a new iPad with the inscription “Made with the tears of 1,000,000 Chinese workers”. At least he was well aware of what he was doing.

HenryBG said :

Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

I can think of many other things that have been a much worse burden on our society. Alcohol and gambling, for example.

Frankly, such biased view is what should be set to a minimum during the debate on this industry. The last thing needed in an argument is an unconstructive statement such as “because it’s wrong/disgusting”.

HenryBG said :

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

I don’t agree. What is tasteless and disgusting about two people engaging in sexual intercourse?

There may be bad things about the trade, such as exploitation of the workers, but that’s why I’d prefer it all to be in the open and tightly regulated, rather than forced underground.

colourful sydney racing identity4:34 pm 18 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

they are certainly a couple of rungs above jury duty dodgers.

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

Earthly Pleasure is my middle name. (Or names.) So far as I’m aware, it’s the only sort of pleasure around! I just think the lack of *mutual* desire involved in prostitution is very sad, and reinforces gender inequality. Money changes the equation quite significantly.

I explicitly said it should not be illegal, though. There are lots of things below a crime which are less than wonderful.

HenryBG said :

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

And that’s the way it’s been since time immemorial…

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

Ah religious bashing, how refreshing.

“Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society”

Hey, fella. They’re both welcome in MY society. You know, the one we’re living in right now, that has laws to govern this sort of thing.

Your morality is NOT “our society”.

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

It’s immoral, tasteless and disgusting. Both the tarts and their clients are a blight on our society.

I wonder how many of the ACT’s practising prostitutes are also practising Christians?

I also wonder how many of the ACT’s prostitutes customers are practising Christians?

poetix said :

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal.

Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that conclusion if we were to leave religion (christian) aside for the moment?

It’s true that sex workers are always at risk, including STD, violence, demeaning discrimination.
But then so are other legal occupations within our society (taxi drivers come to mind as one of high risk).

Or did you mean the act of paying for earthly pleasure is a sinphysical gratification is a crime?

You also get the feeling that some ‘Christians’ find it a bit distasteful that ‘the bad woman’ was the first to see the resurrected Jesus. Like he should have called in at the local Gloria Jeans and said hello to the pack of bogan mothers whingeing about teenage girls wearing really short shorts or how refugees need to fit in with ‘our’ ways.

‘Oh look, it’s the Saviour.’
‘Can’t he get a proper haircut?’
‘Don’t worry ladies, that’s my next port of call. I’ll just have a frappuccino and then it’s snip-snip. Then back up to the right hand of the Father!’
‘Oh Jesus, you’re so funny. Glad to see you dumped that awful slut. Been on a cruise? It’s just that you’ve got such a tan.’

Or on the golf course…

Protection of sex workers should be the priority. It’s not that Jesus would support prostitution, but it’s clear that he would want the full humanity of sex workers recognised and their rights protected. He was able to walk and chew (dates?) at the same time.

Doesn’t mean that paying for sex is a good thing, though, even if it’s legal (as it needs to be, realistically).

Dick Thackway is just too good a name! Somehow I think that this ‘Christian’ Lobby is really going to annoy me over the next little while.

DrKoresh said :

Load of bloody hypocrites needlessly interfering in the lives of other people… Hang on, now I come to think of it they should fit in perfectly into our political landscape.

But seriously, unless they’re working in the interest of sex-worker safety (and I’m willing to bet my eternal soul they’re not) then they’re no doubt just seeking to re-criminalise it which won’t solve a thing.

These are people who hold others up to moral standards that they themselves ashamedly can’t live up to.

You’d think that cleaning their own house would be first on their priorities but apparently not.

Load of bloody hypocrites needlessly interfering in the lives of other people… Hang on, now I come to think of it they should fit in perfectly into our political landscape.

But seriously, unless they’re working in the interest of sex-worker safety (and I’m willing to bet my eternal soul they’re not) then they’re no doubt just seeking to re-criminalise it which won’t solve a thing.

colourful sydney racing identity1:22 pm 18 Jul 12

Maybe they should first focus on stopping priests raping little boys? Just a thought…

“At present… I am operating as an environmental research scientist”

What an odd choice of word – operating. Not working. “Operating”.

One wonders if he’s trying to bring down the whole “science” thing from the inside.

(puts on flame-retardant suit)

Am I the only one who thinks that “religious scientist” is a contradiction in terms?

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