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Mad hoax bomber found to be mad

By johnboy - 24 March 2009 40

The ABC brings news that Tamara Batterham, 35, from Holt, has been found not guilty of her string of bomb hoaxes (to Government House, Parliament House, Virgin Blue, the White House in Washington DC, and the Lodge).

    Batterham told police she had voices in her head and had given up fighting an imaginary man called George, who told her what to say.

    Today the ACT Supreme Court jury found her not guilty on the ground of mental impairment.

Chief Justice Higgins will hear submissions on a treatment order on Friday.

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utah 8:48 pm 24 Mar 09

Emlyn Ward said :

Basically, the streets are crawling with loonies because of a madcap idea by psychologists in the 1970s that loonies should be cared for “in the community”, which just means they sleep rough and end up being abused in prison if their relatives can’t or won’t help them.

I think you’ll find that was politicians looking for a cheaper way of dealing with the mentally ill by kicking them out of hospital. Rather than call it the “kicking them out of hospital” policy, they re-cast it as “care in the community”.

They can’t even agree on the precise diagnosis of any basic mental conditions…

Er, yeah they can – it’s called the “Diagnostics and Statistics Manual”, now up to version 4. It’s a big book that helps trained professionals decide what flavour of loony they’re dealing with.

…let alone an effective treatment for any of them (except for prescribing insanely powerful psychotic drugs that leave their victims pantingly pinned to their chairs and 50kg heavier).

Not true again; I think you’ll find most mental illness treatment involves talking about your problems, rather than drugs. In fact, your common or garden psychologist isn’t allowed to prescribe drugs – he’s not a doctor.

You should know all that; could it be you’ve got a couple of MUs that are hindering your understanding?

Emlyn Ward 8:03 pm 24 Mar 09

If you’re talking about the photo I think you’re talking about then I agree there is *no* way those two guys have a degree (unless it’s from the University of Canberra or some other lowbrow ersatz uni), however those aren’t loonies – those are clearly criminals. Although they are clearly looney criminals.

Furry Jesus 7:52 pm 24 Mar 09

oops. wrong thread.

Furry Jesus 7:51 pm 24 Mar 09

Emlyn Ward said :

Psychologists, psychiatrists – loonies with university degrees.

Cf the loonies in the photo. No chance either of them has a student loan to repay.

BerraBoy68 7:24 pm 24 Mar 09

Emlyn Ward said :

Psychologists, psychiatrists – loonies with university degrees.

Ever notice how many bizarre news items are spawned by these crazy people?

Like this one:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/armed-shrink-unstable-mentally/2007/02/02/1169919518780.html

Wow, you seem to have a lot in common with Tom Cruise and his views on psychologists/psychiatrists. You wouldn’t per chance beleive in Thetans would you?

Personally I think most psychologists/psychiatrists do a great job, particulalry in helping those suffering from depression, stress or other common mental illness.

Emlyn Ward 7:13 pm 24 Mar 09

Psychologists, psychiatrists – loonies with university degrees.

Ever notice how many bizarre news items are spawned by these crazy people?

Like this one:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/armed-shrink-unstable-mentally/2007/02/02/1169919518780.html

Furry Jesus 6:27 pm 24 Mar 09

Emlyn, you seem to be suffering from delusions about psychologists, or perhaps confusing them with psychiatrists.

Psychiatrists can prescribe because of their medical qualifications, and their profession carries more responsibility for deinstitutionalisation and the development of diagnostic frameworks than psychologists (who aren’t able to prescribe)

Many psychs secretly hate the medical profession because they never got the grades to get into Med School, and because psychiatrists think they’re a lower status profession.

I have no evidence to back up that last statement, but I’ve believed it for years. just seemed like a good opportunity to get it off my chest.

Emlyn Ward 6:09 pm 24 Mar 09

Pommy bastard said :

Locking people up for crimes actus et potentia or even a posteriori has been rejected by virtually all societies. You cannot lock someone up for a crime they may commit, otherwise we’d all be locked away.

That is *not* what I suggested – I suggested locking up *loonies* before they end up in trouble with the law.

Pommy bastard said :

If you are proposing a law which would incarcerate those with a predisposition to mental health problems, (say those with a family history of schizophrenia,)

Another strawman – that isn’t even remotely what I suggested – I suggested locking up the *loonies*, not their relatives.

Basically, the streets are crawling with loonies because of a madcap idea by psychologists in the 1970s that loonies should be cared for “in the community”, which just means they sleep rough and end up being abused in prison if their relatives can’t or won’t help them.

As for “…people called psychologists who are very capable and qualified ..”!
Lol!
Is there any other profession that is so singularly incapable? They can’t even agree on the precise diagnosis of any basic mental conditions let alone an effective treatment for any of them (except for prescribing insanely powerful psychotic drugs that leave their victims pantingly pinned to their chairs and 50kg heavier).

Pommy bastard 5:19 pm 24 Mar 09

Emlyn Ward said :

Spot-on – being a criminal is a form of insanity in itself, so it’s very hard to separate loonies from criminals.

The important thing would be to catch loonies *before* they commit any criminal offences and lock them up somewhere where they can be protected from themselves. (And we from them).

Locking people up for crimes actus et potentia or even a posteriori has been rejected by virtually all societies. You cannot lock someone up for a crime they may commit, otherwise we’d all be locked away.

If you are proposing a law which would incarcerate those with a predisposition to mental health problems, (say those with a family history of schizophrenia,) then you would be incarcerating many people who not only would never commit a crime, but also those who would never even get the disease.

I do not find your idea of “justice” or “protecting the public” palatable.

astrojax 5:12 pm 24 Mar 09

yooze is just a feck’n hippy tree huggin’ fraggle, cletus, who shouldn’t BE ALLOWED TO BREATHE, ’cause what LOVE AND HAPPINESS to all on a HIPPY FARM?

…actually, that is an idea i espoused many years ago to much mirth and laughter from the group of police to whom i espoused it – are they hippies too?

Cletus 2 4:48 pm 24 Mar 09

I have a good solution to junkie problem. We should make a big farm in the middle of the country where they grow their own poppies/coca/whatever. They can choose to go to jail and be detoxed etc or they can choose to go there and have as much dope as they like.

They are free to leave, without drugs, whenever they like, at which point they resume their prison sentence.

So they will no longer have to steal from people to support their habit, and they no longer support the drug importers and distributors. And the ones who don’t want to / can’t kick the habit will be much happier and will have abundance of clean(er) junk and not have to do very much. And everyone else will be happier because we don’t have to look at them or have them rummaging through our house/car/etc.

AngryHenry 4:44 pm 24 Mar 09

If I’m going down I’m taking her with me!

jakez 4:42 pm 24 Mar 09

AngryHenry said :

Sorry I meant Emlyn, I obviously haven’t had my medication today. Arrest me please!!!

The thought police are on their way Henry.

AngryHenry 4:41 pm 24 Mar 09

Sorry I meant Emlyn, I obviously haven’t had my medication today. Arrest me please!!!

AngryHenry 4:38 pm 24 Mar 09

Emlyn Ward said :

Spot-on – being a criminal is a form of insanity in itself, so it’s very hard to separate loonies from criminals.

The important thing would be to catch loonies *before* they commit any criminal offences and lock them up somewhere where they can be protected from themselves. (And we from them).

No, no it isn’t.

You see Evelyn there are these people called psychologists who are very capable and qualified at figuring out who is a ‘loony’ and who isn’t.

People commit crime for all kinds of reasons.

Not all criminals are insane and not all insane people are criminals (these psychologists actually have a sub-section called ‘criminal psychologists’ who are very good at assesing who may be criminally insane and who may be just playing the system to get a lighter sentence).

I must be so nice to live inside your head where everything is black and white, I actually think that is a bit nuts, perhaps you should place yourself under house-arrest.

Emlyn Ward 4:11 pm 24 Mar 09

Spot-on – being a criminal is a form of insanity in itself, so it’s very hard to separate loonies from criminals.

The important thing would be to catch loonies *before* they commit any criminal offences and lock them up somewhere where they can be protected from themselves. (And we from them).

I also think it is high time a procedure was developed to issue compulsory treatment orders on any criminal whose crime is associated with any form of substance abuse: in other words thieving junkies and brawling football louts should be subjected to various strenuous controls on their substance abuse including regular testing and confinement for non-co-operation.

Furry Jesus 12:46 pm 24 Mar 09

sepi said :

Todd would go to the lock-up rehab that I also think we need.

Hmm – at this rate with all my specialised lock-ups I’ll be keeping the construction industry busy.

We really only need one specialised lockup, to help the people who are caught in the mental health/drug and alcohol/prison/homelessness circle.

Jim Jones 11:57 am 24 Mar 09

p1 said :

The problem that I have with such a concept, is that to my mind anyone who could rape and murder half a dozen people (random example) must be insane. I mean, do you really think a sane person could do that?

That’s precisely why the legal definition of insanity differs so markedly from the many medical definitions.

It’s not like sanity is an on/off switch anyway – there are so many different degrees and shades of sanity.

sepi 11:47 am 24 Mar 09

Todd would go to the lock-up rehab that I also think we need.

Hmm – at this rate with all my specialised lock-ups I’ll be keeping the construction industry busy.

jakez 11:35 am 24 Mar 09

…umm Yous r all hippy fecks!

BELCO 4 LIFE!

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