6 November 2014

Man arrested after road rage incident

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ACT Policing has arrested a 20-year-old Watson man following an incident of road rage outside the War Memorial, Campbell yesterday (Wednesday, November 5).

About 4.30pm, the offender driving a white ute collided with another vehicle, which was driven by a 79 year-old man. The elderly man has attempted to talk to the driver of the ute, a minor altercation ensued and the driver of the ute left the scene dragging the man approximately 30 metres from Anzac Parade to Limestone Avenue.

The elderly man sustained a large number of abrasions and was taken to Calvary Hospital by ACT Ambulance Services.

Members of City Patrol identified the driver of the ute a short time later and he was arrested before being taken to the ACT Watch House. The Watson man was charged with aggravated/furious/dangerous driving and will face the ACT Magistrates Court on November 19.

Police are urging anyone who witnessed the incident to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

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(ACT Policing Media Release)

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Maya123 said :

Antagonist said :

Maya123 said :

“Ute” on the other hand has a prejudicial feel though, regardless of the age of the driver. It’s not the old fashioned worker’s ute I refer to here, but rather the polished, high-powered model, driven more for show than anything. The sort of vehicle that puts fear into people on bicycles and vehicles driving at the speed limit (or not much above), because there is a notable number of these high powered utes driven by very aggressive drivers.

What a load of rubbish. I own a high powered and highly polished ute. But I do not drive aggressively or torment cyclists. In fact, at different times of year I am a cyclist – or motorcyclist – or ute driver – or sedan driver – or truck driver. There is no link between the type of car and driver behaviour other than the confirmation bias that exists inside your head.

The aggressive utes passing me at speed, driving close behind when I am not under the speed limit, and shouting abuse to me on my bicycle. You’re right, not aggressive at all. I’m betting the speeding statistics would back this up. No, not all ute drivers are aggressive, but there is a noticeable number.

That is the confirmation bias that I was talking about. Confirmation bias is taking new evidence as confirmation of ones existing beliefs. If you check the statistics, you will find there are equal numbers of aggressive drivers in all forms of transport.

wildturkeycanoe6:35 am 08 Nov 14

Maya123 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

From the information gathered in the report here, if you swap the ages around so that it reads like this:
About 4.30pm, the old aged offender driving a white ute collided with another vehicle, which was driven by a 20 year-old man. The young driver has attempted to talk to the driver of the ute, a minor altercation ensued and the elderly driver left the scene dragging the young man approximately 30 metres from Anzac Parade to Limestone Avenue.

The young man sustained a large number of abrasions and was taken to Calvary Hospital by ACT Ambulance Services.

It doesn’t read the same way at all because date of birth is not a factor with road rage. A driver could be 17, 35 or 65 but road rage still happens and you people are way too judgmental of our younger drivers. Did you all automatically become perfect driving angels when you turned 18? No. But you also didn’t earn the right to drive like maniacs when you got to 30, 50 or indeed 80. Of the bad driving habits I’ve seen, especially the ones that inspire road rage, a majority would easily be the elderly. In today’s pressured timelines and stresses to get from point A to point B in order to achieve deadlines, some anger will surely ensue when the drivers who haven’t read the road rules handbook since 1960 get in the way of commuters who are trying to get to work on time instead of taking a mid-week scenic drive.
I won’t rant on anymore, ‘cept to say I am in the apparent minority who want to achieve somewhere within +/- 10km of the speed limit during peak hour and navigate intersections without colliding with those who can’t see past their speedometer.

It said “was driven by a 79 year-old man”.
“the old aged offender driving” is showing your prejudices. I don’t see any difference regards ages. Road rage is road rage, regardless off ages. You swapping the ages around around makes no difference to this, except that you felt it was necessary to swap the ages around and you rewording it to “the old aged offender driving’ shows it’s you who have prejudices re age. There was no age prejudice in the above, except perhaps for the use of the word “elderly”. The ages were factual information. There might be an argument giving the ages was not necessary, but at least giving the actual age, rather than using words like young, old, gives people the chance to read this as they feel, but actually using the word “elderly” does not, even if most people (perhaps) might agree with this. If there was an age prejudice here, it was against the older driver.

“Ute” on the other hand has a prejudicial feel though, regardless of the age of the driver. It’s not the old fashioned worker’s ute I refer to here, but rather the polished, high-powered model, driven more for show than anything. The sort of vehicle that puts fear into people on bicycles and vehicles driving at the speed limit (or not much above), because there is a notable number of these high powered utes driven by very aggressive drivers.

I haven’t shown any prejudice against old drivers in my comparison, I was swapping the ages around to point out that age is irrelevant with road rage and not specific to the junior of our society or to vehicle type.
Yes, I did rant on about older drivers not keeping up to speed on the road rules but what is more dangerous, disobeying road rules or not even knowing them? The analogy of teaching an old dog new tricks comes to mind. Okay, yes I am prejudiced against older drivers, not all of them, just the ones who can’t drive properly. I also am prejudiced against younger P platers, female drivers of other ethnic origins, tradesmen and diplomats, but of all these only those who can’t abide by the road rules.

According to the CT, the younger man collided with his ute into the other car.

Antagonist said :

Maya123 said :

“Ute” on the other hand has a prejudicial feel though, regardless of the age of the driver. It’s not the old fashioned worker’s ute I refer to here, but rather the polished, high-powered model, driven more for show than anything. The sort of vehicle that puts fear into people on bicycles and vehicles driving at the speed limit (or not much above), because there is a notable number of these high powered utes driven by very aggressive drivers.

What a load of rubbish. I own a high powered and highly polished ute. But I do not drive aggressively or torment cyclists. In fact, at different times of year I am a cyclist – or motorcyclist – or ute driver – or sedan driver – or truck driver. There is no link between the type of car and driver behaviour other than the confirmation bias that exists inside your head.

The aggressive utes passing me at speed, driving close behind when I am not under the speed limit, and shouting abuse to me on my bicycle. You’re right, not aggressive at all. I’m betting the speeding statistics would back this up. No, not all ute drivers are aggressive, but there is a noticeable number.

BooUrns said :

What if the old boy was the “road rager” he gets out of his car and starts losing it at the young fella. We dont know.

In any case this is probably not what happened at all the young fella would have been the one to lose it. I got the finger the other day for no reason, all i did was change lanes then the guy who had to give way to me cracked it, He would have to have waited for me to go past anyway i dont get it.

Road rage is on the rise in canberra make no mistake.

Hang on if you are changing lanes then why would any other vehicle need to give way? The vehicle changing lanes MUST give way so no surprise you got a finger if you somehow expected another vehicle to give way to you.

BooUrns said :

Road rage is on the rise in canberra make no mistake.

Ive never been road raged. I have a jack handle just waiting for the occasion .

Maya123 said :

“Ute” on the other hand has a prejudicial feel though, regardless of the age of the driver. It’s not the old fashioned worker’s ute I refer to here, but rather the polished, high-powered model, driven more for show than anything. The sort of vehicle that puts fear into people on bicycles and vehicles driving at the speed limit (or not much above), because there is a notable number of these high powered utes driven by very aggressive drivers.

What a load of rubbish. I own a high powered and highly polished ute. But I do not drive aggressively or torment cyclists. In fact, at different times of year I am a cyclist – or motorcyclist – or ute driver – or sedan driver – or truck driver. There is no link between the type of car and driver behaviour other than the confirmation bias that exists inside your head.

BooUrns said :

What if the old boy was the “road rager” he gets out of his car and starts losing it at the young fella. We dont know.

In any case this is probably not what happened at all the young fella would have been the one to lose it. I got the finger the other day for no reason, all i did was change lanes then the guy who had to give way to me cracked it, He would have to have waited for me to go past anyway i dont get it.

Road rage is on the rise in canberra make no mistake.

You got the finger because you made a Canberra driver give way to you. We Canberra drivers don’t put up with that kind of nonsense.

What if the old boy was the “road rager” he gets out of his car and starts losing it at the young fella. We dont know.

In any case this is probably not what happened at all the young fella would have been the one to lose it. I got the finger the other day for no reason, all i did was change lanes then the guy who had to give way to me cracked it, He would have to have waited for me to go past anyway i dont get it.

Road rage is on the rise in canberra make no mistake.

wildturkeycanoe said :

From the information gathered in the report here, if you swap the ages around so that it reads like this:
About 4.30pm, the old aged offender driving a white ute collided with another vehicle, which was driven by a 20 year-old man. The young driver has attempted to talk to the driver of the ute, a minor altercation ensued and the elderly driver left the scene dragging the young man approximately 30 metres from Anzac Parade to Limestone Avenue.

The young man sustained a large number of abrasions and was taken to Calvary Hospital by ACT Ambulance Services.

It doesn’t read the same way at all because date of birth is not a factor with road rage. A driver could be 17, 35 or 65 but road rage still happens and you people are way too judgmental of our younger drivers. Did you all automatically become perfect driving angels when you turned 18? No. But you also didn’t earn the right to drive like maniacs when you got to 30, 50 or indeed 80. Of the bad driving habits I’ve seen, especially the ones that inspire road rage, a majority would easily be the elderly. In today’s pressured timelines and stresses to get from point A to point B in order to achieve deadlines, some anger will surely ensue when the drivers who haven’t read the road rules handbook since 1960 get in the way of commuters who are trying to get to work on time instead of taking a mid-week scenic drive.
I won’t rant on anymore, ‘cept to say I am in the apparent minority who want to achieve somewhere within +/- 10km of the speed limit during peak hour and navigate intersections without colliding with those who can’t see past their speedometer.

It said “was driven by a 79 year-old man”.
“the old aged offender driving” is showing your prejudices. I don’t see any difference regards ages. Road rage is road rage, regardless off ages. You swapping the ages around around makes no difference to this, except that you felt it was necessary to swap the ages around and you rewording it to “the old aged offender driving’ shows it’s you who have prejudices re age. There was no age prejudice in the above, except perhaps for the use of the word “elderly”. The ages were factual information. There might be an argument giving the ages was not necessary, but at least giving the actual age, rather than using words like young, old, gives people the chance to read this as they feel, but actually using the word “elderly” does not, even if most people (perhaps) might agree with this. If there was an age prejudice here, it was against the older driver.

“Ute” on the other hand has a prejudicial feel though, regardless of the age of the driver. It’s not the old fashioned worker’s ute I refer to here, but rather the polished, high-powered model, driven more for show than anything. The sort of vehicle that puts fear into people on bicycles and vehicles driving at the speed limit (or not much above), because there is a notable number of these high powered utes driven by very aggressive drivers.

Alexandra Craig10:26 am 07 Nov 14

At the end of the day, ANYONE can be a dangerous driver in an instant if they choose to. I’m young, I have a near perfect driving record (except for one very minor ding), and I hate that I have to pay more on insurance and hire cars etc because a few idiot young people ruined it for the rest of us, but it doesn’t mean that all young people are terrible or irresponsible drivers. Elderly people and even people of certain racial backgrounds are frequently associated with being terrible drivers. What about all those white middle aged drivers hey? When are we gonna start shredding on them?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back10:16 am 07 Nov 14

dkNigs said :

Australians are ridiculously angry drivers. A trip somewhere busier, and at the same time a million times calmer should calm a lot of people down on the road.

+ heaps.

ScienceRules said :

dkNigs said :

Australians are ridiculously angry drivers. A trip somewhere busier, and at the same time a million times calmer should calm a lot of people down on the road.

I wonder who was at fault in the accident though? No excuse for assault, but likely to go either way in my mind. The two worst driver groups I see on the road are P platers and old farts. A lot of oldies on the road are too busy holding onto their independence to realise they’re a hazard and should of handed in their licence years ago.

Yes with the fire of a thousand suns!

Young and inexperienced drivers are dangerous while they are learning. Alcohol and drug effected drivers are dangerous because they are impaired.

And the elephant in the room is that elderly drivers are bloody dangerous because their senses are failing, they are often on a cocktail of medications for conditions that may have an impact on their reaction times, vision and hearing and most of all these declines happens so gradually that they don’t actually recognise that they are a menace.

At least our medications are legal and vision is checked annually. Noise is a non-issue as you young people are constantly stuffing wires in your ears so you can’t hear past that anyhow.

wildturkeycanoe11:26 pm 06 Nov 14

From the information gathered in the report here, if you swap the ages around so that it reads like this:
About 4.30pm, the old aged offender driving a white ute collided with another vehicle, which was driven by a 20 year-old man. The young driver has attempted to talk to the driver of the ute, a minor altercation ensued and the elderly driver left the scene dragging the young man approximately 30 metres from Anzac Parade to Limestone Avenue.

The young man sustained a large number of abrasions and was taken to Calvary Hospital by ACT Ambulance Services.

It doesn’t read the same way at all because date of birth is not a factor with road rage. A driver could be 17, 35 or 65 but road rage still happens and you people are way too judgmental of our younger drivers. Did you all automatically become perfect driving angels when you turned 18? No. But you also didn’t earn the right to drive like maniacs when you got to 30, 50 or indeed 80. Of the bad driving habits I’ve seen, especially the ones that inspire road rage, a majority would easily be the elderly. In today’s pressured timelines and stresses to get from point A to point B in order to achieve deadlines, some anger will surely ensue when the drivers who haven’t read the road rules handbook since 1960 get in the way of commuters who are trying to get to work on time instead of taking a mid-week scenic drive.
I won’t rant on anymore, ‘cept to say I am in the apparent minority who want to achieve somewhere within +/- 10km of the speed limit during peak hour and navigate intersections without colliding with those who can’t see past their speedometer.

ScienceRules6:23 pm 06 Nov 14

dkNigs said :

Australians are ridiculously angry drivers. A trip somewhere busier, and at the same time a million times calmer should calm a lot of people down on the road.

I wonder who was at fault in the accident though? No excuse for assault, but likely to go either way in my mind. The two worst driver groups I see on the road are P platers and old farts. A lot of oldies on the road are too busy holding onto their independence to realise they’re a hazard and should of handed in their licence years ago.

Yes with the fire of a thousand suns!

Young and inexperienced drivers are dangerous while they are learning. Alcohol and drug effected drivers are dangerous because they are impaired.

And the elephant in the room is that elderly drivers are bloody dangerous because their senses are failing, they are often on a cocktail of medications for conditions that may have an impact on their reaction times, vision and hearing and most of all these declines happens so gradually that they don’t actually recognise that they are a menace.

Scroll down to the “Motorists cutting each other off vs Pedestrians cutting each other off” one…

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/minor_differences

so true…(the rest are funny too) it’s something about being in our cars. I have no hesitation flippin someone the bird from my car, but I’m way more calm (and way more of a pansy) in person.

Australians are ridiculously angry drivers. A trip somewhere busier, and at the same time a million times calmer should calm a lot of people down on the road.

I wonder who was at fault in the accident though? No excuse for assault, but likely to go either way in my mind. The two worst driver groups I see on the road are P platers and old farts. A lot of oldies on the road are too busy holding onto their independence to realise they’re a hazard and should of handed in their licence years ago.

Firstly, I hope the 79 year old is ok. Drivers are so precious in Australia!!! They really need to relax. Visit overseas like Bali and Thailand and see how all the traffic flows freely there. Not many road rules, but no road rage at all. Even in Europe where we visit, if someone does something wrong when driving, a little toot on the horn and a wave – and all is good. But here, one little thing wrong brings on so much anger…….not warranted. Even I think twice now before I toot the horn. It has to be a dangerous situation if I do, more of a warning.

Wow. Just wow. Hope the older chap makes a full recovery.

First – it sounds like the young bloke in the ute is going to get what is coming to him and I hope the old fella is OK. And most of all, I hope the judiciary give him what he deserves (I am not holding my breath).

But this kind of situation leaves me asking the question: How did the old bloke end up getting himself dragged up the road? Is it because he was going to use his super-human 79 year-old powers to hold the ute back, instead of taking the number plate and making a report to the police? Or did young moron drive the car at him?

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