3 December 2008

Man sets himself on fire

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The Herald Sun is reporting that a man has self immolated like a Buddhist monk outside Parliament House.

He is believed to be part of a group seeking permanent residency.

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tylersmayhem9:18 pm 09 Dec 08

Well, it wouldn’t have been the first time. Last time a dude gave it a shot outside the Parly House, he was pretty successful at burning himself to death…and successful at getting his family what he wanted from all accounts.

Instant Mash5:56 pm 07 Dec 08

Probably just a drunk Uni student in a bed sheet…

Pommy bastard12:30 pm 07 Dec 08

Mr Marat Aminov, the man who is protesting, is actually a permanent resident of Australia and is eligible for citizenship if he wishes to apply. Mr and Mrs Aminov arrived in Australia with their son on temporary business visas back in 1997 and since that time have extended their stay on a number of visas.

In 2007, the former minister, Mr Andrews, intervened to enable them to make an application for an Aged Parent visa. This was lodged in June 2007 and they were granted bridging visas with full work rights. They are now queued for the granting of those visas, as is the case with all applicants.

I want to stress that the family is in Australia lawfully, they are holders of valid visas, they are not being considered for deportation and this has not been considered since the former minister intervened.

WTF was he protesting about then?

I have no sympathy for this person. I have sympathy for people in refugee camps in the Sudan, Kenya, Uganda.

Hopefully blackmail will not secure access for his parents. It sounds as though they were safe in Latvia. No-one is starving in Latvia. It’s part of Europe. If they’ve rendered themselves stateless it will have been quite conscious and strategic. If he wants to carry on like that, put him in a secure mental health unit until he is capable of modifying his behaviour.

Send his parents away, and continue to allow genuine refugees in, in an orderly fashion, under migration law.

It’s the only fair way.

The way I had heard it, sonnyboy Marat got permanent residency through marriage. His marriage [apparently] is no more. He has been on anti-depressants and in counselling for some time. Marat is their only child. The parent parents have applied for residency but been denied.

However, the Minister for Immigration, Chris Evans, put out a media release outlining their situation from his perspective.

So the claim is, they are just in the queue.

Pommy bastard9:40 am 07 Dec 08

poptop said :

~sigh~

Mr Aminov is already permanent resident so him getting deported is not an option.

His parents aren’t permanent residents.

They arrived a decade ago to visit their only son and, not surprisingly, want to stay.

Even if they didn’t want to stay, they have nowhere to go.

The parents are Stateless Aliens.

This is our new, humane Government in practice.

So let me get this right.

The son emigrated legally.

His parents visited him legally.

His parents outstayed their visa allowance, but did not apply for residency.

Their passports are now expired, so they cannot travel overseas.

So he thinks this is worth freefall bungeeing and self immolation for?

That’s so sad 🙁

the trouble is that kevin 24/7 is far too easily offended…

i fail to see what was wrong with what bidgood did, given others attended to the situation. he brought an issue to the public’s attention and made quids for a charity – bloke oughta get a gong, not a bollocking…

You expected the logic to be linear, p1?

The tragedy is that all the MPs and media are so busy lining up to give Bidgood a smacking, that the Aminovs have been forgotten . . . again.

Pommy bastard10:30 am 04 Dec 08

A FEDERAL Labor MP who took a photograph of a protester threatening to set himself alight did not try to sell the photograph to The Daily Telegraph, its editor says.

James Bidgood has apologised for taking the photograph of the protester outside federal parliament, and then giving it to the media in exchange for a donation to charity.

It was for charity, and he has apologoised for it in any case. No big story there then.

And surely if he has provided graphic evidence of this mans attempt to gain publicity, then the man cannot complain?

So he should be apologising to the party and not the family?

Actually the family should be happy. You only do things like this for publicity of your cause, and he had that now. I hope the charity he picked helps refugees.

It provided a visual of an event that is likely to be embarrassing to the Government, thereby making it more newsworthy.

That’s what’s wrong with what Bidgood did.

If he personally profited, or if he was the minister specifically related to the case I could understand, but really, what is wrong with what he did?

He “sold” them to the extent of the proceeds going to a charity.

Would media peopel have to apologise for photographing this bloke kooking-out? The politician ought not to have tried to sell the shots, but I can’t see a problem with him taking them.

I love that KRudd made Bidgood apologise to the family, presumably for being insensitive to the tragedy being played out in public sight.

Will our PM ask as Minister Evans to extend the same courtesy to this family?

There must’ve been some wet ink on the MP’s rule of conduct which says MPs are not allowed to photograph people who are self imolating and then sell the pics to the press.

Not half as confused as Mr and Mrs Aminov I imagine, Thumper.

Johnboy and the Australian Judiciary are right – this is just like reading Kafka’s The Castle.

How about James Bidgood MP having to apologise for selling his snaps to the media though?

I’m confused. They came from somewhere and now want Australian passports so they can go back and visit this somewhere, and yet they are stateless aliens?

Maybe Rudd’s Labor isn’t interested in helping them because they’re not a “Working Family”?

So, when the USSR broke up did everyone there suddenly become stateless aliens? Last time I looked at a map, there seemed to still be a lot of countries in the former-USSR area that didn’t appear to be full of stateless aliens!

~sigh~

Mr Aminov is already permanent resident so him getting deported is not an option.

His parents aren’t permanent residents.

They arrived a decade ago to visit their only son and, not surprisingly, want to stay.

Even if they didn’t want to stay, they have nowhere to go.

The parents are Stateless Aliens.

This is our new, humane Government in practice.

Break out the marshmallows!

Emotional and political blackmail.

I don’t think Australia needs people who behave like this. Let the parents stay but get rid of the son as soon as possible. There are plenty of others in the same or similar predicaments who don’t revert to this type of attention getting.

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot12:03 am 04 Dec 08

farout said :

Sure, let’s grant citizenship to suicidal nutbags, walking torches, boat people and those who obviously don’t meet the health criteria…this country has a budget surplus after all. Oh wait…

Boat people?.

I’m not familiar with this super race of mutant, walking and talking boats.

Are they like Transformers?

I understand the premise, and in general it’s a sensible one: not importing liabilities. Well, this chap definitely seems a major liability.

ant said :

Setting himself on fire would have at least assured him of several years residency… in the burns unit of some hospital.

Since they won’t let doctors with down’s syndrome kids stay here, I can’t see why people as disturbed as this should be admitted either.

The logic behind not letting people in who have medical conditions such as down’s syndrome is that migrants who come to australia to work should add to the australian economy and not cost us so they can use our medical. If the father decides to quit tomorrow being a doctor, the aus community will still need to support the child.

Like I said, the English wasn’t the best, but I spoke to who I assumed was the Mum and I didn’t specifically ask about medicare. But I did ask if they were allowed to work and if the old man (looked pensioner age) got a pension and she said yes.

All she seemed to want was to be able to go and visit some relatives and then come back. And without a passport they could not make the trip.

I heard that he has permanent residency, but his folks don’t. They are not going to be deported, but at the moment they don’t have access to medicare and such.

Weaselburger said :

but no seriously i red about this guy in the CT. Azerbijan is apperently not a country anymore, so him and his family have beel left staleless while living in canberra for 11 years,

That’s close. I saw them protesting the other day and had a chat with them. The English wasn’t the best, but this is what I could get:

They came from the USSR, and that no longer exists. But no one is trying to kick them out of Australia. They can stay here forever. They all have permanent residency. They can work, collect unemployment or any other pension, study, get medicare, get a first home owners grant etc.

The only thing they can’t actually do is leave, because they have no passport from any country. They don’t want to leave permanantly, just go and visit some relatives then come back.

So this guy doused himself in petrol for the right to take a holiday.

Unsure about this guy’s willingness to act in a productive manner if his folks get the nod to stay.
But I do know there a lot of ‘Australian Citizens’ that are nothing more than oxygen thiefs, bludging and frauding their way through life (see Stuart Flats, near Manuka).

Sure, let’s grant citizenship to suicidal nutbags, walking torches, boat people and those who obviously don’t meet the health criteria…this country has a budget surplus after all. Oh wait…

Weaselburger6:50 pm 03 Dec 08

Yeah if he wants permenant residency then he should go through with it and we can have him buried in the graveyard near canberra hospital, that way he will be here for ever…..

but no seriously i red about this guy in the CT. Azerbijan is apperently not a country anymore, so him and his family have beel left staleless while living in canberra for 11 years, he jumped the house of reps barrier and the legislative assembly in desperation. Tough Break!!!!!

Pommy bastard5:43 pm 03 Dec 08

So he threatened to set himself on fire, having previously failed to dive off the gallery. Third time lucky?

This guy has been causing a bit of trouble of Parliament House lately. A month ago he tried to jump into the Reps chamber floor during question time, then on Monday he was successful but didn’t stick the landing, collecting a metal bollard on his way down before being escorted out.

If we had a decent International Airport, he could live there like Tom Hanks in ‘Teminal’.

I accept the family is in a legal pergatory, but can’t understand how they got here without a valid passport.

A bit rough to drive a man to madness in a kafka-esque bureaucracy (Australian judges have described it near as such) and then to mock him for the madness he’s been driven to.

I hear Latvia is very nice this time of year.

NZ will take them – sh1t, they’ll take anyone.

Poor bloke. He must be really desperate.

Mr Aminov has permanent residency and it is the stateless state of his parents that is the cause of all the kerfuffle.

Holden Caulfield3:13 pm 03 Dec 08

ant said :

Since they won’t let doctors with down’s syndrome kids stay here…

Except they did, after the Minister intervened.

Allegedly they are Dagestani; they were born in Azerbaijan but they lived in Latvia.

He tried to swan dive into the House from the Gallery last time

does anyone know what country this guy came from?

The Tele Story, for those who wish to see the photo.

Defiantly nutso, but exactly where do you deport a stateless person to?

Update from the Daily tele…

A MAN doused himself in petrol and threatened to set himself on fire outside Parliament House in Canberra today.

Marat Aminov poured petrol on himself and threatened to set himself alight after trying to gain an audience with the Minister for Immigration.

It is understood Mr Aminov and his family have been trying to gain residency in Australia for some time.

Police managed to talk Mr Aminov out of setting himself alight before taking him to hospital.

Mr Aminov’s mother Alija was also at the scene and became so distraught she too had to be brought to hospital.

Family spokesman Jamal Daoud said the family had been told they had to leave the country.

He said they had been trying to gain an audience with Minister Chris Evans but had not succeeded.

He said the family were desperate as they are stateless and no other country else was willing to take them.

Labor MP James Bidgood happened to be on the grass area outside Parliament House at the same time, attending a function to raise awareness for disabilities.

Mr Bidgood, a former professional photographer, had a camera in his pocket and took the above photo of the escalating and dangerous situation.

Setting himself on fire would have at least assured him of several years residency… in the burns unit of some hospital.

Since they won’t let doctors with down’s syndrome kids stay here, I can’t see why people as disturbed as this should be admitted either.

colourful sydney racing identity2:31 pm 03 Dec 08

p1 said :

Interesting, doesn’t that show a pretty serious desire to become an Australian the whole being willing to die for it?

This sentence doesn’t make much sense.

While I definitely highlights a level of despair and desperation, I imagine that most people consider suicidal behaviour to be a sign of mental ill-health. I don’t know what exactly the policy on letting mentally ill people become Australian is.

Um, yes. user error….

Except his family.

Ironically, setting himself on fire would have been a solution to the problem for everyone involved.

Interesting, doesn’t that show a pretty serious desire to become an Australian the whole being willing to die for it?

This sentence doesn’t make much sense.

While I definitely highlights a level of despair and desperation, I imagine that most people consider suicidal behaviour to be a sign of mental ill-health. I don’t know what exactly the policy on letting mentally ill people become Australian is.

colourful sydney racing identity2:17 pm 03 Dec 08

Special G said :

Send him home. Any person prepared to hunger strike/set themselves on fire/ similar acts should not be considered for citizenship – any person applying should be told of these things.

Interesting, doesn’t that show a pretty serious desire to become an Australian the whole being willing to die for it? How many of us would do that?

I thought there was a total fire ban.

Yes, that is very un-Australian. Maybe if he roasted a few snags on his fire or maybe sniffed the petrol he would have fit in a bit better.

He doesn’t *have* a home, Special G.

Desperate people do desperate things.

Send him home. Any person prepared to hunger strike/set themselves on fire/ similar acts should not be considered for citizenship – any person applying should be told of these things.

Luckily he’ll just have a headache from the fumes but it sounds as though he nearly killed his poor old mum from the shock of it.

Could have been really horrible for the first responders and other visitors.

yeah I know, but I have this image of a Bhuddist monk toasting himself just before tet in Saigon.

Self-immolation has never been exclusively a practice of Buddhist monks.
Hindu widows and charas do it, the Russian Orthodox church did it, Jesuits did it…

Still, its a terrible way to go, worse if you survive..

In that case, as you were.

Well, he sounds like he’d be a great candidate for Australian citizenship – can’t really understand why Immigration wouldn’t consider his application in the first place.

colourful sydney racing identity1:48 pm 03 Dec 08

Apparently didn’t go through with it.

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