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Many more turn out for pro wind rally

johnboy 18 June 2013 44

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A source has sent through the pictures from today’s pro wind rally in Garema Place which has left Alan Jones campaigning against looking even more foolish than usual.

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Malcolm Street 7:04 pm 19 Jun 13

DUB said :

the “Pro-wind” one in Civic had a nice “rent-a-crowd”, who were paid 20 bucks each in cash to attend, all live near by in Civic

Gee, I was there and wasn’t offered $20. Do you have a shred of evidence for this?

dungfungus 1:50 pm 19 Jun 13

Gungahlin Al said :

johnboy said :

I know plenty of people who were at Garema Place and were not paid.

You want to go making an allegation like that I’d like to see some evidence.

Right now it looks as fantasy based as Alan Jones excuses for poor turnouts.

I was there. I want my $20. Where do I go?

Centrelink.

damien haas 1:45 pm 19 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

damien haas said :

I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that it’s a lot easier to protest in Civic than protest at Parliament House. The average man can simply arise from his Civic based desk at lunch and amble to Garema Place. A trip to Parliament House requires some effort.

Light rail across Commonwealth Avenue Bridge could solve that problem, Damien.

One lives in hope.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:19 pm 19 Jun 13

Also, who is going to waste their lunch break for $20

You must not have a brain or are a real bad troll

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:14 pm 19 Jun 13

DUB said :

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.©

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

You seem to be on the same level as dungfungus over there. You are the one making the outlandish claim, therefore it is up to you to provide a source. Anything else before that is not true.

Gungahlin Al 1:01 pm 19 Jun 13

johnboy said :

I know plenty of people who were at Garema Place and were not paid.

You want to go making an allegation like that I’d like to see some evidence.

Right now it looks as fantasy based as Alan Jones excuses for poor turnouts.

I was there. I want my $20. Where do I go?

dungfungus 11:57 am 19 Jun 13

damien haas said :

I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that it’s a lot easier to protest in Civic than protest at Parliament House. The average man can simply arise from his Civic based desk at lunch and amble to Garema Place. A trip to Parliament House requires some effort.

Light rail across Commonwealth Avenue Bridge could solve that problem, Damien.

FioBla 11:34 am 19 Jun 13

damien haas said :

I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that it’s a lot easier to protest in Civic than protest at Parliament House. The average man can simply arise from his Civic based desk at lunch and amble to Garema Place. A trip to Parliament House requires some effort.

Headline
“Insider: Alan Jones sabotages anti-wind farm protest with choice of remote location.”

Barcham 11:29 am 19 Jun 13

DUB said :

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.©

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

Logical fallacy.

The burden of proof rests on you.

Have a read of this: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

DUB 11:28 am 19 Jun 13

JB, I suggest that you read again my first comment- I do not support either , be it Jones or the Greens (or whoever organised that during business hours).
Sure, both rallies had few people, who went there to “defend” their ideology, for free, but majority, on both sides, went there for the “benefit”. Those who attend such rallies are puppets. Over to you. 🙂

Stevian 11:28 am 19 Jun 13

DUB said :

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.©

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

So you’re admitting you made it up?

Postalgeek 11:24 am 19 Jun 13

DUB said :

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.?

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

Doesn’t quite work that way. Naivety rests with those who accept an unsupported statement written anonymously on the interwebs.

If you can support what you say, or tell me how I could verify what you say, I’d be interested in what you have to say.

damien haas 11:21 am 19 Jun 13

I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that it’s a lot easier to protest in Civic than protest at Parliament House. The average man can simply arise from his Civic based desk at lunch and amble to Garema Place. A trip to Parliament House requires some effort.

DUB 11:08 am 19 Jun 13

Stevian said :

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

Prove me wrong ?
I know a lot that you don’t.©

But who will give me all the ‘books’ to photocopy? Please leave your “give me a source or you’ve made it up” reply for naive crowds.

    johnboy 11:13 am 19 Jun 13

    I know plenty of people who were at Garema Place and were not paid.

    You want to go making an allegation like that I’d like to see some evidence.

    Right now it looks as fantasy based as Alan Jones excuses for poor turnouts.

Stevian 10:33 am 19 Jun 13

DUB said :

, the “Pro-wind” one in Civic had a nice “rent-a-crowd”, who were paid 20 bucks each in cash to attend, all live near by in Civic. .

Got a source for that pal, or is it just something you “know” ie made up

DUB 9:45 am 19 Jun 13

Both rallies were a sham, Jones’ “Anti-wind” – many from the crowd had a free day trip to Canberra and a free lunch afterwards, the “Pro-wind” one in Civic had a nice “rent-a-crowd”, who were paid 20 bucks each in cash to attend, all live near by in Civic. Plus many casual passers-by and onlookers. Welcome to Canberra… There you go, one less secret for you all.

2604 9:47 pm 18 Jun 13

Gungahlin Al said :

Christine Milne and Tony Windsor got rock star receptions.

Says it all really.

RedDogInCan 9:27 pm 18 Jun 13

jethro20 said :

What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT? and simply being lugged on people in the regions?

Stand outside for a while – note the lack of steady wind.

jethro20 said :

A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by?

A heck of a lot less than having a gas fired power station within cooee. In fact, as the turbine owner has to pay you rent for using your backyard, the price of your property would increase – which is the main reason behind the anti-wind turbine brigade.

troll-sniffer 8:40 pm 18 Jun 13

jethro20 said :

As someone who does not really have a problem with green energy, I don’t think I would fancy a turbine 100m+ as close to my house as some of these people will have to suffer (in some cases less than 500 metres) without any consultation. What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT? and simply being lugged on people in the regions?
Canberran”s turning up to a pro wind rally really means nothing as we don’t have to suffer from any of the implications of their placement and have no plans of placing them within our own boarders. A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by? To what extent are they reliant on tax payer subsidies? (a false economy) and why were 90% of the wind farms around Canberra approved in the last 6 days of the former NSW Gov?

I see plainly that thee and Alan Jones are bereft of even the small degree of insight that allows the rest of us to understand why there are no wind farms in Canberra’s suburbs, Macquarie Street and other areas of the continent, populated and unpopulated. It’s called topography, and to some extent it can also be called geography and economics. Wind farms have to be sited in areas of maximum average smooth-air wind, as close as possible to the end users of the power produced, and in economically attractive areas where the land rental is within certain limits. Put all those requirements together and guess what? The ideal locations quickly become crystal clear. Surprisingly, these locations are where the wind farms are situated.

SpaceCat 8:37 pm 18 Jun 13

jethro20 said :

I don’t think I would fancy a turbine 100m+ as close to my house as some of these people will have to suffer (in some cases less than 500 metres)

A 500m set back is very, very rare in the industry in Australia. 1km is far more common.

jethro20 said :

without any consultation.

I call shenanigans. No wind farm in this country, ever, has been built without community consultation. If it’s your property, no one can force you to host a turbine. If it’s not your property, but your neighbours, you still have rights and the general response is increased set backs.

jethro20 said :

What I struggle to understand is, that if wind power is so good why are turbines not being placed within the ACT?

You can’t just stick a wind farm anywhere. A lot of the ACT is urbanised, which is not good for wind farming for a lot of reasons. Outside urban Canberra, the ACT’s wind resource is pretty poor. Many of the good spots for wind farms are either forested (no good, creates turbulence and reduces wind speed) or nature park, or don’t have access to the electricity grid. There was a proposal a few years ago to built one out on the Barton Hwy near the border towards Murrambateman. I don’t know what happened to it though…

jethro20 said :

and simply being lugged on people in the regions?

Shenanigans! Shenanigans! The people in the regions are being lugged with anything. If you speak to a lot of farmers, they _want_ wind farms as a drought proof way of earning extra income for their farms. Once again, you can’t put wind farms in urbanised areas…

jethro20 said :

Canberran”s turning up to a pro wind rally really means nothing as we don’t have to suffer from any of the implications of their placement and have no plans of placing them within our own boarders.

More shenanigans. I need to get my broom. If you actually bothered to read up on the rally, many of the participants and 3 of the 6 speakers were farmers from outside Canberra. One speaker was a farmer from Waubra, another from Crookwell. Both spoke strongly in support of wind farms. It wasn’t just inner city hipsters.

jethro20 said :

A few points; how much would a wind turbine placed in your backyard reduce the price of your property by?

It’s a fair question. To date, there is no clear answer, but so far, “nothing” to “a little bit”: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/4/5/wind-power/wind-farms-and-property-values-let-market-decide

jethro20 said :

To what extent are they reliant on tax payer subsidies? (a false economy)

Wind farms, outside of some tax credits, receive no subsidies. What they receive are Renewable Energy Certificates (RECs). The renewable energy target means that people who wholesale electricity have to source some of it from renewable sources (the target is 20% by 2020). They do this by buying RECs from renewable energy generators like wind farms. This means wind farms can sell electricity for more money, the cost of which is ultimately borne by the consumer. Wind farms have raised the cost some places (like NSW) and actually lowered it other places (like South Australia)

http://theconversation.com/power-of-the-wind-how-renewables-are-lowering-sa-electricity-bills-9945

jethro20 said :

and why were 90% of the wind farms around Canberra approved in the last 6 days of the former NSW Gov?

Sigh… triple shenanigans. This isn’t true.

Good luck getting answers to your questions which are probably being peer reviewed as I write this.

I think it’s clear you don’t know what peer review means.

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