8 August 2012

Mass resignations from Kaleen Primary School due to ACT wide Dept Ed changes

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I cant take this any more, the stress Ive been put under is just too much.

To any interested heres some interesting news for you. Parents be very afraid for your kids schooling next year if they are in year two or below.

Theres a desision thats come from the ACT Education Dept admin and next year ALL early years learning staff will be moved. THIS IS SYSTEM WIDE!!!!

So far it looks like all the junior school teachers at Kaleen PS are moving- thats ALL staff teaching P-2. Thats just one school.

Im going back to Queensalnd. After 5 years Ive shed too many tears working for a government system that just doesnt give a crap about their staff. I wish I had not come and taught in this wretched system.

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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

oldchalky said :

LadyxBec said :

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

I challenge you to make no mistakes when put in a similar situation. Crying because of work related stress doesn’t help my thinking or typing.

Is the issue that I made errors in grammar and spelling, or is it that there is going to be a massive dissruption to all children attending P-2 in ACT Ed Dept schools next year?

Don’t feed the trolls. They come here and be jerks because of incredibly sad lives, small dongsrs or both

I do hope you’re not referring to me as a troll.
To oldchalky, actually yes, if I was going to post a rant about changes at my workplace on the internet, I would take the time to check for grammar and spelling errors. For one, it would make people take your concerns more seriously. Plus they might actually understand what it is you’re trying to say.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:09 am 11 Aug 12

Antagonist said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

Why would you do that for? My kids are in a Catholic school. None of us are baptised or christened. We simply pointed out that we prefer the quality and structure of education offered by the school. Too easy.

That’s fine if the school has available placements for that year, but Catholics get first place.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:08 am 11 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

pink little birdie said :

UC when I did my degree had approximately 40 students in PE degree first year by final year there was about 30 with about 20 going on to teaching (various reasons not too).

In my first year Educational theroy classes lectures have about 200 students of which approximately 80 are secondry school education teachers, and 120 are primary or early education students.
I believe the degrees have been changed to p-2, 3-8 and 9-12.

So I call shenagains on HenryBG’s “Statistics”

I think you have a poor grasp of statistics, but I’ve attempted to cut out the salient bits.

You have a whole bunch of Primary teachers. They’re just “Primary”, not specialised by subject and therefore we have no information as to how many of them are ball-chasing halfwits.

The secondary students, on the other hand, you say “Approximately 40” from “Approximately 80” of the secondary “teachers”, are PE-studying morons.

So by your admission, Canberra pseudo-Uni’s teacher training has “Approximately” 50% PE teachers.

Just think about that – 50% of the teachers currently being trained as “teachers” do not make a habit of opening up a book on even a weekly basis.

And as far as more precise numbers go – when my cousin studied teaching, she reported to me that about 70 of the 80 teachers in her year were PE teachers, so I assume your numbers are a bit conservative.

As for the illiterate OP of this story – clearly should not be a teacher in the first place.

Yes henrybg, your so called cousin is a reliable source.

It’s arguments like this that convince me I was right to leave teaching many years ago. Nothing has changed at all.

Erg0 said :

nyssa1976 said :

Autonomy means that schools will have fewer teachers who are experienced as they are more ‘expensive’. Whilst that cannot be said aloud, it does cause further disruption to your children. For example, Kingsford Smith had a teaching population of 50% who were new or in their first 1-3 years of teaching. I don’t believe I need to go on with that one given the amount of posts on KSS over the years.

You’re sure that’s not because the more experienced teachers were able to get jobs at “better” schools?

I am an experienced teacher and I work in a “better” school, having worked in some of the “worst” schools (note: what you would define as worst not me. I enjoyed my time there). I am in my mid 30s and sit at the top of the pay scale for my level. When I finally have to move on, I will be scrutinised not on my ability to do my job, but on whether or not my future school can fit me into their budget.

TheDancingDjinn10:50 am 10 Aug 12

qbngeek said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

Why would you fill out forms to get your children into a religious school, only to go in there and be as much of a bigot as you think they are being? If religion has no place for your children, which is fine if that’s your choice – then don’t enroll them in religious schools. You just made yourself look immature and foolish, and not at all intelligent.

Well for your information, it was only because we were trying to get schools outside our area for after school care reasons and were hedging our bets as there was only one public school in the area we wanted. As it turns out we went with the public school and my son has done better than the three other boys that go to the same carer that go to one of the catholic schools we applied to. I also performed better after being moved from catholic education to public and was never keen on sending him to a religious school in the first place, public was my first choice.

Oh, and before telling me how foolish and unintelligent I am answer the question and tell me why religion has anything to do with education. Anyone who believes there is any real relation would in my eyes be the foolish and unintelligent one.

There probably isn’t a reason for religion to be part of education – but in a religious school your putting your kid into religion. If you don’t like religion – which is ok – then don’t bother with filling out their forms, and going into their school, and bothering them with your rudeness. Religion has a place in religious schools, don’t like it, don’t go.
(I am of no religion – im just not a rude person)

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

Why would you do that for? My kids are in a Catholic school. None of us are baptised or christened. We simply pointed out that we prefer the quality and structure of education offered by the school. Too easy.

pink little birdie said :

UC when I did my degree had approximately 40 students in PE degree first year by final year there was about 30 with about 20 going on to teaching (various reasons not too).

In my first year Educational theroy classes lectures have about 200 students of which approximately 80 are secondry school education teachers, and 120 are primary or early education students.
I believe the degrees have been changed to p-2, 3-8 and 9-12.

So I call shenagains on HenryBG’s “Statistics”

I think you have a poor grasp of statistics, but I’ve attempted to cut out the salient bits.

You have a whole bunch of Primary teachers. They’re just “Primary”, not specialised by subject and therefore we have no information as to how many of them are ball-chasing halfwits.

The secondary students, on the other hand, you say “Approximately 40” from “Approximately 80” of the secondary “teachers”, are PE-studying morons.

So by your admission, Canberra pseudo-Uni’s teacher training has “Approximately” 50% PE teachers.

Just think about that – 50% of the teachers currently being trained as “teachers” do not make a habit of opening up a book on even a weekly basis.

And as far as more precise numbers go – when my cousin studied teaching, she reported to me that about 70 of the 80 teachers in her year were PE teachers, so I assume your numbers are a bit conservative.

As for the illiterate OP of this story – clearly should not be a teacher in the first place.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back4:46 pm 09 Aug 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

FFS no, im Christian Orthodox, i know my f**ken religion.

Jesus Christ.

Catholics are christians, anglicans are christians, methodists are christians.

Why does it take an agnostic to point this out?????

Yep, they come in many different varieties!

colourful sydney racing identity4:37 pm 09 Aug 12

If you follow the purported teachings of jesus, you are a christian. It doesn’t matter which sect you are part of.

You may well know your branch of your ‘f**ken religion’ but you clearly don’t know much about any others.

colourful sydney racing identity4:30 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

FFS no, im Christian Orthodox, i know my f**ken religion.

Jesus Christ.

Catholics are christians, anglicans are christians, methodists are christians.

Why does it take an agnostic to point this out?????

Kerryhemsley4:30 pm 09 Aug 12

Anyone else thinking it might be a good thing that Old Chalky is transitioning to retirement on the Gold Coast?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

They dont, ive advised a couple of school of my christian origin, and they dont agree its the same. When i say not the same, we believe in the same god, but because of the way worship is conducted, differences in baptism beliefs etc, its not considered the same.

FFS. I suspect that you mean you are anglican?

FFS no, im Christian Orthodox, i know my f**ken religion.

colourful sydney racing identity3:50 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

They dont, ive advised a couple of school of my christian origin, and they dont agree its the same. When i say not the same, we believe in the same god, but because of the way worship is conducted, differences in baptism beliefs etc, its not considered the same.

FFS. I suspect that you mean you are anglican?

poetix said :

Don’t forget that there are a few Anglican schools as well. No certificate required.

They are generally much more expensive than the Catholic schools.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

They dont, ive advised a couple of school of my christian origin, and they dont agree its the same. When i say not the same, we believe in the same god, but because of the way worship is conducted, differences in baptism beliefs etc, its not considered the same.

QbnGeek,

” Oh, and before telling me how foolish and unintelligent I am answer the question and tell me why religion has anything to do with education. Anyone who believes there is any real relation would in my eyes be the foolish and unintelligent one. “

Regardless of whether you are religious of not surely you can see that religion may have a role in teaching history (ie. as a basis for wars) and “civics” in terms of the extent to which our laws are somewhat rooted in early religious doctrines.

Don’t forget that there are a few Anglican schools as well. No certificate required.

TheDancingDjinn said :

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

Why would you fill out forms to get your children into a religious school, only to go in there and be as much of a bigot as you think they are being? If religion has no place for your children, which is fine if that’s your choice – then don’t enroll them in religious schools. You just made yourself look immature and foolish, and not at all intelligent.

Well for your information, it was only because we were trying to get schools outside our area for after school care reasons and were hedging our bets as there was only one public school in the area we wanted. As it turns out we went with the public school and my son has done better than the three other boys that go to the same carer that go to one of the catholic schools we applied to. I also performed better after being moved from catholic education to public and was never keen on sending him to a religious school in the first place, public was my first choice.

Oh, and before telling me how foolish and unintelligent I am answer the question and tell me why religion has anything to do with education. Anyone who believes there is any real relation would in my eyes be the foolish and unintelligent one.

colourful sydney racing identity1:54 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

I suspect that Catholics may also consider themselves to be christians…

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

I believe (could be wrong) they ask for a baptism certificate… Im Christian, so its practically the same sh*t, but preference is given to those of Catholic beliefs.

Pitchka said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Why not just lie about it? How do they know kids are baptised or not, is there some sort of register?

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

You’re such a badass.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

My kids are baptised, im not catholic.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:39 pm 09 Aug 12

Burden of proof always comes down to the one making outlandish claims, I.E: henrybg.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:36 pm 09 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Easy fix, just get your kids baptised. onlyb reason i did it was so they could enter the catholic school system.

pink little birdie12:30 pm 09 Aug 12

“Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.”

“PE teacher.”

“90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.”

“absolute bunkum.”

So – how many trainee Maths teachers does UC have in its current year’s intake, and how many PE teachers?

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I can’t quote page 2 responses
UC when I did my degree had approximately 40 students in PE degree first year by final year there was about 30 with about 20 going on to teaching (various reasons not too).
As secondary education degrees UC offers Physical Education and Technology with minors in other subjects approx 6 PE students did maths as thier minor (qualified to teach it)
English Science and Maths and History teachers do a bachelors degree in English science and Maths (3 years) followed by a dipolmia of education (1 year).
In my first year Educational theroy classes lectures have about 200 students of which approximately 80 are secondry school education teachers, and 120 are primary or early education students.
I believe the degrees have been changed to p-2, 3-8 and 9-12.

So I call shenagains on HenryBG’s “Statistics”

colourful sydney racing identity11:50 am 09 Aug 12

Eppo said :

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

absolute bunkum.

So – how many trainee Maths teachers does UC have in its current year’s intake, and how many PE teachers?

You’re telling the story, mate. Someone calling you out on, what appears to be, stats pulled out of no where does not shift the burden of proof onto them. Back your statements up with fact. It’d be a nice change!

‘I can turn invisible at will’
‘No, you can’t’
‘Prove it’

TheDancingDjinn11:49 am 09 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

absolute bunkum.

So – how many trainee Maths teachers does UC have in its current year’s intake, and how many PE teachers?

I don’t know about the right numbers for this but I would like to ad that in the 90s at Wanniassa High school, our maths teachers were our PE teachers, and they were PE teachers first then made to teach maths, and English, and media studies. We had art teachers teach English, and English teachers teaching Japanese, The school was very understaffed for the amount of kids that went there and a lot of us suffered educationally because of it. – I don’t know how high schools run now, my own son is a kindy kid, and his school is also losing over 10 teachers this year and next – but that is just because they all got pregnant.

TheDancingDjinn11:42 am 09 Aug 12

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

Why would you fill out forms to get your children into a religious school, only to go in there and be as much of a bigot as you think they are being? If religion has no place for your children, which is fine if that’s your choice – then don’t enroll them in religious schools. You just made yourself look immature and foolish, and not at all intelligent.

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

absolute bunkum.

So – how many trainee Maths teachers does UC have in its current year’s intake, and how many PE teachers?

You’re telling the story, mate. Someone calling you out on, what appears to be, stats pulled out of no where does not shift the burden of proof onto them. Back your statements up with fact. It’d be a nice change!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

absolute bunkum.

So – how many trainee Maths teachers does UC have in its current year’s intake, and how many PE teachers?

VYBerlinaV8_is_back10:44 am 09 Aug 12

qbngeek said :

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

Funny, but possibly not the best way to get your kids into a desirable school.

Pitchka said :

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Heh heh, you should have seen the stir when I filled in the application forms for three schools and where they asked for my religion I wrote ‘None of your business as it should have no impact on his education’. We then had an interview at two of them where I advised them that I am a Satanist, my wife is an athiest and my children have no religion until they are older and I will teach them about all the worlds religions and they can choose one, or none, rather than forcing one down their throat as children and telling them a bunch of lies about a magical fairy who controls the world, but is unable to stop suffering (because he is a prick I assume).

I swear I heard the shredder start up as we left the office after each interview. I am still not sure why religious beliefs have anything to do with education.

nyssa1976 said :

Autonomy means that schools will have fewer teachers who are experienced as they are more ‘expensive’. Whilst that cannot be said aloud, it does cause further disruption to your children. For example, Kingsford Smith had a teaching population of 50% who were new or in their first 1-3 years of teaching. I don’t believe I need to go on with that one given the amount of posts on KSS over the years.

You’re sure that’s not because the more experienced teachers were able to get jobs at “better” schools?

Regarding the OP (and the previous story on the same subject), you do yourself no favours with the “SYSTEM WIDE!!!!” hyperbole. Stick to the facts or you’re unlikely to get much sympathy on here (of course, the facts are no guarantee of sympathy either).

Gira2617 said :

and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

Brilliant, if your catholic…. Catholic schools close to our home only take in the minimum requirements of non catholic children.

Yet another reason to move to the private system, the towards 2020 stuff up turned me off public education 6 years ago, and these sort of decisions only supports moving my kids to the local catholic school – which is brilliant.

staminaman6210:45 pm 08 Aug 12

oldchalky said :

LadyxBec said :

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

Is the issue that I made errors in grammar and spelling, or is it that there is going to be a massive dissruption to all children attending P-2 in ACT Ed Dept schools next year?

The issue is that you made errors in grammar and spelling. As a teacher there is no excuse for that.

qbngeek said :

In schools the teachers are moved for child protection reasons (ie. so they don’t become overly familiar with the children). They normally need to have good reason to stay anywhere for a really long time. It also happens in NSW, not sure about other states.When you think about it, it is actually a good policy.

“child protection reasons”? Mobility (at 4, 6 or 8 years) is simply about shuffling the deck chairs… making sure no teacher gets too staid…

Is this happening in every school? It sounds like a stupid idea to me – noone will even have a clue where anything is, let alone the school values etc etc.

I thought teachers had to change jobs every 5 years to stop people sitting in the cushy jobs forever. But teaching under 8s doesn’t strike me as super cushy.

I am struggling to see what the issue is. You are apparently trained to teach early childhood and will continue to do so, just somewhere else. Where’s the problem? How are you being ‘abused’ by the department?

‘Mobility’ has been a policy for years now and affects most teachers. Being moved around between schools doesn’t have to be a bad thing; it ensures that people don’t become complacent in their lesson planning and delivery and brings fresh ideas to schools.

QLD is no different. I know plenty of QLD teachers and all have to deal with being shifted around every 5 years or so. Working in QLD usually also necessitates a fairly long stint in a rural or remote location. Don’t excpect to just walk into a job in suburban Brisbane without putting in a few years in the middle of no-where.

From what I have heard QLD’s Dept. of Ed. is also putting a lot more pressure bureaucratic pressure on its teachers than what ACT’s teachers have to put up with.

To me it seems that you are just unhappy that you are being transferred and that this is going to require you to write new work programmes and lesson plans. High school teachers have to deal with that on a yearly basis, as they cannot expect to teach the exact same grades and subjects year in year out.

If this shakeup forces some of the dead weight out of the system, I count that as a good thing.

oldchalky said :

Is the issue that I made errors in grammar and spelling, or is it that there is going to be a massive dissruption to all children attending P-2 in ACT Ed Dept schools next year?

Dissruption: verb. To show a lack of respect for somebody, especially by saying insulting things to them in a sudden and violent manner.

grunge_hippy6:58 pm 08 Aug 12

I call bullshit.

I work in the system, I teach year 2. Not heard a damn thing about this. None. at. all. No one else I work with has either.

Get your facts straight before you pack your bags for QLD.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:41 pm 08 Aug 12

oldchalky said :

LadyxBec said :

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

I challenge you to make no mistakes when put in a similar situation. Crying because of work related stress doesn’t help my thinking or typing.

Is the issue that I made errors in grammar and spelling, or is it that there is going to be a massive dissruption to all children attending P-2 in ACT Ed Dept schools next year?

Don’t feed the trolls. They come here and be jerks because of incredibly sad lives, small dongsrs or both

LadyxBec said :

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

I challenge you to make no mistakes when put in a similar situation. Crying because of work related stress doesn’t help my thinking or typing.

Is the issue that I made errors in grammar and spelling, or is it that there is going to be a massive dissruption to all children attending P-2 in ACT Ed Dept schools next year?

What concerns me is the joking about a matter which could possibly be real based on the ridiculous ‘idea’ for autonomy in schools.

It is most likely that all staff at that school have the same end date and are required to transfer because of it. However, it is also an example of poor planning to have so many teachers ending at the same time. It could also be because the end dates of teachers have also changed to suit this new ‘policy’. I say ‘policy’ as it was never in the EBA nor was it voted on by ACT teachers. Please note, I am not a member of the AEU.

Autonomy means that schools will have fewer teachers who are experienced as they are more ‘expensive’. Whilst that cannot be said aloud, it does cause further disruption to your children. For example, Kingsford Smith had a teaching population of 50% who were new or in their first 1-3 years of teaching. I don’t believe I need to go on with that one given the amount of posts on KSS over the years.

Autonomy will cause problems for teachers who are at the top of the pay scale BUT not in their 40s or 50s as they will be defined by the pay scale, not by the amount of time they still wish to teach. I love being in the classroom and enjoy teaching but I cannot do this, when my time comes to transfer, if a principal wants to hire 2 younger teachers just to save a few dollars.

qbngeek said :

futto said :

I’m not a teacher nor a public servant. I find it so strange that the Department gets to move staff around like they do.

In my field, i apply for a job vacancy and i do it. When i want to change, I leave.

If you want to work somewhere, you should apply and if you get it, you work there as long as you want.

It’s not the Army and i don’t want my kids going somewhere where staff are treated like that. Is this a problem only at public schools?

In schools the teachers are moved for child protection reasons (ie. so they don’t become overly familiar with the children). They normally need to have good reason to stay anywhere for a really long time. It also happens in NSW, not sure about other states.When you think about it, it is actually a good policy.

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Rubbish. In the ACT teachers are moved in order to keep them from becoming stale and to keep learning and change happening. Nothing to do with child protection. The policies on moving are becoming more flexible (in the ACT) and these days teachers can often stay for longer than 5 years in one place if both teacher and Principal want it.

I work for the system, and my school has many P-2 teachers. Staffing planning for next year is underway. Nothing like this is happening at my school; it’s business as usual.

No idea what’s really going on at Kaleen, but I suspect the OP has the wrong end of the stick.

colourful sydney racing identity3:49 pm 08 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

absolute bunkum.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:49 pm 08 Aug 12

It’s teh interwebs you half wits, grammar and spelling means nothing.

As I understand, kaleen pmy is a nice little school. Why ruin parts of it by doing this?
More reasons to use the catholic system.

Henrybg, stop pulling numbers out your ring hole, post factual stats or nothing at all.

Assume the OP is the wife of the author of This post on the same issue?

LadyxBec said :

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

heh, if I could rec this, I would..

devils_advocate2:52 pm 08 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

90 per cent? This seems high. Could you please share with us the source data?

pink little birdie2:45 pm 08 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

Except they are talking about early childhood teaching not high school teaching…
UC has groups of teaching degrees Early childhood (p-2) primary (k-6) and high school (7-12)

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

PE teacher.

90% of the “graduates” from Canberra Uni’s “teaching” course are PE Teachers, who are then co-opted into teaching English, Maths, Science and so on due to the shortage of real teachers available to teach those subjects.

If all staff are being moved, wouldn’t that result in the same number of positions? Just like shuffling then redistributing a deck of cards?

Impoverished_Student2:25 pm 08 Aug 12

I sympathise, but I hope you don’t teach spelling or grammar.

colourful sydney racing identity2:20 pm 08 Aug 12

Pitchka said :

patrick_keogh
I noticed your username fails to utilise capital letters where appropriate… :oP

To the best of my knowledge, he is not a teacher.

patrick_keogh
I noticed your username fails to utilise capital letters where appropriate… :oP

I sympathise. I see far too many parents, bureaucrats and others attacking school teachers, a job many of them could or would never do.

We are losing too many teachers who really care, and I wonder if the newer ones are doing it just as a job, or truly as a vocation.

patrick_keogh2:06 pm 08 Aug 12

The OP serves at least in part to explain the tragic collapse of literacy skills coming out of our primary schools. The lack of apostrophes I can put down to a faulty keyboard or something akin to the ideological stance that was embodied in SR1. The errors in spelling, grammar and inappropriate use of upper case are more problematic.

Perhaps the next set of teachers will have better language skills.

futto said :

I’m not a teacher nor a public servant. I find it so strange that the Department gets to move staff around like they do.

In my field, i apply for a job vacancy and i do it. When i want to change, I leave.

If you want to work somewhere, you should apply and if you get it, you work there as long as you want.

It’s not the Army and i don’t want my kids going somewhere where staff are treated like that. Is this a problem only at public schools?

In schools the teachers are moved for child protection reasons (ie. so they don’t become overly familiar with the children). They normally need to have good reason to stay anywhere for a really long time. It also happens in NSW, not sure about other states.When you think about it, it is actually a good policy.

I think the issue here is that ALL the teachers in the junior school are being moved at once. This is very rare and I have never heard of it being done in NSW. It leaves you with the issue that there is no local knowledge left and going into a new school, even as an experienced teacher, can be very intimidating.

With an utter lack of information about why this may be occurring from the OP, I’m also wondering whether this is part of a move away from a Pre-school to Year 6 model, towards separate Early Childhood Education (P – Y2)

With my 3yo moving towards school age, I’m not afraid at all – we’re planning to start him off at the Southern Cross early childhood school in Scullin, and we’re very happy that there’s an option like that in our area. If P-Y2 staff are being reallocated to start more of these schools, or expand existing ones, that’d be a win in my books.

pink little birdie1:54 pm 08 Aug 12

Isn’t rare for teachers to stay in the one school for more than 5 years anyway? And don’t all education departments move teachers after a few years?

That the way it was when I was at school here anyway.

colourful sydney racing identity1:47 pm 08 Aug 12

Also, for a teacher, you have very poor grammar.

colourful sydney racing identity1:44 pm 08 Aug 12

Kaleen primary is in desperate need of cultural change.

I’m no teacher either, but I do understand that teachers being moved does not equal mass resignations…

I for one am glad that you won’t be teaching ACT kids anymore. To be honest, you don’t seem to have a particularly good grasp on written communication.

I’m not a teacher nor a public servant. I find it so strange that the Department gets to move staff around like they do.

In my field, i apply for a job vacancy and i do it. When i want to change, I leave. If you want to work somewhere, you should apply and if you get it, you work there as long as you want.

It’s not the Army and i don’t want my kids going somewhere where staff are treated like that. Is this a problem only at public schools?

Dont think things in QLD under Premier Newman are that crash hot.

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