12 May 2012

Molonglo's heart mapped out

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Simon Corbell has announced his thoughts on where the big shops are going to be in the new Molonglo development (known to planning nerds as a “community focused group centre”).

He’d also like to get yours.

“The Molonglo Valley is an exciting new development for the ACT and it is imperative that we get the views of the community on what amenities should be included during development as well as the design of public places would be desirable,” Mr Corbell said.

“Molonglo Valley is the ACT?s next frontier of development, and it is the intention of the government to involve the community who will enjoy this area in coming years to be involved with it?s development throughout the whole process.”

The group centre will provide a mix of uses, including community, education and recreation facilities, commercial, retail and housing.

One of the design features, “fingers of green? is proposed to connect the new centre and residential areas to the Molonglo River corridor, responding to the unique landscape setting and natural attributes of the Molonglo Valley.

“We would like to hear how the community thinks the centre can reflect the Molonglo Valley identity, what the public places should look like and how we can make it an active and vibrant centre,” Mr Corbell said.

You can email MolongloValleyStage2@act.gov.au to share your thoughts.

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planeguy said :

Umm… maybe I am missing something, but a quick look at Wright and Coombs block prices that I have found shows Wright to be more expensive than Coombs, and yet only two blocks are North of $500k, and they are large.

The key difference is in the size of the blocks. On a dollars per square metre basis, land in Wright is more expensive than land in Turner or Griffith, and in excess of twice as much of land in existing suburbs a similar distance out.

You could quite literally fit an entire street of new sized blocks on a single block in some of Canberra’s older suburbs.

caf said :

gooterz said :

Why are they so show to release more land and what happens when the ACT runs out of it? Do we go broke?

We’ll start selling underground blocks for Coober Pedy style housing.

I opal that’s a lie.

I regret the lost bushland. We need more in-fill housing. If only that didn’t mean enormous blocks of flats, but more flexibility on dual occupancy and the like.

I wonder how many will realise that they are just forking out for land which will become the future fire break for Weston Woden etc.

The Molonglo Valley is an exciting new development for the ACT

I pictured Mr Corbell saying this with dollar signs in his eyes. *Cha ching! Cha ching!*

gooterz said :

Why are they so show to release more land and what happens when the ACT runs out of it? Do we go broke?

We’ll start selling underground blocks for Coober Pedy style housing.

gooterz said :

miz said :

It would be smart if they learned from the mistake of placing the major shopping and commercial precinct on the edge of the valley, per Tuggers – it is a pain in the ar$e for all, particularly when trying to arrange a public transport hub (hence having to retro fit one at Erindale). I suggest they locate it in the middle of Molonglo valley in the first instance.

The problem is that only half of tuggeranong was ever built. So much land over the river was planned but the powers that be said no. Tuggeranong needs to have appartments now to be sustainable.

Ive got a house in Belconnen but I live in Turner as I much prefer living in places I can just walk to instead of driving everywhere.

gooterz said :

For the 500-1000k block price you’d want to have direct public transport to civic/woden by a silver lined rail car.

Umm… maybe I am missing something, but a quick look at Wright and Coombs block prices that I have found shows Wright to be more expensive than Coombs, and yet only two blocks are North of $500k, and they are large.

Now, look at the price of an existing block a suburb or two away for a knock down rebuild, and it seems to be reasonable price.

That being said, some of the planning constraints seem to drive the design to McMansion-ville, and so expect housing to look much like the soulless Harrison/Dunlop etc look. Might be worth the extra 50-100k to buy in an existing suburb.

miz said :

It would be smart if they learned from the mistake of placing the major shopping and commercial precinct on the edge of the valley, per Tuggers – it is a pain in the ar$e for all, particularly when trying to arrange a public transport hub (hence having to retro fit one at Erindale). I suggest they locate it in the middle of Molonglo valley in the first instance.

The problem is that only half of tuggeranong was ever built. So much land over the river was planned but the powers that be said no. Tuggeranong needs to have appartments now to be sustainable.

thatsnotme said :

It seems incredible to me, that if I’m interested in someone’s application for duel occupancy.

“duel occupancy” – sounds like a good one to avoid living next to.

It would be smart if they learned from the mistake of placing the major shopping and commercial precinct on the edge of the valley, per Tuggers – it is a pain in the ar$e for all, particularly when trying to arrange a public transport hub (hence having to retro fit one at Erindale). I suggest they locate it in the middle of Molonglo valley in the first instance.

I’m really glad I’ll be out of Canberra by the time these suburbs are really up and running. It’s depressing enough watching the land be reduced to a giant dirt parking lot; watching the townhouses go up would be miserable.

Let us just reflect on previous concepts: http://gungahlinvillage.com/

If you want a laugh, go to http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/topics/significant_projects/planning_studies/molonglo_valley_stage_2_planning_project and click on the ‘Project Timeline’ button.

I still don’t get why if I were wanting to develop a piece of land as a private investor, I’d have to make available detailed plans dealing with every aspect of the project, whereas the Government gets to upload vague project outlines with links to empty pages.

It seems incredible to me, that if I’m interested in someone’s application for duel occupancy, I can find detailed plans of exactly what they’re going to do (including the hedge they’re going to plant), yet for major GovCo works – pretty much nothing.

I’m so glad that Katy has bought us all ‘Open Government’.

Sounds like the residents will be restricted to eating tofu and driving Toyota Prius.

Can I be the first person to buy land on Mt Bimberi preferably on the summit.

Alchemist322 said :

Well that depends Mr Corbell. Are you planning on ensuring Molonglo continues to have land valuations that clock in at half a million per block? Because if you are you can jam your Molonglo development, I for one will want nothing to do with it.

Quick, buy now for $500,000! Then wait until the perpetually cash-straped ACT Government hits you with land tax on owner-occupied housing.

Note to Corbell: who can afford to live in this city?

For the 500-1000k block price you’d want to have direct public transport to civic/woden by a silver lined rail car.
Why are they so show to release more land and what happens when the ACT runs out of it? Do we go broke?

Living in the UK and Ireland as I did it brought about a sense of community having things local where every one went instead of driving to a big centre.

Id like to see it more like local shops and pubs and cafes things spread around so its not just like a central area where you go for every thing. And a high speed link through stage 3.

Alchemist3221:57 pm 12 May 12

Well that depends Mr Corbell. Are you planning on ensuring Molonglo continues to have land valuations that clock in at half a million per block? Because if you are you can jam your Molonglo development, I for one will want nothing to do with it.

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