More buzzwords [boogs-words?] than police

johnboy 16 November 2006 109

Simon Corbell has put out a media release announcing a “Suburban Policing Strategy” whereby there’s a fighting chance that people might actually get to know the police in their neighbourhood.

Sadly the language of the media release does very little to inspire confidence.

An “important conduit” sounds a bit vague. That the “teams” will be “proactive” is highly suspect.

In fact there’s a whole paragraph which seems to be resting on thin air:

To have police teams proactive in patrolling specific, assigned suburbs and dealing with those crime issues which directly affect people within those areas can only build on the trust and cooperation between police and the community.

“Is intended to” perhaps? “It is hoped” maybe?

Finally we have the chilling news that this is part of “fresh and innovative strategies”, surely a kiss of death if ever there was one.

Monika Boogs is listed as the media contact on the release, which could explain everything.

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pi55ed pi55ed 7:00 pm 15 Nov 06

Johnboy, it’s the typical rhetoric from our glorified town council (GTC), aka the legislative assembly, and another stirling idea (not) from our CPO Ordinary Fagan.

Whats missing from all of this is the one simple fact, our Police are overworked and massively under resourced, not supported by the court system, and flogged by the media at every possible opportunity.

No one in the Government has the intestinal fortitude to admit the AFP, and the GTC, brokered a deal for our Policing numbers that was clearly flawed.

Being a recent victim of a property crime, I can well assure you (through no fault of their own) the Police response time was a little slow, yet fully understandable given their workload.

Ordinary and the GTC’s proposal might satisfy the pensioners who want to see Police in their suburbs, but it is not addressing the real problem of a massive shortage of Police.

Mike Welch? on 2CC the other week had an interview with John NoHope, our Chief Minister.

I nearly vomited listening to his blame apportioning and evasive comments he gave to the questions on Police numbers.

I for one would have loved to have had Police teams proactively patrolling my street when my house got cleaned out, sadly, it was not to be.

God help us if this is the best Corbell can come out with!

Sorry if I got a bit off track here, I feel much beeter now.


gurunik gurunik 8:01 pm 15 Nov 06

will we ever again see a time when cops can be cops? do cops still give a young’un a solid dressing down and kick in the arse for minor stuff, thereby instilling a respect for law etc? or are our coppers bound by ‘human rights’?
i’d like to know what its like at the coal-face, so to speak.
before i came here, this city was viewed as a bunch of softcocks. tell me it aint true….

terubo terubo 8:26 pm 15 Nov 06

“Monika Boogs is listed as the media contact on the release, which could explain everything”
-Perhaps, then, the headline should read “More Boogswords than Police”. Poor old Boogsy.

shauno shauno 8:32 pm 15 Nov 06

How many police does a city in Aussie with an average of 320,000 people require and whats the average? Does Canberra have less compared to the average?

Vic Bitterman Vic Bitterman 9:41 pm 15 Nov 06

Ah, spin-doctor corbell. Whenever I want to read something amusing, I always go straight one of his ‘press releases’. stanhopeless spins poorly compared to corbell.

wagga_wagga wagga_wagga 10:50 pm 15 Nov 06

I am not sure that ACT cops are under resourced. This seems a knee-jerk reaction. All public services can claim to be under resourced.

Charities also claim to be under resourced.

Sports groups claim to be underresourced.

Politicians claim to be under resourced.

I understand the cops are reasonably efficient but suffer from a severe case of lack of accountability.

Anyway, its a bit early to judge Corbell, as he has only recently taken over from his predecessor who was a total waste of oxygen.

The current police resourcing seems to be well balanced with the need to contain crime (not catch every offender) and with the need to fund other public needs.

Is there hard evidence of an escalating crime problem?

vg vg 11:25 pm 15 Nov 06

Internal professional standards investigations, Commonwealth Ombudsman oversight, direct scrutiny from the Court system both locally and nationally, direct political scrutiny from both sides of the fence

Tell me another government agency so accountable.

You patently have no idea of what Policing and scrutiny really is. When every personal financial transaction you make can be scrutinised by your job, when you can be drug tested at will, and when you can be compelled to supply information on things that affect your life and work please feel free to give me a tinkle.

In fact having a read of what you’ve written thus far it’s clear you’re either trolling to wind people up, or you genuinely have no idea of what you are talking about when it comes to law enforcement

shauno shauno 12:19 am 16 Nov 06

Yep to be honest I can’t work out why anybody would want to be a cop. What get paid bugger all, deal with peoples problems every day, and then get hounded by the press and have to work funny hours lol.

pi55ed pi55ed 6:46 am 16 Nov 06

w_w, VG is right. Go away and do your homework.

Clearly you have NFI about law enforcement, or for that matter anything else.

Special G Special G 6:54 am 16 Nov 06

Shauno, You are obviously fairly new here. National average for Police is about 290 per 100,000 people. ACT has about 250 per 100,000.

It was reported in the media that there were 5000 burglaries last year – thats 5 complete suburbs. My place was one of them. I see that as fairly hard evidence of a problem.

Chris S Chris S 8:09 am 16 Nov 06

This is just another spin job from Corbell, this time aided and abetted by the CPO. We have fewer cops than any other jurisdiction – one would hope that this was because we don’t have the same crime rates, but that ours would be lower.

Depending on whose figures you read (the Institute for Criminology is a good starting point), we have relatively high rates of property crimes in the ACT.

The real problem, however, is that our crime rates are increasing, but our Police numbers are not.

Another problem is that the more experineced AFP officers seem to be the ones chosen for various peace-keeping work such as in the Solomons and East Timor (and also Cyprus). That leaves us with relatively inexperienced cops who are not necessarily getting the training and mentoring that would be the norm.

Perhaps it’s time for the ACT to have its own Police force, rather than the AFP.

futto futto 8:46 am 16 Nov 06

Two facts that i love to bring to ACT policing debates (i’m pretty sure they are right, anyway).

1. ACT has the lowest police per captia of any captial city.

2. ACT also has the highest growth rate in crime since the mid-80’s of any captial city.

You can window dress as much as you want but the AFP -outsourced police system isn’t working.

ozmreeee ozmreeee 9:09 am 16 Nov 06

TAX vs SERVICES … the age old question.

The matter of resourcing gets down to the size of the GTC’s [I like that pi55ed – hope you don’t mind if I borrow it :)] coffers – and their policy agenda (leaving aside whether or not we agree with it).

So, are we prepared to contribute more to the GTC’s coffers to allow them to increase funding for police? And let’s make a huge assumption that the GTC would actually use this additional money to fund the police.

I for one would much rather see money going to fund the police than coming back to me in tax cuts – but unfortunately the tax cuts are federal monies and the funding of police is a GTC issue.

Special G talks about the national average for policing numbers … perhaps there is an argument for a truly National Police Force, federally funded and trained. Ahhh but then we would need the same laws, so we need to have centralised legislation … hmmm get rid of the state legislatures – now there’s an idea. But if we did that we wouldn’t get any of these wonderful manifestos from Corbell the Constructor.

So, I guess that means that we will have to put up with:-
1. An underfunded police force;
2. Innovative initiatives such as the “Suburban Policing Strategy”; and
3. Sand pit mentality in the playground of politics from out beloved GTC

Special G Special G 9:20 am 16 Nov 06

The ACT Police was amalgamated with a bunch of other agencies to form the AFP anyway. If you are asking for an ACT Police force it would be the same people with a different badge. IT would still be the same numbers funded by the ACT govt. That argument doesn’t fly.

smokey2 smokey2 9:23 am 16 Nov 06

The state boundaries probably are a big problems with the boguns from queanbehole coming across the border for to source stolen property.

Thieves are quick to exploit any weakness in the system.

Casing property on Wednesday and doing the deed on Thursday or Friday so it will not be reported until after work Friday and investigated until after the weekend.

vg vg 9:35 am 16 Nov 06

“The state boundaries probably are a big problems with the boguns from queanbehole coming across the border for to source stolen property.”

Rubbish. Canberra has enough of its own crooks

“Casing property on Wednesday and doing the deed on Thursday or Friday so it will not be reported until after work Friday and investigated until after the weekend.”

Rubbish again. They are investigated when they are reported, within response time guidelines and resource availability

ozmreeee ozmreeee 9:40 am 16 Nov 06

No, Special G – not an ACT funded police force … the exact opposite a single federally funded police force. But as I said it won’t fly because there are so may jurisdictions. I’m actually being a bit glib and suggesting get rid of the states.

smokey2 smokey2 9:58 am 16 Nov 06

“VG…They are investigated when they are reported, within response time guidelines and resource availability”

You mean if I report a property theft on Thurday or Friday arvo it will be investigated prior to Monday by the local D’s.

In Melbourne it would not be looked at by the D’s until Monday and the crime scene will have well and truely been compromised.
The crims in Melbourne are well aware of this.

smokey2 smokey2 10:10 am 16 Nov 06

In Melbourne I lived in an area on the border between 3 police areas and it was popular with thieves because 3 different stations that did not communicate very well were covering this area.

Thieves aim to exploit the system. That is why they do it. It is the challenge to beat the system otherwise they would get a job like the rest of us.

Multiple juristictions, keeping a theft under 10K to avoid investigation, timing the theft to minimise investigation are all tools the professional thieves soon learn and use to their advantage.

vg vg 10:28 am 16 Nov 06

Detectives don’t investigate property crime unless its of a larger scale, or linked to other larger ones.

Burglaries in Canberra are initially investigated by uniformed Police.

It may help to check how its done in Canberra first. Different to Melbourne. If you report a burglary on a Friday arvo it will be investigated by uniform Police within response guidelines and resource availability, and a long time before Monday

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