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Point to point cameras to hit Athllon Drive

By johnboy 9 May 2012 60

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Justice and Community Safety have announced Athllon Drive between Drakeford and Beasley Street will play host to the second tranche of point to point speed cameras and traffic surveillance.

Executive Director Transport Policy and Regulation, Karen Greenland said budget funding was provided for a second point to point camera site and tenders for the work will soon be called for.
 
“Point to point cameras installed on Hindmarsh Drive commenced operation in February and we expect cameras to be installed at the second site later this year,” Ms Greenland said.


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Pork Hunt 8:36 pm 30 Aug 13

magiccar9 said :

damien haas said :

Challenge accepted (insert barney photo)

Race ya’?

Canberra’s version of Cannonball Run.

magiccar9 7:23 pm 30 Aug 13

damien haas said :

Challenge accepted (insert barney photo)

Race ya’?

cranky 7:00 pm 30 Aug 13

montana said :

i did the maths, and if it’s correct, you would need to travel from one camera to the other camera in more than 2 mins, 51 seconds.

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Perhaps that should be LESS than 2 mins 51 seconds.

And I am sure there are other more dangerous ACT roads that should have received these cameras before this fairly benign bit of tarmac.

damien haas 4:45 pm 30 Aug 13

montana said :

bump.
the cameras are now in operation according to the CT
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/smile-and-slow-down-for-more-pointtopoint-cameras-20130830-2svk3.html

i did the maths, and if it’s correct, you would need to travel from one camera to the other camera in more than 2 mins, 51 seconds.

I doubt anyone will be booked unless going at insane speeds especially through the roundabouts.

Challenge accepted (insert barney photo)

montana 4:21 pm 30 Aug 13

bump.
the cameras are now in operation according to the CT
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/smile-and-slow-down-for-more-pointtopoint-cameras-20130830-2svk3.html

i did the maths, and if it’s correct, you would need to travel from one camera to the other camera in more than 2 mins, 51 seconds.

I doubt anyone will be booked unless going at insane speeds especially through the roundabouts.

OpenYourMind 3:52 pm 29 Jun 12

The other thing that gets missed in all these arguments is that it may well be that people do lots of other stupid stuff while driving such as texting, not indicating, following too closely and/or driving a crap car that can’t stop, handle etc. BUT, the difference is that if you knock people’s speed back to the speed limit or less, then the resultant impact will be a whole bunch less. Watch a few car crash test videos to get an idea of how little speed you need to cause an enormous impact.

And just because someone hasn’t died on that particular stretch doesn’t mean it’s not a black spot. If you think cameras are there for revenue raising, then obviously someone must have decided they are financially viable as lots of people speed, or alternatively if you think it’s completely about saving lives, one would hope/expect that sufficient studies have been done to justify that particular location.

johnboy 3:26 pm 29 Jun 12

c_c said :

Very Busy said :

I note Armco barriers have been installed on Athllon Dr near Beasley Street, presumably to protect the camera infrastructure from damage by stray vehicles. The way this has been done is incredibly dangerous and is yet another demonstration of Government incompetence.

Coe, Coe is that you? Even on the internet that annoying lisp and childish phrasing is apparent.

The decisions about roads are made by the public service. Labor or Liberal in power, it’s the same bureaucratic cog in the machine of limited ability who makes the decision.

A government can either disavow the failing of its bureaucracy and set a course of reform, or it can take ownership of it.

c_c 3:22 pm 29 Jun 12

Very Busy said :

I note Armco barriers have been installed on Athllon Dr near Beasley Street, presumably to protect the camera infrastructure from damage by stray vehicles. The way this has been done is incredibly dangerous and is yet another demonstration of Government incompetence.

Coe, Coe is that you? Even on the internet that annoying lisp and childish phrasing is apparent.

The decisions about roads are made by the public service. Labor or Liberal in power, it’s the same bureaucratic cog in the machine of limited ability who makes the decision.

Very Busy 2:13 pm 29 Jun 12

I note Armco barriers have been installed on Athllon Dr near Beasley Street, presumably to protect the camera infrastructure from damage by stray vehicles. The way this has been done is incredibly dangerous and is yet another demonstration of Government incompetence.

The barriers start right near the edge of the roadway. A vehicle hitting this railing head on at the 80kmh speed limit will almost certainly result in life changing injuries or death. These railings can split a car in half or be directed upwards through the windscreen of a car. An infinitely safer method of installation is to have the barrier start well in towards the centre of the median strip and then curve out around towards the edge of the roadway. In the event of a collision the impact will then be absorbed by the whole car and the momentum will deviate the vehicle along the barrier.

The likelihood of cars leaving the road at this point is increased by the fact that a camera is present. People do stupid things around these cameras. The fact that the barriers have been installed at all is an admission that vehicles may go off the road in that location.

This is just another example of pure incompetence by our Government and the lack of interest in genuine road safety. They continually demonstrate that they just don’t have a clue.

TP 3000 12:07 am 11 May 12

So does this mean, that Athllon Drive between Drakeford Drive & Sulwood Drive will be duplicated (finally)?

But on the topic of the speed cameras. Great more people will be crawling along at 70k/h in the right hand lane of Athllon Drive of an aftermpnoon. Only to go straight ahead at the Sulwood Drive roundabout. It is like, you either do the posted speed limit of 80k/h or you move into the left lane & let those who can read pass you.

OpenYourMind 10:58 pm 10 May 12

johnboy said :

Look in 10 years time these arguments will be moot because you’ll need a very special licence to be in personal control of a vehicle on the road. Nevada’s just licenced the first self driving cars and both car manufacturers and government will be all for getting the useless meatbags out from behind the wheel.

Totally agree with your comments JohnBoy, however even this optimist thinks 10 years is a bit short a timeframe. The move to completely autonomous cars is going to change so many aspects of our society that it’s hard to imagine. Concepts of traffic laws, road construction, car ownership etc. all may change. From the simplest things like whether car parks are required, transporting children and disabled through to new ways to deliver goods – send your car to get your six pack :-).

People don’t realise just how quickly the minor technologies are creeping in that will lead to the big shifts. Our cars already have control over our braking (stability control/abs, pre-emptive braking), our acceleration (drive by wire) and our steering (self parking, lane following cruise, traffic jam assist). Governments will be drawn to the promise of massively diminished road tolls, law enforcement and reduced infrastructure costs not to mention the big brother possibilities.

Watch a few videos on the Google car and you’ll get the picture.

Jono 9:58 pm 10 May 12

dvaey said :

Firstly, the average would only be 60km/hr if the 40km/hr parts were equal to the 80km/hr parts.

Mathematical fail. If you travel a distance at 80km/h and then an equal distance at 40km/h, your mean speed over the whole distance is a bit over 53 km/h – not 60km/h.

gooterz 6:44 pm 10 May 12

dvaey said :

gooterz said :

Instead of people actually watching the road they’ll be forever staring at their speedo’s. You will see those 270 accidents turn into 1000’s.

You can’t even easilly do the road at an average of 80km/h

Hang on, which is it? Is it difficult to average 80km/hr or is it so easy that drivers will have to be constantly checking their speedos?

gooterz said :

… so whats to bet the ACT revenue raising Labor will take that as not giving the road a total average of 80 and factor that some parts are done at 40km/h. Maving the total average like 60 or so. So a person who does do 80 late at night will get a fine just because they didnt slow down at the slow bits like Labor thought they would.

Firstly, the average would only be 60km/hr if the 40km/hr parts were equal to the 80km/hr parts. Also, the cameras arent there to catch the person who travels at 81km/hr, or even the person who accidently lets their car slip upto 90 on occasion.. the cameras are there to catch those drivers who travel the entire 5km distance (including negotiating the roundabouts) at excess speed. Im still confused though as you stated that its not easy to reach an average of 80km/hr, but keep coming up with excuses why someone might. Do you believe that the reason why its not possible to easily average 80km/hr is due to safety reasons? If so, where is the problem?

gooterz said :

How come the north side gets overpasses and south side gets speed camera’s.

OT, but maybe you havent noticed the bloomin great big overpass being build across Drakeford? We get overpasses in the South too, or is there some meaning of overpass that I dont understand? Your question was pretty vague in the first instance.

I guess you dont see those people that put on the brakes doing 80 in a 100 zone going past the fixed speed cameras!
Those same people will likely slow down when nearing the speed camera just incase. Not everyone will realise that roundabouts will lower their average speed, so as a result they will constantly be checking their speedo’s (even tho they would likely be nowhere near the limit).

For the last part of your post i dont think you get what i said:

Government installs millon dollar speed cameras! The only people they will catch are those that travel at well about the speed limit. So they say we didnt consider the roundabouts and make an assumption that people will spend x time at them and increase the cuttoff of time requred to get fined. The fine should reflect 80km/h for the whole distance, this wont make money and anything else wouldnt be fair. So all in all its a stupid idea.

As for overpasses i mean for roads.. so traffic doesnt queue at the intersection.

In the same motion the round about on yarra glen is useless and prone to accidents and should be replaced with a single bridge

p1 2:10 pm 10 May 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

You mean except installing red light cameras, pulling people over for driving while texting, rolling out RAPID (which sucks up unregistered scumbags like a vacuum cleaner) and RBTs?

That’s fine, but they have chosen to install P2P cameras instead of more redlight cameras, and I haven’t been RBTed in many a year. Although a couple of friends have been done for using their phones and I’ve seen cars-sans-plates on the side of the road as a result of RAPID, so I guess on average my very-small-sample-size survey of all traffic enforcement cancels itself out.

Very Busy 1:22 pm 10 May 12

So a couple of fatalities occur due to EXCESSIVE speeding and the ACT Government decide that the solution is to put up P2P cameras so that they can book drivers who go a little over the limit. This seems to be the case for both Hindmarsh Drive and now Athllon Drive.

The Irony is that these P2P cameras may miss the most dangerous part of Athllon Drive which is where it intersects with Mawson Drive. There are at least 4 schools on the western side of Athllon Drive in Torrens and Pearce. In peak periods this intersection is littered with schoolkids of all ages who cross Athllon Drive to get to the Mawson shops on the eastern side. Kids have been hit by cars at this intersection in the past and I believe it is only a matter of time before there is a fatality there. So the ACT Government, under the guise of “safety” install P2P cameras close by and a do sweet FA to address a genuine safety issue in the immediate vicinity.

Even if the Mawson Drive intersection is included in the section monitored by the P2P cameras, that creates more danger in itself. Forcing drivers’ attention to be diverted to their speedometers instead of their surroundings when crossing busy intersections is just plain idiotic.

Yes, use P2P cameras if you must, but FFS use just a little bit of common sense when deciding on their placement.

……and no, I’ve never been given an infringement for breaking the law while going through a camera of any kind.

dvaey 4:00 am 10 May 12

gooterz said :

Instead of people actually watching the road they’ll be forever staring at their speedo’s. You will see those 270 accidents turn into 1000’s.

You can’t even easilly do the road at an average of 80km/h

Hang on, which is it? Is it difficult to average 80km/hr or is it so easy that drivers will have to be constantly checking their speedos?

gooterz said :

… so whats to bet the ACT revenue raising Labor will take that as not giving the road a total average of 80 and factor that some parts are done at 40km/h. Maving the total average like 60 or so. So a person who does do 80 late at night will get a fine just because they didnt slow down at the slow bits like Labor thought they would.

Firstly, the average would only be 60km/hr if the 40km/hr parts were equal to the 80km/hr parts. Also, the cameras arent there to catch the person who travels at 81km/hr, or even the person who accidently lets their car slip upto 90 on occasion.. the cameras are there to catch those drivers who travel the entire 5km distance (including negotiating the roundabouts) at excess speed. Im still confused though as you stated that its not easy to reach an average of 80km/hr, but keep coming up with excuses why someone might. Do you believe that the reason why its not possible to easily average 80km/hr is due to safety reasons? If so, where is the problem?

gooterz said :

How come the north side gets overpasses and south side gets speed camera’s.

OT, but maybe you havent noticed the bloomin great big overpass being build across Drakeford? We get overpasses in the South too, or is there some meaning of overpass that I dont understand? Your question was pretty vague in the first instance.

JAGARA 12:25 am 10 May 12

I think point-to-point cameras are the least of our worries. In 10 yrs time there will be police/traffic drones flying overhead controlling the speed of cars, stopping the cars at red lights.

The rev heads better have their fun while they can.

gooterz 11:46 pm 09 May 12

poetix said :

And yet, if the car could be overridden (!), it might not be when there was a genuine safety issue. (I suppose there could be some kind of kill switch, that allowed you to drive a short distance only, if there was a fault detected by the driver.) No Big Brother worries, anyone?

http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-10863_7-10008913.html
These work pretty well suited for one purpose though

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