Point to point cameras to hit Athllon Drive

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Justice and Community Safety have announced Athllon Drive between Drakeford and Beasley Street will play host to the second tranche of point to point speed cameras and traffic surveillance.

Executive Director Transport Policy and Regulation, Karen Greenland said budget funding was provided for a second point to point camera site and tenders for the work will soon be called for.

“Point to point cameras installed on Hindmarsh Drive commenced operation in February and we expect cameras to be installed at the second site later this year,” Ms Greenland said.


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Reprobate Reprobate 3:41 pm 09 May 12

Hmmm. I had a look at this early article about the Hindmarsh Dr P2P cameras http://the-riotact.com/point-to-point-camera-legislation-introduced/49220 to try and clarify whether the actual location was pinpointed then (it wasn’t) and notice that Simon Cobell said that the GDE would be the next site. Today’s CT article suggested that Parkes Way was going to be next but roadworks had put that on hold. I wonder if political considerations about yet another unpopular GDE-related issue were a factor in deciding to go with Athllon Drive instead…

switch switch 3:14 pm 09 May 12

Agreed. I was overtaken going east on the Hindmarsh section the other day by a couple of cars doing well over 80. “Fools” I thought, “don’t they know?” Well, the knew well enough, since they turned left down Tamar St before the other cameras would see them.

SigmaOctantis SigmaOctantis 3:12 pm 09 May 12

This seems like a good thing, as having a white and blue rego plate seems to be a licence to speed, tailgate and drive like a total w*nker these days. If there’s one thing Canberra drivers need to do its slow down.

montana montana 2:42 pm 09 May 12

Another problem with having P2P cameras on this stretch of road is that there are 3 exit roads that people can exit out of and not ever have their speed measured. So really this will only ever catch those people who travel all the way from beasley to drakeford.

P2P only works well on roads whre you there is no reason to stop, slow down or turn off an exit.

whole plan is pretty silly actually.

shirty_bear shirty_bear 2:27 pm 09 May 12

djk said :

As menitoned above, if the area being monitored is from Drakeford to Beasley, how the hell will they ever catch anyone doing an average speed over 80 when there are 2 roundabouts over that stretch?

No numbers/maths to back it up, but I would think that even in the middle of the night with no traffic, you could just about go as fast as you like along the straight bits because having to slow to say 40 and go through the roundabout will bring your average speed down by enough not to worry.

And if it was peak hour, well you may as well go 150 on the straight bits because the backed up traffic at the roundabouts will easily get the average below 80.

ACTGovCo will be relying on people not actually doing the maths; the vast majority will simply treat it as a hard 80kmh limit, and not exceed 80kmh under any circumstances along the entire stretch. Mission accomplished. Trouble is, it’s a fcking dopey mission.

dph dph 1:36 pm 09 May 12

Oh no, now people won’t be able to speed along Athllon Drive anymore. I’m not sure how I’ll sleep at night.

trevar trevar 1:35 pm 09 May 12

There’s a lot of angst about these things; Zed’s obviously making the right call with his election campaign, as JB said yesterday!

These things aren’t that big a deal. “Safety Cameras” is obviously a stupid name for them, and although they shouldn’t have much of an impact, they effectively reduce your travelling speed by 10km/h if there’s any traffic around (as is the experience with speed cameras on the Tuggeranong Parkway, and the other set of point to point cameras on Hindmarsh). But really, this is just a way of having an automated patrol. Cheaper than a real cop, and probably more effective, given my experience this morning.

djk djk 1:13 pm 09 May 12

As menitoned above, if the area being monitored is from Drakeford to Beasley, how the hell will they ever catch anyone doing an average speed over 80 when there are 2 roundabouts over that stretch?

No numbers/maths to back it up, but I would think that even in the middle of the night with no traffic, you could just about go as fast as you like along the straight bits because having to slow to say 40 and go through the roundabout will bring your average speed down by enough not to worry.

And if it was peak hour, well you may as well go 150 on the straight bits because the backed up traffic at the roundabouts will easily get the average below 80.

RaTTyRaTT RaTTyRaTT 1:09 pm 09 May 12

I love the irony of watching people chug up the hill at Hindmarsh (either way) then ZOOOOM down the other end… nothing like using the law of averages to help you speed… 🙂 Ahh dumbarses… (ACTGOV that is…)

Even the Cops are doing it actually… (also saw them speeding along Adelaide Ave, they weren’t in a hurry, just speeding… must have been donut time at Civic watch house.)

c_c c_c 12:51 pm 09 May 12

This is so stupid. The only people who cause a hazard along there are the idiots who do 60 in the 80 zone, banking up traffic on a road way that really should be (and is built to become) dual carriage way.

The only accidents I’ve seen in those parts are from people being tail ended or broad sided, on a roundabout or at an intersection.

But no, this government needs to make up for a budget shortfall so let’s tax the straight stretch.

If the government were serious about road safety, they’d have more police out doing something about dangerous drivers. Not the guy doing 90 in an 80 zone in a straight line, but the imbecile doing 70 in an 80 zone swerving in and out of traffic while on a phone.

Reprobate Reprobate 12:30 pm 09 May 12

The section covered would logically (big assumption with ACT Govo, I know) only be between Beazley St traffic lights and Sulwood Drive roundabout, that’s the area where the cam vans set up at the moment – mostly Woden bound. Interesting that, like Hindmarsh, the stretch will be an 80km/h zone subject to a rise and fall in both directions.

I’d also lay money that most of the 246 crashes over 4 years would have occured at lower speeds at the intersections or numptys slamming on their brakes for buses pulling out from one of the 2 uphill bus stops into 80km/h traffic. And P2P speed cameras would only have provided one last snapshot of the hoons involved in the fatal rather than preventing that kind of crash.

RAGD RAGD 12:09 pm 09 May 12

That is interesting, about the two roundabouts. How will they determine the average speed? Will they take into account the time for stopping at each roundabout? What if someone is driving at 2am in the morning with no other traffic around, doesn’t need to come to a complete stop at each roundabout. Will they get pinged for going over as an average even though they did not go over the posted limit?

goggles13 goggles13 11:54 am 09 May 12

buzz819 said :

Are they going all the way from Drakeford up to Beasley? That’s going around like 3 or 4 roundabouts and I can’t remember a fatal crash occurring along that stretch of road in recent history?

it has two roundabouts, and therefore it makes no sense to me to put a P2P camera on that stretch of road. don’t know about anyone else, but I often have to stop at one or both roundabouts during any time of the day or night. so unless I am doing a ridiculous speed between the roundabouts, I can’t see how I would ever be booked.

watto23 watto23 11:23 am 09 May 12

Yeah this idea that speeding causes all accidents and deaths really gets to me. Most of the time, when I see someone driving badly, they are either, on the phone, elderly, distracted by other people in the car or playing with their GPS.

I do see a lot of people speed past also, however if say something crossed in front of both a speeding vehicle or distracted/bad driver I dare say the results would be the same.

A greater police presence is really whats needed, and from what I’ve been told get more vehicle inspectors out there, so the police can police proper crimes and traffic offences. It would also help if the paperwork wasn’t so onorous for the police. No I’m not a cop, but I know plenty.

carnardly carnardly 11:15 am 09 May 12

The fatality was 2 young lads that were going very fast with a driver who had too much alcohol in his system who overcooked the roundabout at Athllon and Sulwood Drive one night in the wee small hours. They went airborne and landed in the storm water drain but weren’t noticed for a while.

Not sure a speed camera would’ve resulted in a different outcome.

shirty_bear shirty_bear 11:06 am 09 May 12

Holden Caulfield said :

Well they’ve certainly had an effect on Hindmarsh. It’s such a pain in the arse to drive that road now. I don’t have a huge problem with the general concept, but it’s the downhill run that sucks, especially if you’re behind someone who is on and off the brakes every few seconds.

Car goes down a cog or two, brain goes into neutral … it’s the only way to retain sanity.

The “Safety Camera” euphemism is wearing VERY thin, though …

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 10:39 am 09 May 12

Well they’ve certainly had an effect on Hindmarsh. It’s such a pain in the arse to drive that road now. I don’t have a huge problem with the general concept, but it’s the downhill run that sucks, especially if you’re behind someone who is on and off the brakes every few seconds.

Tool Tool 10:01 am 09 May 12

buzz819 said :

Are they going all the way from Drakeford up to Beasley? That’s going around like 3 or 4 roundabouts and I can’t remember a fatal crash occurring along that stretch of road in recent history?

There was a fatality at Athllon and Sulwood just a few years ago.

If they really want to change driver behaviour put cameras everywhere, that will ensure Joe average gets shafted and those like Justin Monfries will continue with absolutely no regard for anyone. These cameras are no replacement for Police.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 9:55 am 09 May 12

”I’ve checked with the camera office and they have told me that since the site commenced operation [on February 27] up until May 4, they’d issued just over 1000, so that’s really averaging about 100 a week. From a road-safety perspective, that’s got to be a success, getting that number of people to slow down and anecdotally, people who use that road on a regular basis report that it’s a very different experience using it now than prior to the cameras’ operation. I think there would be a lot of people who are grateful that they don’t feel the pressure of the constant speed of vehicles on that road.”

And this in spite of a 12 month period without fatalities on our roads. Two fatalies since – one purely an accident, and the other the result of a criminal in a stolen vehicle. But apparently speeding is still the biggest bogeyman, causing all sorts of carnage and mayhem on our roads. Let’s not do anything about the obscene number of people running red lights, driving while texting, driving unregistered or drink driving. Let’s just pretend we’re improving “road safety” and make cash instead.

Is it coincidence that the ACT government’s revenue from speed cameras for the year was down on its estimates, and now we’re getting more point to point cameras? I don’t think so. They haven’t even had enough time to properly evaluate the effectiveness of the first set of cameras.

buzz819 buzz819 9:43 am 09 May 12

Are they going all the way from Drakeford up to Beasley? That’s going around like 3 or 4 roundabouts and I can’t remember a fatal crash occurring along that stretch of road in recent history?

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