Point to point cameras to hit Athllon Drive

johnboy 9 May 2012 60
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Justice and Community Safety have announced Athllon Drive between Drakeford and Beasley Street will play host to the second tranche of point to point speed cameras and traffic surveillance.

Executive Director Transport Policy and Regulation, Karen Greenland said budget funding was provided for a second point to point camera site and tenders for the work will soon be called for.

“Point to point cameras installed on Hindmarsh Drive commenced operation in February and we expect cameras to be installed at the second site later this year,” Ms Greenland said.


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dungfungus dungfungus 3:54 pm 09 May 12

carnardly said :

The fatality was 2 young lads that were going very fast with a driver who had too much alcohol in his system who overcooked the roundabout at Athllon and Sulwood Drive one night in the wee small hours. They went airborne and landed in the storm water drain but weren’t noticed for a while.

Not sure a speed camera would’ve resulted in a different outcome.

Actually they didn’t make the roundabout with the car leaving the Athlon about 100 metres before it and the car ending up crushed against a bridge on Sulwood about 50 metres from the roundabout. It was very traumatic for the people who had to deal with it. If speed cameras were installed and the driver was aware of same maybe it would have been a different outcome; probably would have come to grief a bit further on.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 4:14 pm 09 May 12

So why can’t we have P2P cameras at places that would actually be useful? Like school zones, for example?

tactless tactless 4:29 pm 09 May 12

RaTTyRaTT said :

I love the irony of watching people chug up the hill at Hindmarsh (either way) then ZOOOOM down the other end… nothing like using the law of averages to help you speed… 🙂 Ahh dumbarses… (ACTGOV that is…)

no….the real irony is when those downhill speeders see the police set up for roadside speed detection.

p1 p1 4:40 pm 09 May 12

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

So why can’t we have P2P cameras at places that would actually be useful? Like school zones, for example?

Or a road like Majura.

HenryBG HenryBG 4:48 pm 09 May 12

carnardly said :

The fatality was 2 young lads that were going very fast with a driver who had too much alcohol in his system who overcooked the roundabout at Athllon and Sulwood Drive one night in the wee small hours. They went airborne and landed in the storm water drain but weren’t noticed for a while.

Not sure a speed camera would’ve resulted in a different outcome.

It wasn’t the roundabout that got them at all – it was the reverse-cambered right-hand kink just past a crest going into a roundabout that got them. There aren’t many worse-designed or more dangerous bits of road in Canberra.

You never know, the sight of a speed camera could have got through to him in his drunken state and madfe him twig he was going to quickly. I’m not a fan of speed cameras, but in the absence of actually fixing the poorly-designed bit of road, perhaps a camera could have saved those two guys’ lives?

dvaey dvaey 5:14 pm 09 May 12

Reprobate said :

Hmmm. I had a look at this early article about the Hindmarsh Dr P2P cameras http://the-riotact.com/point-to-point-camera-legislation-introduced/49220 to try and clarify whether the actual location was pinpointed then (it wasn’t) and notice that Simon Cobell said that the GDE would be the next site. Today’s CT article suggested that Parkes Way was going to be next but roadworks had put that on hold. I wonder if political considerations about yet another unpopular GDE-related issue were a factor in deciding to go with Athllon Drive instead…

Im wondering how much this decision has to do with the speed increase on GDE from 80 to 90. When the road was signposted at 80, it was an obvious choice for speed cameras. Now that the speed limit is more sensible, speed cameras would make substantially less revenue.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

So why can’t we have P2P cameras at places that would actually be useful? Like school zones, for example?

The theory is meant to be that speed cameras arent setup in school zones since those areas are high-risk enough to warrant enforcement by real police officers.

The fact that the last part of that theory is rarely implemented (except in view of the news cameras on back-to-school days), kinda lets the whole idea down though.

cranky cranky 5:57 pm 09 May 12

As has been pointed out, the one fatal accident the press release refers to involved considerable alcohol. In the same way, I believe the reference to the (one) fatality on Hindmarsh Drive did NOT occur in the section monitored by the cameras, but at the Mugga Lane intersection, involving a truck which somehow ‘lost’ its brakes, and collided with a motorist complying with a green light.

Facts are being distorted so that these cameras can be ‘justified’.

Interesting that 100% of these things are going in in South Canberra. Guess we’re speedier, richer, and too far away to drop wheelies outside our (mainly northside) political master’s residences.

Don’t remember the Labor Party campaigning to introduce these things in the last election. Along with their hatred of motorsport, maybe the Motorists/Canberra Alliance(?)/Liberals can campaign on reducing the imposts of the Speed Kills mentality of Govco, and perhaps use our finest AFP to start nabbing the red light runners, the mobile texters, the right lane slowpokes et al.

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 8:23 pm 09 May 12

Can anyone tell me if the cameras at each end are a stand alone speed camera as well?

ie. regardless of what speed you “average”, if you go past either one at higher than 80, can you get done?

I’m thinking not because they’d be set up to take the TIME at each end, not the SPEED. Am I correct?

helium helium 9:02 pm 09 May 12

Evil_Kitten said :

Can anyone tell me if the cameras at each end are a stand alone speed camera as well?

ie. regardless of what speed you “average”, if you go past either one at higher than 80, can you get done?

I’m thinking not because they’d be set up to take the TIME at each end, not the SPEED. Am I correct?

A. By the look of them, no not speed cameras, simply one camera per lane to register plates. That is consisten with the TAMS description as well. There is technology that can double as both (instant and average) but these do not look like those. eg. a combined (average/fixed) would be more useful on say on Gungahlin Drive (also planned for P2P) which has a number of on and off points.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 9:59 pm 09 May 12

Let’s not do anything about the obscene number of people running red lights, driving while texting, driving unregistered or drink driving.

You mean except installing red light cameras, pulling people over for driving while texting, rolling out RAPID (which sucks up unregistered scumbags like a vacuum cleaner) and RBTs? Yeah, nobody’s doing anything about that stuff. The government should do more! But only about other people – not me, because then it’d be a nanny state.

But keep sulking because you think The Man is only picking on the crimes you commit. One day your car won’t start if it’s not registered, won’t break the speed limit because it’ll be programmed not to, and pervasive surveillance will dob you in if you try to get around it. [nelson] Ha ha! [/nelson]

    johnboy johnboy 10:02 pm 09 May 12

    Look in 10 years time these arguments will be moot because you’ll need a very special licence to be in personal control of a vehicle on the road. Nevada’s just licenced the first self driving cars and both car manufacturers and government will be all for getting the useless meatbags out from behind the wheel.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 10:02 pm 09 May 12

(And gotta love typical Rioter speed camera logic: no point putting a camera there, because nobody speeds, and there are roundabouts, and it’s just revenue raising. Where does the revenue come from if nobody speeds, muppets?)

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 10:21 pm 09 May 12

I hope I’m dead and buried well before driving stops being fun.

johnboy johnboy 10:25 pm 09 May 12

Evil_Kitten said :

I hope I’m dead and buried well before driving stops being fun.

You can drive for fun at your private track day.

gazket gazket 10:26 pm 09 May 12

The A.C.T. government seem to be going against there own advice that the cameras should be placed on sections of road with out any turnoffs. Seems pointless and just revenue raising to set them up on a section of road with six turnoffs in between cameras.

More Labour Waste

DrKoresh DrKoresh 10:37 pm 09 May 12

johnboy said :

Look in 10 years time these arguments will be moot because you’ll need a very special licence to be in personal control of a vehicle on the road.

You say that like it’s a bad thing. The vast majority of people who die on the roads are killed as a result of incompetence/recklessness. If you can take human error of the equation with driver-less, automated cars then why not require people who wish to drive manually to prove themselves exceptionally qualified to do so? 😐 Please tell me, I’m not asking rhetorically.

    johnboy johnboy 10:47 pm 09 May 12

    It’ll be a sad day for many generations of drivers. But a better day for humanity in general.

    And no more DUI should open up some social possibilities.

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 10:38 pm 09 May 12

They’ll want to built a lot more tracks and facilities if it becomes the only way any of us get to actually drive a car anymore 🙁

DrKoresh DrKoresh 10:39 pm 09 May 12

Forgive me, that sentence is meant to read “…take human error OUT of the equation…”.

MWF MWF 10:50 pm 09 May 12

If these cameras make at least some self-absorbed wankers stop driving like they are on a racetrack, I’ll be happy.

I’m so sorry the speed limits piss so many of you off.

However, as long as you wankers continue to tailgate and demonstrate your impatience with speed limits and your apparent God given right to drive 100kph on 80kph roads, I will continue to allow you to tailgate me while I take my good sweet time to safely move into the left lane.

Cheers.

gooterz gooterz 11:09 pm 09 May 12

This is the worst idea ever! A new low for ACT Labor!
How soon can we get the liberals in!

Instead of people actually watching the road they’ll be forever staring at their speedo’s. You will see those 270 accidents turn into 1000’s.

You can’t even easilly do the road at an average of 80km/h, so whats to bet the ACT revenue raising Labor will take that as not giving the road a total average of 80 and factor that some parts are done at 40km/h. Maving the total average like 60 or so. So a person who does do 80 late at night will get a fine just because they didnt slow down at the slow bits like Labor thought they would.

They’d have to do this eventually because there is no way they could actually get someone breaking the limit otherwise and expose this shoddy revenue raiser for what it is!. So if anyone is fined by this its because labor have fudged the system (Much like their timesheets).

In the spirit of open government they should release minimum times needed to pass from point A to point B using minimum path too not the outer edge of the round about.

How come the north side gets overpasses and south side gets speed camera’s. Does ACT labor want to give up the south so easily! If the liberals said south side would get an overpass instead if they were elected they’d shoe in the election!

The other stupid thing with this which is a major problem and clearly not thought of is that wont people just take alternate routes? Why is Labor hellbent on screwing around with traffic flow. If you want to curb accidents build an overpass like is required that way you actually help canberrians by getting rid of one of canberra’s worst bottlenecks.

Plus you lose points for embargoing this until the morning after of budget day.

#WORSTPARTYEVER

poetix poetix 11:21 pm 09 May 12

When I hear about cars that drive themselves, I remember the GPS that told me to drive up a fire trail recently. Eventually it became clear that this was wrong and we turned around, but if the car’s systems couldn’t be overridden, this would be dangerous. I know all systems take time to improve, but aren’t there iproblems inherent in having locked in technology? And yet, if the car could be overridden (!), it might not be when there was a genuine safety issue. (I suppose there could be some kind of kill switch, that allowed you to drive a short distance only, if there was a fault detected by the driver.) No Big Brother worries, anyone?

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