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Mugged on College Street

By johnboy 28 April 2013 50

ACT Policing is seeking witnesses to an aggravated robbery that occurred in Belconnen yesterday (Saturday, 27 April).

At around 8.30pm a 24-year-old man and a 22-year-old woman were walking along College Street returning to their residence in Belconnen.

They were approached by three males, one of the males produced a knife and demanded the pair hand over their wallets and other items.

After they complied with his demands the men ran off in the direction of the Belconnen Mall.

The three males are described as African in appearance and over six feet tall. One male was described as wearing a white checkered shirt, dark tracksuit pants with a white stripe and white canvas shoes.

Police conducted a full search of the surrounding area but were unable to locate the offenders.

Police are urging anyone with information which can assist in identifying the men or may have witnessed the incident to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, or via the website act.crimestoppers.com.au.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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The Dark 8:39 pm 06 May 13

IrishPete said :

The Dark said :

Irishpete – I said specifically that if they were too traumatized to come here without inflicting violence on people, then they shouldn’t be here, nothing about your average damaged refugee, I have no problem with people seeking a better, safer life for themselves, but never at such an expense to there hosts.

You will become very rich and famous when you can work out how to predict who will be violent in the future out of a group of traumatised people. In the meantime, we will either have to shut the doors on all refugees or accept that some will turn out not be model citizens, just like many people born here.

“As for concentration camps, that phrase will forever be associated with Nazism and the Holocaust, no one hears that phrase and thinks, hmm, the British concentration camps during the Boer war, all they think is 6 million dead Jews, you’re using the phrase to equate Australian refugee processing centers to places like Auschwitz and Dachau.”

Indeed it will forever be associated with the Holocaust, but it is quite possible to remember more than one thing – people should remember that the term is broader, and it applies to Labor and Coalition policy on detaining asylum seekers while their claims are assessed.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it – I recently heard someone associated with a RSL say WW1 started in 1915. It is worrying when people are so misinformed of even Australia’s history.

IP

Not my problem to sort them out, just my problem to pay taxes to support them and potentially fall victim to them. How about instead of barring the doors to all or letting all in, how about closing the doors to countries that have a high offender rate amongst the refugees we get from them?

Yeah, people should, but they won’t.

About ignoring history… Good point, in these peoples history, many of them know nothing but violence and war, yet we bring them here, ignoring that and history repeats.

tbh, would much prefer Tamil Tigers in this country

IrishPete 7:42 am 06 May 13

Pork Hunt said :

I agree with your last para to a large extent. Your history is pretty good however, whatever you choose to call the camps in Australia, the difference is that 85-90% of boat arrivals get a happy ending. This perhaps was not the case with non-Australian camps throughout history.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-18/understanding-the-asylum-seeker-debate/2718820

I love Wikipedia, but sometimes I hate it. I was all set to say the British invented concentration camps, then I went and checked on Wikipedia and it says they had been used prior to the British in the Boer War, which is what I was referring to. I wasn’t meaning internment of foreign nationals during wartime, though I’m sure that is a pretty cruel think to do. In the Boer War, of course, the British interned women and children. We probably also did during WW1 and WW2, though I’m not sure.

I’ve now found a better reference on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment which gives a couple of definitions of concentration camps, which our detention centres fit pretty well.

For me the majority of happy endings just proves the detention was inappropriate. And what about indefinite detention of Tamils for secret reasons? I’ understand the Tamil Tigers were not even a prescribed terrorist organization in Australia, even if these detainees were associated with the TTs. The idea that they would pose a threat to Australia is laughable (but then ASIO seem to specialise in laughable these days, whether it be their HQ or their attempts to defend foreign spies from exposure).

IP

IrishPete 7:34 am 06 May 13

The Dark said :

Irishpete – I said specifically that if they were too traumatized to come here without inflicting violence on people, then they shouldn’t be here, nothing about your average damaged refugee, I have no problem with people seeking a better, safer life for themselves, but never at such an expense to there hosts.

You will become very rich and famous when you can work out how to predict who will be violent in the future out of a group of traumatised people. In the meantime, we will either have to shut the doors on all refugees or accept that some will turn out not be model citizens, just like many people born here.

“As for concentration camps, that phrase will forever be associated with Nazism and the Holocaust, no one hears that phrase and thinks, hmm, the British concentration camps during the Boer war, all they think is 6 million dead Jews, you’re using the phrase to equate Australian refugee processing centers to places like Auschwitz and Dachau.”

Indeed it will forever be associated with the Holocaust, but it is quite possible to remember more than one thing – people should remember that the term is broader, and it applies to Labor and Coalition policy on detaining asylum seekers while their claims are assessed.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it – I recently heard someone associated with a RSL say WW1 started in 1915. It is worrying when people are so misinformed of even Australia’s history.

IP

Pork Hunt 4:41 pm 04 May 13

PBO said :

IrishPete said :

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

Just a side note, Canberra even had a concentration camp in Fyshwick during WW2 and parts of it are still visible today.

Interning people from countries we were at war with for the duration of hostilities is vastly different than German or Russian efforts 80 years ago…

Pork Hunt 4:37 pm 04 May 13

IrishPete said :

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

I agree with your last para to a large extent. Your history is pretty good however, whatever you choose to call the camps in Australia, the difference is that 85-90% of boat arrivals get a happy ending. This perhaps was not the case with non-Australian camps throughout history.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-18/understanding-the-asylum-seeker-debate/2718820

The Dark 1:57 pm 04 May 13

Deckard said :

The Dark said :

Herp Derp

Yes you’re such a wonderful human being.

Just curious what you’d say when it’s a young white 4th generation Australian who’s sticking a knife in your face? Blame the Irish?

No, I wouldn’t, its there own fault, they made the decision to rob me at knife point, just like if a refugee robbed me at knife point, the difference is one of them didn’t choose to come here, they were born here, whereas if the violent refugee in question was still in Sudan, theres no chance he would have robbed me or anyone else. Also, I never claimed to be a wonderful person. Like i said earlier, try having almost every experience you’ve ever had with Sudanese males be negative and you might change your attitude, including such fun incidents as 60 of them carrying pool balls and bottles gathering to kick the f*ck out of you and a small group of mates, all because at the same location a week earlier one of them had attacked your mate while off his head and had to be held down by 2 big lads before he would stop swinging and screaming. To put it plainly, this sh*t ain’t right.

Irishpete – I said specifically that if they were too traumatized to come here without inflicting violence on people, then they shouldn’t be here, nothing about your average damaged refugee, I have no problem with people seeking a better, safer life for themselves, but never at such an expense to there hosts.

As for concentration camps, that phrase will forever be associated with Nazism and the Holocaust, no one hears that phrase and thinks, hmm, the British concentration camps during the Boer war, all they think is 6 million dead Jews, you’re using the phrase to equate Australian refugee processing centers to places like Auschwitz and Dachau.

Explaining the term British (note, everyone knows that, and they don’t care)

PBO 1:00 pm 03 May 13

IrishPete said :

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

Just a side note, Canberra even had a concentration camp in Fyshwick during WW2 and parts of it are still visible today.

IrishPete 10:57 am 03 May 13

Deckard said :

The Dark said :

Herp Derp

Yes you’re such a wonderful human being.

Just curious what you’d say when it’s a young white 4th generation Australian who’s sticking a knife in your face? Blame the Irish?

Oi! Blame the English for transporting them here against their will!

(Note I don’t say “British” because British is a term created by the English to encompass Irish, Scottish and Welsh, without their consent, in 1800 I think. With Ireland now mostly independent, and Scotland looking for independence next year, the concept of “British” is unravelling.)

IP

Here_and_Now 10:30 am 03 May 13

Where are the Northbourne flats that are so troublesome? I’ve been on Northbourne and seen various different flats in different places along the street? Which ones are the crime zones in question?

IrishPete 8:21 am 03 May 13

I won’t pick apart your comments one by one, but will address two:

the idea that you should only be allowed to come to Australia as a refugee if you haven’t experienced and been damaged by trauma, is a perfect Catch 22. Joseph Heller would be proud. Most people who claim to have found a Catch 22 have misinterpreted what it means, but this is the best one i have seen for years.

Concentration camps were used by Britain during the Boer War, and similar internment camps were used by other countries in other contexts. They were not extermination camps, or labour camps as you describe. That’s how Nazi Germany adapted them, perhaps Stalin’s Russia too. Australia’s detention of asylum seekers in camps in Australia and overseas fits the definition of concentration camp pretty well, even if it is deliberately emotive to remind people what their government is doing in their name.

IP

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