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New outdoor smoking laws from 9th December.

By UrbanAdventure.org - 13 September 2010 57

I have heard a few radio adds about smoking not being allowed at outdoor restaurants in the ACT from 9th of December. As some one who has a quite severe reaction to cigarette smoke I see this as a good thing, because I’ll finally be able to sit outdoors and enjoy the sun instead of being cooped up in a restaurant avoiding smokers.

But how does it all work? I did a little Googling and found the ACT Health Website and read the fact sheet there.

It seems that licensed clubs and pubs can have outdoor smoking areas, just restaurants that primarily sell food can’t. Also, licensed pubs need to apply to have a DOSA. A Designated Outdoor Smoking Area. However, there are big fines for letting smoke from a DOSA to enter an outdoor eating or drinking area.

But how is this going to work in reality? Say I decide to head down to the local pub to enjoy a fine steak, a bit of live music and to chat with me mates outside on the porch. I’m there eating my steak and salad and from the table next door over wafts some smoke. So I say “Excuse me good sir, would you mine please putting out your cigarette. Your smoke from the DOSA is entering my eating area.” To which they reply “Go get stuffed” and I suddenly find myself wearing a glass attachment to my forehead.

I mean really, which smoking and inebriated pub going individual is really going to put out their cigarette because I happen to be eating out doors? I will more than likely get told where to go and how to get there. As for the management, they’re hardly going to tell a drunk smoker to stop smoking? Or will they? By all means management of pubs give their views on this. Also, what do others think of this? Non smokers have you found that smokers will put out their cigarettes if politely asked? Smokers, have you put out your cigarette if politely asked?

My personal experience is that on almost all occasions that I have politely asked a smoker to put out their cigarette they refuse to do so, even when directly seated underneath a 3 foot wide no smoking sign, or in clearly designated no smoking areas. I get anything from “F off” to “It’s my right to smoke” (I guess this negates my right to breathe) to people who just ignore me and go on smoking.

What’s Your opinion?


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Jungle Jim 4:58 pm 13 Oct 10

I thought you folk had learnt not to feed the trolls when they’re nibbling at old threads?

Postalgeek 4:40 pm 13 Oct 10

havafati said :

I’ll smoke where I want and when I want. I have no social conscience and and no rights left. So non smokers can get stuffed if you even try and approach me I will bite you snivelling little whingers. The lousy fools that run the ACT can give me little bits of paper called fines all they like, they will be screwed thrown back in their face, thats right I litter too now. So from December 9th expect to see me standing up wind of your favourite eatery enjoying a nice cigarette.

Geez havafati, you’re sounding a bit short of breath after that rant. Maybe you should give up the fags.

Pitchka 3:18 pm 13 Oct 10

havafati said :

I’ll smoke where I want and when I want. I have no social conscience and and no rights left. So non smokers can get stuffed if you even try and approach me I will bite you snivelling little whingers. The lousy fools that run the ACT can give me little bits of paper called fines all they like, they will be screwed thrown back in their face, thats right I litter too now. So from December 9th expect to see me standing up wind of your favourite eatery enjoying a nice cigarette.

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havafati 2:03 pm 13 Oct 10

I’ll smoke where I want and when I want. I have no social conscience and and no rights left. So non smokers can get stuffed if you even try and approach me I will bite you snivelling little whingers. The lousy fools that run the ACT can give me little bits of paper called fines all they like, they will be screwed thrown back in their face, thats right I litter too now. So from December 9th expect to see me standing up wind of your favourite eatery enjoying a nice cigarette.

PBO 9:03 am 23 Sep 10

I wish that we could have smokers only venues, but then we would get done for discrimination. Women can have a women only gym, but men cannot as it is sexist. Life is full of dissappointments like this. We will always have anti this and pro that, but at the end of the day it is peoples little freedoms that we are taking away and that in the long run will create unnecessary division and unrest in the community.

If I get asked to put out my cigarette in a designated smoking area then my ciggy and something else will end up in their face.

Thats my two cents so far.

mouthface 2:21 am 23 Sep 10

Australia is the most over-regulated country in the world, and Canberra is the most over-regulated city in Australia. How do you poor souls ever cope when traveling in Asia or Europe? If you brought up this nanny-state nonsense while out for a drink in most places in the world, you would just be laughed at. Haha from me…

Tooks 5:08 pm 22 Sep 10

fragge said :

Tooks said :

fragge said :

Wow check out the vehement anti-smoker drivel in this thread, way to over-generalise more than 1 billion people as drug-addicted scum. Just because you get your kicks hosting drunken get-togethers and enjoying the aromas of cheap wine doesn’t mean you can self-righteously dictate how others get theirs. Smokers don’t just smoke because they’re addicted, they smoke because there is nothing better than a cigarette during a break of ANY activity. Sorry your precious lungs can’t handle a little second hand smoke from meters away whilst you enjoy your $30 meal, I wonder how you survived the 80s and 90s. You inhale more carbon monoxide riding home along the highway than inhaling second hand smoke, get the f*** over it.

Is it the nicotine that make you so cranky?

I quit cold turkey more than two months ago, purely to begin a new gym schedule. Is it the internet that allows you anonymous randoms to rag on a huge number of patrons because your poor sense of smell is offended by burning plant matter whilst you eat charred, dead animal? Get off your high horse, don’t you have global warming or terrorists to stop or something?

Hehe, do you always get this fired up when someone makes a little joke at your expense? Speaking of anonymous randoms, is fragge your real name?

bloviate 2:55 pm 19 Sep 10

It’s ignorant to assume that your local pub or outdoor cafe will be smoke free.
And even so, 99% of these places have an indoor section that is smoke free? If someone lights a fag next to me while I’m eating – it’s because they’re a jerk, not a smoker. And If I’m not sitting down? I can easily take a few steps away. Just like how I would step away from a crowd when I smoked.

It really is that simple guys. Stop worrying about everything Canberra. Go for a walk around the lake or something and cheer yourself up.

Mulberry 11:49 am 18 Sep 10

fragge said :

Tooks said :

fragge said :

Wow check out the vehement anti-smoker drivel in this thread, way to over-generalise more than 1 billion people as drug-addicted scum. Just because you get your kicks hosting drunken get-togethers and enjoying the aromas of cheap wine doesn’t mean you can self-righteously dictate how others get theirs. Smokers don’t just smoke because they’re addicted, they smoke because there is nothing better than a cigarette during a break of ANY activity. Sorry your precious lungs can’t handle a little second hand smoke from meters away whilst you enjoy your $30 meal, I wonder how you survived the 80s and 90s. You inhale more carbon monoxide riding home along the highway than inhaling second hand smoke, get the f*** over it.

Is it the nicotine that make you so cranky?

I quit cold turkey more than two months ago, purely to begin a new gym schedule. Is it the internet that allows you anonymous randoms to rag on a huge number of patrons because your poor sense of smell is offended by burning plant matter whilst you eat charred, dead animal? Get off your high horse, don’t you have global warming or terrorists to stop or something?

hahaha fragge you rock!!

dvaey 9:37 pm 14 Sep 10

inlymbo said :

Food and cigarette smoke do not go together, bring on the rules I say.

What if there was a rule that no restaurant was to have outdoor seating within say 100m of a carpark or roadway? After all, why should people have to breathe in smokey car exhaust while having their meal?

For that matter, lets bring in a law forcing all restaurants to have heating, after all, you should be able to eat outside in winter without getting cold (or breathing in smoke or exhaust)…

Eventually, you just have to accept that if you make decisions, there are sometimes unwanted consequences, but no-one is forcing you to eat, or drink or sit anywhere.

I was a smoker for many years, but quit about 6 months ago. If someone lights up near me, Im generally man enough to either put up with it without making a fuss, or walk away.

Seriously, if the biggest problem in your life, is someone at another table at your expensive restaurant lighting up a smoke, Ive got a tiny violin that can play your song.

fragge 3:07 pm 14 Sep 10

Tooks said :

fragge said :

Wow check out the vehement anti-smoker drivel in this thread, way to over-generalise more than 1 billion people as drug-addicted scum. Just because you get your kicks hosting drunken get-togethers and enjoying the aromas of cheap wine doesn’t mean you can self-righteously dictate how others get theirs. Smokers don’t just smoke because they’re addicted, they smoke because there is nothing better than a cigarette during a break of ANY activity. Sorry your precious lungs can’t handle a little second hand smoke from meters away whilst you enjoy your $30 meal, I wonder how you survived the 80s and 90s. You inhale more carbon monoxide riding home along the highway than inhaling second hand smoke, get the f*** over it.

Is it the nicotine that make you so cranky?

I quit cold turkey more than two months ago, purely to begin a new gym schedule. Is it the internet that allows you anonymous randoms to rag on a huge number of patrons because your poor sense of smell is offended by burning plant matter whilst you eat charred, dead animal? Get off your high horse, don’t you have global warming or terrorists to stop or something?

Tooks 1:47 pm 14 Sep 10

fragge said :

Wow check out the vehement anti-smoker drivel in this thread, way to over-generalise more than 1 billion people as drug-addicted scum. Just because you get your kicks hosting drunken get-togethers and enjoying the aromas of cheap wine doesn’t mean you can self-righteously dictate how others get theirs. Smokers don’t just smoke because they’re addicted, they smoke because there is nothing better than a cigarette during a break of ANY activity. Sorry your precious lungs can’t handle a little second hand smoke from meters away whilst you enjoy your $30 meal, I wonder how you survived the 80s and 90s. You inhale more carbon monoxide riding home along the highway than inhaling second hand smoke, get the f*** over it.

Is it the nicotine that make you so cranky?

fragge 12:55 pm 14 Sep 10

Wow check out the vehement anti-smoker drivel in this thread, way to over-generalise more than 1 billion people as drug-addicted scum. Just because you get your kicks hosting drunken get-togethers and enjoying the aromas of cheap wine doesn’t mean you can self-righteously dictate how others get theirs. Smokers don’t just smoke because they’re addicted, they smoke because there is nothing better than a cigarette during a break of ANY activity. Sorry your precious lungs can’t handle a little second hand smoke from meters away whilst you enjoy your $30 meal, I wonder how you survived the 80s and 90s. You inhale more carbon monoxide riding home along the highway than inhaling second hand smoke, get the f*** over it.

fgzk 9:33 am 14 Sep 10

I’ve always wondered why people get glassed. Now I know.

I personally don’t like the smell of alcohol or people who drink. Guess what…I don’t go to pubs. Its full of drinkers. It would be much better to ban beer in pubs so I could eat a steak, but Id rather drinkers had somewhere to go. Somewhere to hang with mates where if some cock wants to shoot his mouth off uninvited, he’d cop a flogging.

Thumper 8:45 am 14 Sep 10

At least you can still “smoke” electronic cigarettes anywhere as they produce no smoke. Technically banned in Australia but what isn’t. Would piss off self righteous anti-smoking crusaders to no end as they are unable to bully you with their bullshit nannystate rules

DO androyds dream of electric sheep? And smoke electric cigarettes?

Madame Workalot 8:35 am 14 Sep 10

Rossco Downunder said :

…you sound like you’d probably choose a). Good on you. You have distinguished yourself from the sort of behaviour (screwed priorities) that I’m talking about. You rate socialisation and other comforts in life (coffee for eg) higher than the smokes and forced to choose would choose wisely.

I probably wouldn’t choose a). Does that mean I’m a dirty filthy smoker who has no consideration for others?

Just because people don’t do what you want them to do, doesn’t mean they’re wrong. I still maintain that in your little sob story the problem primarily rests with you – if your friends choose to sit outside and smoke, it’s their choice. I’m sure there’s plenty of times that they’ve chosen to sit inside with you. The point is – they make the choice to sit outside and smoke, or inside and not smoke, just the same as you make the choice to sit outside with your friends, or inside out of the cold. As for the rest of the problems with your friends – dare I venture that you may be exaggerating a little to try and prove your point?

(Just quietly, if it was me, I’d be sitting outside hoping you’d get the shits and leave because you sound like a whiney little bitch 🙂 )

DBCooper 8:15 am 14 Sep 10

As a result of it no longer being politically acceptable for idiots to demonize segments of the population based on race, hate filled individuals who find themselves unable to improve their low self esteem by publicly expressing their hatred towards “niggers”, “faggots” aborigines etc instead are forced to make themselves feel superior by hating smokers or fat people.

Fat people and smokers are the new “niggers” if you will. Politically correct hate.

At least you can still “smoke” electronic cigarettes anywhere as they produce no smoke. Technically banned in Australia but what isn’t. Would piss off self righteous anti-smoking crusaders to no end as they are unable to bully you with their bullshit nannystate rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette

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