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New visions for Bunda Street

johnboy 16 January 2013 67

bunda street plans

Shane Rattenbury has announced the release of concept plans for Bunda Street:

The redesign of Bunda Street will form part of the Civic Cycle Loop project, a 3.2 kilometre path that loops around the City and connects to existing paths that lead into the City. The ACT Government has so far invested $6 million for the design and construction of the Civic Cycle Loop.

“These are exciting new designs for Canberra’s city centre that we hope will encourage pedestrians and cyclists, improve safety, and also create a vibrant and user-friendly urban space,” said Mr Rattenbury.

“The Bunda Street section of the Civic Cycle Loop, between Mort and Akuna Streets, requires special design consideration as it has high pedestrian and traffic volumes and a busy retail and hospitality environment.

“We engaged three separate, highly qualified and experienced urban design consultants to participate in a design competition for the Bunda Street section of the loop. Each consultant has presented their best design proposal for the space. Each design has a unique proposal to manage Bunda Street as a high-use space for motorists, pedestrians and cyclists.

“We really encourage the community to get involved and provide feedback on which design they think would work best for the Bunda Street section of the cycle loop.

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Livetolunch 2:11 pm 24 Jan 13

20 years ago when I cycled every day riders seemed to manage to ride on the road and not get squished. Are riders so mentally challenged these days that the ACT government has to waste $6 million plus trying to nanny them through town? This most recent flagrant waste of tax dollars is good reason to move across the border.

Leon 12:11 pm 21 Jan 13

A cycleway on Cooyong and Corranderrk Sts will offer connections to Commonwealth Avenue Bridge via Marcus Clarke St at one end. At the other end it offers several ways to get to the bridge via Allara St.

You can get into Civic from Cooyong/Coranderrk Sts via Scotts Crossing, Petrie St, Ainslie Avenue (which is a public thoroughfare), Akuna St or Constitution Avenue.

davo101 said :

A path on Cooyong and Corranderrk won’t connect with the cycle path coming over the Commonwealth bridge and also provides no facilities to get to anywhere in Civic.

c_c™ 1:37 pm 20 Jan 13

Dacquiri said :

Jack Waterford is in his element today on the whole Bunda Street, Civic, and the history and worrying future of a city centre which has the potential to be much better: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/no-need-for-civic-velodrome-20130119-2d0g4.html

If by element, you mean sounding like a tired old crank with no ideas but still very able to bitch meanderingly about stuff, then he sure is.

You wouldn’t know it from the way he talks, but I’d say Civic has improved since he supposedly thinks it went off course. The fault is that of the commercial operators who have let much of Civic go stale. So if QIC wants to spend big, of course that’s going to suck people out of other areas – and other parts of Civic had plenty of time to upgrade before the Canberra Centre behemoth became what it is. Walk through Centrepoint (basically empty), place should have been bulldozed long ago.

Dacquiri 12:42 pm 20 Jan 13

Jack Waterford is in his element today on the whole Bunda Street, Civic, and the history and worrying future of a city centre which has the potential to be much better: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/no-need-for-civic-velodrome-20130119-2d0g4.html

PantsMan 8:46 am 18 Jan 13

miz said :

How about a two year moratorium on consultant’s reports and use the money saved to actually improve services. I am so fed up with pollies trying to ‘improve’ what is already pretty good, and messing it up, at massive cost.

Would that include the recent consultant’s report on having more Members of the Legislative Assembly?

It also says something about the ACT Public Service that they have who department providing advice, but the advice usually seems to be “commission a consultant.” Suppose that’s what you get when you employ the illiterate.

My taxes blah, blah, blah…

what_the 1:19 am 18 Jan 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I always find it lol when somebody points good examples of good things happening in Europe and how it should work here then some lack wit jumps straight in with *WELL IS EUROPE HERE? NO WE DON’T WANT TO CHANGE TO THAT! F@$$&! STRAYA C$&@*

So bring on the autobahn then! Tuggeranong Autobahn, has a nice ring.

miz 9:27 pm 17 Jan 13

How about a two year moratorium on consultant’s reports and use the money saved to actually improve services. I am so fed up with pollies trying to ‘improve’ what is already pretty good, and messing it up, at massive cost.

dungfungus 9:12 pm 17 Jan 13

cranky said :

Ah, Youth.

Back in the good old days, it was behoven of all young lads to do laps of Civic (in their hotties) at lunchtime, with the primary aim to arrive at the pedestrian crossing outside the Monaro Mall at the same time as tasty crumpet crossed. Traffic slowed to a stand still. But what an appreciative audience for the newly invented miniskirt.

O/T but I read somewhere that Seymour Michael, the fashion designer who invented the mini-skirt, died recently.

el 9:02 pm 17 Jan 13

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

I visited Seville in Spain a few years ago (about the same time the Stanhopes were doing the Camino de Santiago on bicycles). Before getting off the tourist bus at the hotel in the centre of Seville, the tour guide warned all that bicycle lanes had taken over the city and they travelled at very high speed with no intention of warning (the city noise drowns out everything) or giving way to pedestrians. I witnessed several collisions between pedistrians and gung-ho bike riders while I was there and had a couple of near misses myself. It is nice to create a shared zone on paper but the reality is that pedestians and bikes don’t mix well. Apossible solution is to create speed bumps in bicycle lanes (I am serious).

Some sources?

What do you mean, “some sources”?
Be specific please. Would you like sworn affidavits from me and my wife and the other people on the bus?

Don’t you know anything?

He wants screenshots.

From Spain.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 9:01 pm 17 Jan 13

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I always find it lol when somebody points good examples of good things happening in Europe and how it should work here then some lack wit jumps straight in with *WELL IS EUROPE HERE? NO WE DON’T WANT TO CHANGE TO THAT! F@$$&! STRAYA C$&@*

I visited Seville in Spain a few years ago (about the same time the Stanhopes were doing the Camino de Santiago on bicycles). Before getting off the tourist bus at the hotel in the centre of Seville, the tour guide warned all that bicycle lanes had taken over the city and they travelled at very high speed with no intention of warning (the city noise drowns out everything) or giving way to pedestrians. I witnessed several collisions between pedistrians and gung-ho bike riders while I was there and had a couple of near misses myself. It is nice to create a shared zone on paper but the reality is that pedestians and bikes don’t mix well. Apossible solution is to create speed bumps in bicycle lanes (I am serious).

Some sources?

What do you mean, “some sources”?
Be specific please. Would you like sworn affidavits from me and my wife and the other people on the bus?

Maybe some non anecdotal story?

cranky 8:56 pm 17 Jan 13

Ah, Youth.

Back in the good old days, it was behoven of all young lads to do laps of Civic (in their hotties) at lunchtime, with the primary aim to arrive at the pedestrian crossing outside the Monaro Mall at the same time as tasty crumpet crossed. Traffic slowed to a stand still. But what an appreciative audience for the newly invented miniskirt.

dungfungus 7:52 pm 17 Jan 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I always find it lol when somebody points good examples of good things happening in Europe and how it should work here then some lack wit jumps straight in with *WELL IS EUROPE HERE? NO WE DON’T WANT TO CHANGE TO THAT! F@$$&! STRAYA C$&@*

I visited Seville in Spain a few years ago (about the same time the Stanhopes were doing the Camino de Santiago on bicycles). Before getting off the tourist bus at the hotel in the centre of Seville, the tour guide warned all that bicycle lanes had taken over the city and they travelled at very high speed with no intention of warning (the city noise drowns out everything) or giving way to pedestrians. I witnessed several collisions between pedistrians and gung-ho bike riders while I was there and had a couple of near misses myself. It is nice to create a shared zone on paper but the reality is that pedestians and bikes don’t mix well. Apossible solution is to create speed bumps in bicycle lanes (I am serious).

Some sources?

What do you mean, “some sources”?
Be specific please. Would you like sworn affidavits from me and my wife and the other people on the bus?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 7:02 pm 17 Jan 13

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I always find it lol when somebody points good examples of good things happening in Europe and how it should work here then some lack wit jumps straight in with *WELL IS EUROPE HERE? NO WE DON’T WANT TO CHANGE TO THAT! F@$$&! STRAYA C$&@*

I visited Seville in Spain a few years ago (about the same time the Stanhopes were doing the Camino de Santiago on bicycles). Before getting off the tourist bus at the hotel in the centre of Seville, the tour guide warned all that bicycle lanes had taken over the city and they travelled at very high speed with no intention of warning (the city noise drowns out everything) or giving way to pedestrians. I witnessed several collisions between pedistrians and gung-ho bike riders while I was there and had a couple of near misses myself. It is nice to create a shared zone on paper but the reality is that pedestians and bikes don’t mix well. Apossible solution is to create speed bumps in bicycle lanes (I am serious).

Some sources?

dungfungus 6:39 pm 17 Jan 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I always find it lol when somebody points good examples of good things happening in Europe and how it should work here then some lack wit jumps straight in with *WELL IS EUROPE HERE? NO WE DON’T WANT TO CHANGE TO THAT! F@$$&! STRAYA C$&@*

I visited Seville in Spain a few years ago (about the same time the Stanhopes were doing the Camino de Santiago on bicycles). Before getting off the tourist bus at the hotel in the centre of Seville, the tour guide warned all that bicycle lanes had taken over the city and they travelled at very high speed with no intention of warning (the city noise drowns out everything) or giving way to pedestrians. I witnessed several collisions between pedistrians and gung-ho bike riders while I was there and had a couple of near misses myself. It is nice to create a shared zone on paper but the reality is that pedestians and bikes don’t mix well. Apossible solution is to create speed bumps in bicycle lanes (I am serious).

davo101 4:20 pm 17 Jan 13

Leon said :

New cycling facilities that are proposed along Cooyong and Corranderrk St will allow much of the cycling through-traffic to bypass Civic, making any cycling facilities on Bunda St largely redundant.

A path on Cooyong and Corranderrk won’t connect with the cycle path coming over the Commonwealth bridge and also provides no facilities to get to anywhere in Civic.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:50 pm 17 Jan 13

I always find it lol when somebody points good examples of good things happening in Europe and how it should work here then some lack wit jumps straight in with *WELL IS EUROPE HERE? NO WE DON’T WANT TO CHANGE TO THAT! F@$$&! STRAYA C$&@*

Leon 3:06 pm 17 Jan 13

patrick_keogh said :

the Civic Cycle loop … will provide a safe and convenient route for cyclists from the pedestrian footbridge over Parkes Way at Commonwealth Park … gathering up those who currently ride down Constitution and from Reid and bring them to one end of Bunda Street. The other part of the loop collects cyclists from the Dickson/O’Connor cycle path, ANU and the other pedestrian bridge over Parkes Way at New Acton and deposits them at the other end of Bunda Street. Collectively this is approximately 40% of the total cycle traffic travelling through Civic.

If the Civic Cycle Loop does not make provision for these cyclists to ride safely along Bunda Street (the middle of the loop) then they will continue to rat-run through City Walk, Garema Place, Petrie Plaza etc. and along the footpaths.

If your figures are based on Pedal Power’s annual cordon count, then you probably mean “40% of the total cycling traffic INTO Civic.”

New cycling facilities that are proposed along Cooyong and Corranderrk St will allow much of the cycing through-traffic to bypass Civic, making any cycling facilities on Bunda St largely redundant.

Keijidosha 2:54 pm 17 Jan 13

patrick_keogh said :

If the Civic Cycle Loop does not make provision for these cyclists to ride safely along Bunda Street (the middle of the loop) then they will continue to rat-run through City Walk, Garema Place, Petrie Plaza etc. and along the footpaths.

The pedestrian areas of Civic currently present little impediment to cyclists, and often provide the shortest route from A to B. It would have been more cost effective to simply mark a cycle lane in these areas to create an identifiable separation between pedestrians and cyclists.

The cycle loop is an expensive solution in search of a problem. Unless bicycles are banned from City Walk (etc) I will continue to ‘rat-run’.

patrick_keogh 1:43 pm 17 Jan 13

Leon said :

Is Bunda St an important cycling ROUTE?

It’s obviously an important cycling DESTINATION, as demonstrated by the usually-full bike parking in the adjoining streets.

Some time ago I surveyed traffic on Bunda St. 88% of the on-road traffic was pedestrians crossing from one side to the other. 11% was motor vehicles driving along Bunds St. Bicycle made up only 1% of the on-road traffic.

Leon this is disingenuous or at least forgetful. Just to remind you, the Civic Cycle loop which is under construction will provide a safe and convenient route for cyclists from the pedestrian footbridge over Parkes Way at Commonwealth Park (near the swimming pool), gathering up those who currently ride down Constitution and from Reid and bring them to one end of Bunda Street. The other part of the loop collects cyclists from the Dickson/O’Connor cycle path, ANU and the other pedestrian bridge over Parkes Way at New Acton and deposits them at the other end of Bunda Street. Collectively this is approximately 40% of the total cycle traffic travelling through Civic.

If the Civic Cycle Loop does not make provision for these cyclists to ride safely along Bunda Street (the middle of the loop) then they will continue to rat-run through City Walk, Garema Place, Petrie Plaza etc. and along the footpaths.

I would have thought that you of all people would be in favour of reducing the bicycle traffic in these primarily pedestrian areas.

dtc 9:55 am 17 Jan 13

johnboy said :

As a cyclist i’ve got to say that given a choice between a bunda street cycle lane or the who,e width of City Walk I’m going to take City Walk every time.

Cycling access to civic is hampered by Northbourne and Barry drive, not anything on Bunda.

I’m not so sure about this. Say that you (like me) are riding into Civic from O’Connor. You go up the cycle path to Barry Drive/Marcus Clarke St. Now at the moment you meander all over the place, mostly on footpaths up Marcus Clarke St, cross over Northbourne, go through the bus interchange (on the footpath), into Garema Place or City Walk (on the footpath).

In the future, maybe you go up the on road cycle path on Marcus Clarke, then the one on Rudd St. Cross over Northbourne and onto the on road cycle path on Bunda St and there you are. No footpaths necessary (or maybe only for a short period). Presumably everyone should be happy.

Also, @Leon, there is a reason why cyclists do not go down Bunda St at the moment, but stay on the footpaths or go via Garema Place. Because Bunda St on road is a nightmare for cyclists. So saying there is no need for cycle access because only 1% of users are cyclists is missing the point.

My view is that a one way street with no on street parking offers the best solution – if you really need to go down the street you can; it gives us room for cycle paths, extra footpath space and perhaps extra seating space and businesses can load and unload in designated loading zones.

Finally, I dont understand why cyclists are being blamed or criticised here. Bunda St is mostly pedestrian and its terrible for pedestrians and for traffic. Clearly something needs to be done – and all of these proposals are focused on pedestrians (with traffic and cyclists taking a back seat). For example, if you were car focused the proposals would be vastly different (eg put in overhead pedestrian bridges). So stop whinging about bikes, these are pedestrian solutions. Whinge about the pedestrians clogging up our roads.

Plus the reason there are three proposals is to cover off three different ideas eg shared space, one way road, changing the environment. Clearly each consultant was told to focus on one type of solution; otherwise I suspect they may have all come up with the same answer (for me, single lane – because its true that shared roads dont work in Australia at the moment).

I can’t believe people dont want any of the solutions – what do you want done with Bunda St? Leave it as it is, with cars and people and trucks and grime and ticky tack shops?

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