No choice for exposure to radiation at AMC

capitolm 18 February 2010 55

My family member is in remand at the AMC and now will be subjected to several doses of radiation per week as they will now be x-rayed through SOTARS after every visit. While they would prefer to be subjected to strip searches – they have been told they must go through the x-ray or have a non-contact visit through the glass booth. Do they not have the right to express health concerns because they are a prisoner? I can not find anywhere – where the radiation council has approved the use of this equipment for use, yet it was in use last weekend. But not today. What is the point of this machine anyway if it is not going to be used consistently? How can I even begin to oppose its use when there don’t seem to be any publicly available policies on it? I don’t think it’s right that my family member is a guinea pig for the government’s new security screen. My family member is not a drug user and is not in maximum security. Now I have the guilt of knowing what they must further endure when I visit. Family visits and support are an important part of the rehabilitation process for a person in prison and yet my mere presence will be be putting my family member at a measurable health risk.


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vg vg 5:49 pm 21 Feb 10

“The lack of empathy and degree of downright bigotry displayed in this thread reminds me of why I stopped coming to this site so often, so many months ago.”

So why the return, did you expect a change?

Happy to judge and be judged. What I will be judged on won’t land me in the AMC.

westyonline westyonline 5:42 pm 21 Feb 10

LEOPARDS DON’T CHANGE THEIR SPOTS???….once a crook,always a crook!

ricketyclik ricketyclik 11:43 am 21 Feb 10

You lot sicken me. The lack of empathy and degree of downright bigotry displayed in this thread reminds me of why I stopped coming to this site so often, so many months ago. This site is dominated by self-righteous chest thumpers who would rather spend their lives morally outraged and pointing their fingers than to have a good think about things.

No doubt you got your education from “A Current Affair” and similar.

For the record, the aim is REHABILITATION, not retribution. Thank God the people in charge of these things aren’t answerable to the ignorant rabble that seem to make up the majority of our “civilization”. Do you think retribution will convince a person with no respect for society to behave well and consider others? How about teaching them how and why to be a contributing member of society?

And yes, I have been a victim of crime, and even if I hadn’t do you think those who hold views like mine haven’t thought that aspect through? That’s the first part of the question. The difference is, we’ve thought past that basic, primitive, initial response.

You lot are no better than a pack of dogs, and don’t deserve to be categorized as part of “humanity”. Think about that. But no, of course you won’t, you’ll continue on with your blind, reactionary, stimulus-response existences.

I bet a lot of you consider yourself Christians. Well “judge not, lest ye be judged”.

To capitolm:

I’m sorry for you and your family, and all affected by this chain of events. I hope you and yours can work your way through and past this. If you do, it will be no thanks to the charming folk on this site.

westyonline westyonline 11:11 am 20 Feb 10

maybe they are x-raying for brain matter…..”Hay frank,found any with brains yet?” “No charlie,these ones seem all clear,no brains in any of these folk”..
our gaols are not full or smart people,remember that!

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 9:24 am 20 Feb 10

capitolm said :

Oh Golly gosh now ..No I never thought of that…(!??) Are you kidding me? We are victims of this crime too and we think and deal with this every day, including FM. We talk about it often- FM is deeply humbled and regretful of it…to all who have become ‘victims’ because of FMs very poor decision.

Maybe if you thought of what FM did as “crime” rather than a “very poor decision”, you’d get more sympathy here.

As for your sneering disdain on the courses on offer at the Hume Hilton, I have to point out to you that they sort of work honest people do to pay their way in society, others commit crimes.

Northwest9 Northwest9 8:25 pm 19 Feb 10

jimmybolina said :

sloppery said :

Capitolm – perhaps you need to consider WHY it is that people hold these opinions.

Good point there, sloppery, why do they have these opinions?

But first I would just like to say what a progressive, open minded lot we have here on the Riotact!!!! I thought I was Hicksville with all these progressive minds operating on the same level of Pauline Hanson’s……

I have the answers for all –

a) They are red necks from the deep south of the USA – see George W Bush and his intelligence level

b) They are brain dead

c) The big smoke of Canberra is all they have and know……. (for those of you not residing in Canberra substitute you irrelevant backwater in)

One day, one of these big noting ‘bloggers’ will face what capitolm is facing.

Its going to happen.

Karma is rolling your way now kiddies so enjoy your inevitable slide to tasting the gob shite you have been spouting.

Time to go…..I gotta set of dem gallows to build for dose unwanted criminals…….

wow, just wow.

here i was thinking i was up on a high horse and along comes this dribbler.

i particularly love the line telling us we are going to be facing what capitolm is facing and that will learn us….

i just wonder if our big hearted lefty jimmy stopped to think what it must be like for the other side, you know, the forgotten ones. the victims….

i wonder jimmy, would your heart bleed for the crims as much if you found your car stolen? your house broken into? your sister/mother/daughter raped? your mothers life savings taken by a con man? your dad killed by a drunk driver?

or would that all be cool, cause only rednecks like to see crims punished?

jimmybolina jimmybolina 5:52 pm 19 Feb 10

sloppery said :

Capitolm – perhaps you need to consider WHY it is that people hold these opinions.

Good point there, sloppery, why do they have these opinions?

But first I would just like to say what a progressive, open minded lot we have here on the Riotact!!!! I thought I was Hicksville with all these progressive minds operating on the same level of Pauline Hanson’s……

I have the answers for all –

a) They are red necks from the deep south of the USA – see George W Bush and his intelligence level

b) They are brain dead

c) The big smoke of Canberra is all they have and know……. (for those of you not residing in Canberra substitute you irrelevant backwater in)

One day, one of these big noting ‘bloggers’ will face what capitolm is facing.

Its going to happen.

Karma is rolling your way now kiddies so enjoy your inevitable slide to tasting the gob shite you have been spouting.

Time to go…..I gotta set of dem gallows to build for dose unwanted criminals…….

Northwest9 Northwest9 5:24 pm 19 Feb 10

the complaining about opportunities for crims did get me going, so yeah, i got suckered in….

however, if you were complaining about full body scans at airports i would be on the same high horse ive been on here, if you dont want to be scanned for fear of privacy or radiation…. dont fly.

simple really

Icepoet Icepoet 4:54 pm 19 Feb 10

Just because the prison doesn’t offer university degrees in person doesn’t mean your family member can’t use some initiative and enrol themselves in a distance education course. From what I’ve heard there is internet access – and if they are found guilty at least they’ll have something to do for the next few years.

https://www.open.edu.au/wps/portal/oua/home/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gDA29nU-9QAz9nA0dPC0Mjf19DAwjQDwfpwFThh1ABlccOHA30_Tzyc1P1C7Kz0xwdFRUBgNqubA!!/dl3/d3/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

capitolm capitolm 4:06 pm 19 Feb 10

Wow. Boy you sure told me and I must stand corrected. You are all right. and there was no offense intended with the barrista or hairdressing – I was trying to make a point that they don’t offer higher education and limited trade opportunities. The IT course was a sham.

Wonder if I had not mentioned AMC – just the radiation bit would it have been a different conversation.

Looks like I started a RIOT.

Ta ta – have a lovely weekend looking for someone else to lynch. Hope FM gives self an uppercut? Nice.

Northwest9 Northwest9 2:55 pm 19 Feb 10

not get caught, not court

terrible spelling… oops

Northwest9 Northwest9 2:51 pm 19 Feb 10

paperboy said :

Northwest9 said :

being on remand simply means you broke the law (allegedly) and went to a hearing where a judge decided that you arent fit for public life until you go to court.

being on remand does not mean you broke the law. Until you’re convicted you are innocent of the charge. A court may believe there are grounds for a conviction, but more than a few remandees end up being found not guity and walk free

hence the “allegedly” i put in there, the cops figured you did it and charged you with a crime, you front a court. some statements are made, and someone decided whether your a risk or not.

no risk, you walk on bail.

deemed a risk, you go inside to learn how to not get court next time

Northwest9 Northwest9 2:41 pm 19 Feb 10

capitolm said :

sloppery said :

Pommy bastard said :

capitolm said :

I don’t share the black and white opionions of some of you re: if you are in jail you deserve whatever bad happens. I have learned over the last year that many people in prison have been victims of crime or products of their environment. Some people just take a wrong turn regardless of their environment.

Cry me a river…

I agree. What about the victims of the crimes this ‘FM’ committed? Ever thought about what they’ve been through?

Oh Golly gosh now ..No I never thought of that…(!??) Are you kidding me? We are victims of this crime too and we think and deal with this every day, including FM. We talk about it often- FM is deeply humbled and regretful of it…to all who have become ‘victims’ because of FMs very poor decision.

Oh yeah…and the ‘education’ programs hmmmm…I believe one can obtain a certificate in such things as coffee making, laundry duties, haircutting…oh and of course limitless cognitive therapy is available…yep…so much to aspire for and prepare one for returning to society. In long bay prison you can study law.

Clearly there are many strong opinions here about what should be the course of action for the treatment of ‘criminals’ and they all seem to go in one big box. Very glad we have a legal system to guide some of the decision making.

Cry ME a river! : )

i am led to believe the IT course was booked out pretty quickly. as IT is what butters my bread, are my aspirartions lower than those of criminal persuasion

and anyway, if coffee making and haircutting is below the crims, dont get put in prison, again i come back to how simple it is.

i hope you look at your barrister next time your buying a coffee and show them the kind of disdain you clearly have for their profession, being that it is below that of a crim….

my missus pays 180 for a haircut, ill let her know to tell her hairdresser that you think his profession is below the lofty aspirations of someone who society has deemed not fit for life in public prior to their trial.

buzz819 buzz819 1:35 pm 19 Feb 10

capitolm said :

sloppery said :

Pommy bastard said :

capitolm said :

I don’t share the black and white opionions of some of you re: if you are in jail you deserve whatever bad happens. I have learned over the last year that many people in prison have been victims of crime or products of their environment. Some people just take a wrong turn regardless of their environment.

Cry me a river…

I agree. What about the victims of the crimes this ‘FM’ committed? Ever thought about what they’ve been through?

Oh Golly gosh now ..No I never thought of that…(!??) Are you kidding me? We are victims of this crime too and we think and deal with this every day, including FM. We talk about it often- FM is deeply humbled and regretful of it…to all who have become ‘victims’ because of FMs very poor decision.

Oh yeah…and the ‘education’ programs hmmmm…I believe one can obtain a certificate in such things as coffee making, laundry duties, haircutting…oh and of course limitless cognitive therapy is available…yep…so much to aspire for and prepare one for returning to society. In long bay prison you can study law.

Clearly there are many strong opinions here about what should be the course of action for the treatment of ‘criminals’ and they all seem to go in one big box. Very glad we have a legal system to guide some of the decision making.

Cry ME a river! : )

Wow sounds like you aspire to go to Long Bay to get a Law degree…

I think what you’ve done is come to a place where, a) you thought that people would care for a criminal, b) would help and sympathize with you about the heinous reality of being locked up because one broke the law, and c) you don’t want to hear the reality of what society thinks about people who break the law.

Hope you family member gets a wake up call and can one day look at himself in the mirror, then uppercut himself…

sloppery sloppery 1:32 pm 19 Feb 10

Capitolm – perhaps you need to consider WHY it is that people hold these opinions.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 12:32 pm 19 Feb 10

While we all have opinions on the cuddleprison and its residents, get back to discussing radiation exposure and compulsory bodyscanning people after contact visits.

paperboy paperboy 12:32 pm 19 Feb 10

Northwest9 said :

being on remand simply means you broke the law (allegedly) and went to a hearing where a judge decided that you arent fit for public life until you go to court.

being on remand does not mean you broke the law. Until you’re convicted you are innocent of the charge. A court may believe there are grounds for a conviction, but more than a few remandees end up being found not guity and walk free

capitolm capitolm 11:52 am 19 Feb 10

sloppery said :

Pommy bastard said :

capitolm said :

I don’t share the black and white opionions of some of you re: if you are in jail you deserve whatever bad happens. I have learned over the last year that many people in prison have been victims of crime or products of their environment. Some people just take a wrong turn regardless of their environment.

Cry me a river…

I agree. What about the victims of the crimes this ‘FM’ committed? Ever thought about what they’ve been through?

Oh Golly gosh now ..No I never thought of that…(!??) Are you kidding me? We are victims of this crime too and we think and deal with this every day, including FM. We talk about it often- FM is deeply humbled and regretful of it…to all who have become ‘victims’ because of FMs very poor decision.

Oh yeah…and the ‘education’ programs hmmmm…I believe one can obtain a certificate in such things as coffee making, laundry duties, haircutting…oh and of course limitless cognitive therapy is available…yep…so much to aspire for and prepare one for returning to society. In long bay prison you can study law.

Clearly there are many strong opinions here about what should be the course of action for the treatment of ‘criminals’ and they all seem to go in one big box. Very glad we have a legal system to guide some of the decision making.

Cry ME a river! : )

sloppery sloppery 10:54 am 19 Feb 10

Pommy bastard said :

capitolm said :

I don’t share the black and white opionions of some of you re: if you are in jail you deserve whatever bad happens. I have learned over the last year that many people in prison have been victims of crime or products of their environment. Some people just take a wrong turn regardless of their environment.

Cry me a river…

I agree. What about the victims of the crimes this ‘FM’ committed? Ever thought about what they’ve been through?

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 10:22 am 19 Feb 10

capitolm said :

I don’t share the black and white opionions of some of you re: if you are in jail you deserve whatever bad happens. I have learned over the last year that many people in prison have been victims of crime or products of their environment. Some people just take a wrong turn regardless of their environment.

Cry me a river…

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