11 December 2013

No more white Commodores

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The Deputy Prime Minister has just informed the House that Holden will be closing Australian operations by 2017.

For the many, many Canberrans who have enjoyed the antics of white Commodore drivers over the years it is a black day.

What will take its place?

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Holden Caulfield12:01 am 13 Dec 13

poetix said :

So what will be racing at Bathurst in ten years?

‘Won’t someone think of the mountain?’

V8SC is a farce. GT3 cars are where it’s at: http://bathurst12hour.com.au/

So what will be racing at Bathurst in ten years?

‘Won’t someone think of the mountain?’

minkshaman said :

You’ve never actually been on newstart have you? It’s not called “no-start” for nothing.

$501 a fortnight is next to worthless, good luck reskilling with that.
Rather than cutting the entirely inadequate dole payment, how about stopping the massive rort of the new start job agencies.
Or better yet, cut them entirely and give some sort of learning credits or something. Or provide a way for them to get free training in something that will get work.

On the current newstart payment, you barely afford food and rent, let alone CIT payments.

Bulldust! My Carer Payment is very close to that amount. And on top of my full-time carer responsibilities, I still manage to pay rent, buy food, clothe myself, run and register a car, support my children AND balance a full-time university study load. And guess what? The sky is not falling. Fancy that!

As Joe Hockey keeps asking: Where was the outrage when Mitsubishi and Ford pulled the plug ??? The gravy train is over for Holden. Go cry me a river, Blubberboy.

Most dipstick white crapadore drivers have second hand ones so they will probably continue to dominate for years until most have been destroyed during police chases.

When it comes to moron aggressive drivers the Subaru WRX seems to be increasingly popular especially as there are heaps of second hand ones now.

The Subaru Forester has taken over from the Volvo as the car of choice for people who can’t find the accelerator and like to travel way below the speed limit while remaining oblivious to the traffic chaos they cause.

The small VWs also seem to be carving out a niche as the car of choice for bad drivers, apparently preferred by those who don’t want the hoon tag of the wrx but still have failed to master even the basics of driving skills.

CraigT said :

It’s perfectly simple: instead of giving out handouts to Holden which are then used to subsidise dividend payouts for foreign “investors”, it’s the *government* that needs to be doing the investment.

We don’t need to call it “nationalisation”, because that probably won’t play very well to the right-wing looney-tunes that control every aspect of our mass media.
We can call it “research” and “job-creation schemes”.
We simply use government money to build a 21st-century car manufacturing plant. We then lease it to Holden for a nominal fee.

The building of said carplant will protect (or, more accurately, develop) Australian skills in high-tech, and the fact it was paid for by govenrment will ensure Holden’s margins allow them to continue selling Australian-built cars.

And if they ever cry poor again, instead of handouts, we offer to buy them out and run it as a government business.

In the meantime, the dole needs to be severely trimmed from its ridiculously generous current levels, and similarly the massively-rorted disability benefits needs a complete overhaul, presumably thus shedding 80% of its rorting bludger fake-disabled in the process as happened in the UK.
This should depress wages, making us more competitive.

If we’re feeling sensible, we will then also legislate to tie executive and Director pay levels to worker pay levels. The “if we can’t get decent pay, we’ll just go overseas” crowd can be invited to $#@% off and mis-manage some foreign corporations while cheap executives and directors come onboard to make these local companies even more competitive.

If I ran this country, I’d have it sorted in about 5 years. We’d get good autobahns, but we’d probably have to do away with the media and certainly have to ban all morons from voting. Have a Latin-speaking test to qualify for voting should see us right.

You’ve never actually been on newstart have you? It’s not called “no-start” for nothing.

$501 a fortnight is next to worthless, good luck reskilling with that.
Rather than cutting the entirely inadequate dole payment, how about stopping the massive rort of the new start job agencies.
Or better yet, cut them entirely and give some sort of learning credits or something. Or provide a way for them to get free training in something that will get work.

On the current newstart payment, you barely afford food and rent, let alone CIT payments.

You can’t kill a VN Commodore with a stick.

Agreed, though a stick is a bad tool to try and kill any car. Most VN drivers, however, are perfect car-killing tools.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Antagonist said :

“What will take its place?”

Hilux driving soccer mums?

I think the black Audi has already replaced the white Commodore as the major menace on the roads.

That’s funny, I don’t remember reading any police reports where the alleged offender was driving a black Audi. Seeing as this is where the white commodore joke was born I would have thought black Audi’s might have started to cop a mention if they have, as you say, replaced the white commodore as the major menace on our roads.

HiddenDragon12:07 pm 12 Dec 13

johnboy said :

Well, in all seriousness.

The country has sleep walked into a knife fight on currency depreciation. Germany is torturing southern europe to depress the euro and the brit, japanese and americans are printing money to devalue their currencies.

A high dollar in a high wage economy is death to manufactured exports but it appears we prefer cheap holidays in Bali and why wouldn’t we?

The strategic reasons to have a car industry are largely gone.

Unless we also prop up (and perhaps we should) the robotics and silicon industries, to make the whole tool chain, just bashing cars together with rubber mallets and bolting the colour coded components together does not a self-sufficient nation make.

Sleep-walking into the currency knife-fight is just the latest instance of economic naivete on the part of our leaders and their advisors – the proceeds from the mining boom have kept a gloss on it, but that gloss is wearing increasingly thin and it’s difficult to see anything other than tougher times, with constrained living standards for most.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Antagonist said :

“What will take its place?”

Hilux driving soccer mums?

I think the black Audi has already replaced the white Commodore as the major menace on the roads.

I reckon your right about Audi. Was looking for a replacement car and Audi was suggested.
Then noticed how many on the road. Bigmobs of them. Anyway got another Ford ..

CraigT said :

It’s perfectly simple: instead of giving out handouts to Holden which are then used to subsidise dividend payouts for foreign “investors”, it’s the *government* that needs to be doing the investment.

We don’t need to call it “nationalisation”, because that probably won’t play very well to the right-wing looney-tunes that control every aspect of our mass media.

+1. And fuggem – nationalise it and call a spade a spade.

Now we wait for the “government-owned car makers/airlines could never be successful” posts.

Queen_of_the_Bun6:56 am 12 Dec 13

Antagonist said :

“What will take its place?”

Hilux driving soccer mums?

I think the black Audi has already replaced the white Commodore as the major menace on the roads.

Holden Caulfield11:06 pm 11 Dec 13

Sandman said :

Spot on. It’s not just the Utes that would sell over in the US either. The Caprice would be a big seller (currently offered to law enforcement only in the US) and the brief run of Pontiac badged commodores and Monaro’s are well loved by those that have them…

No Australian car sent to the US has ever been a big seller. Whether that’s due to the product itself or GM’s marketing I’m not sure, but the sales figures for Pontiac badged Monaros weren’t anything to write home about.

gazket said :

who the hell wants a front wheel drive Impala. Not Australian’s.

Holden could of exported 100,000 VE utes to the U.S. The Yanks were screaming for them. Did they do it, no. Australians designed the new Camaro, did they release it here, no.

The governments also have a part to play as well. Free trade agreements are working well for us aren’t they. Politicians are the only people in Australia that don’t have to stand on their own two feet and feel it’s fine to watch the country’s manufacturing disappear.

After the Commodore goes GM are left with very mediocre cars . Lets take the latest new Malibu , crap name, crap car. Camry size car that chews more petrol than a Commodore. Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car , The 2002 Cruze they must of sold about 20 of those. Zafaria – just plain shite people mover. Colorado – how ugly can the front of a truck get, not much uglier than this. Barina – I hope this car lasts as long as the fridge . Lemon city

Good luck to the new boss of Holden.

Spot on. It’s not just the Utes that would sell over in the US either. The Caprice would be a big seller (currently offered to law enforcement only in the US) and the brief run of Pontiac badged commodores and Monaro’s are well loved by those that have them.
Aussie built cars are superior in every way to the Yankee ones, except for production cost. Unfortunately we let everyone else push us around and take their crappy hunks of metal, keeping our production volume down and costs high.

“What will take its place?”

Hilux driving soccer mums?

Kinda sad, coming from Elizabeth and all but then again I have owned a Holden for 20 years….so I am a part of the problem I guess. Aussies don’t want Holdens.

Well if we can’t get big locally made cars in the future, they better drop the import taxes on expensive models so people of average means have more options than small/medium sized hatchbacks.

It’s perfectly simple: instead of giving out handouts to Holden which are then used to subsidise dividend payouts for foreign “investors”, it’s the *government* that needs to be doing the investment.

We don’t need to call it “nationalisation”, because that probably won’t play very well to the right-wing looney-tunes that control every aspect of our mass media.
We can call it “research” and “job-creation schemes”.
We simply use government money to build a 21st-century car manufacturing plant. We then lease it to Holden for a nominal fee.

The building of said carplant will protect (or, more accurately, develop) Australian skills in high-tech, and the fact it was paid for by govenrment will ensure Holden’s margins allow them to continue selling Australian-built cars.

And if they ever cry poor again, instead of handouts, we offer to buy them out and run it as a government business.

In the meantime, the dole needs to be severely trimmed from its ridiculously generous current levels, and similarly the massively-rorted disability benefits needs a complete overhaul, presumably thus shedding 80% of its rorting bludger fake-disabled in the process as happened in the UK.
This should depress wages, making us more competitive.

If we’re feeling sensible, we will then also legislate to tie executive and Director pay levels to worker pay levels. The “if we can’t get decent pay, we’ll just go overseas” crowd can be invited to $#@% off and mis-manage some foreign corporations while cheap executives and directors come onboard to make these local companies even more competitive.

If I ran this country, I’d have it sorted in about 5 years. We’d get good autobahns, but we’d probably have to do away with the media and certainly have to ban all morons from voting. Have a Latin-speaking test to qualify for voting should see us right.

Deref said :

Grrrr said :

Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

I had the misfortune to drive a Chevy Impala for a significant distance in the US a few years ago. It was unspeakably awful. American cars are called “boats” not because of the way they look (though they are, in general, unspeakably ugly), but because of the way they handle.

I’m not sure that the Impala had shock absorbers but, if it did, they didn’t work. (Let me stress that this was a brand new rental car). The springs were as soft as the proverbial Catholic choir boy’s bottom, and its cornering ability was, as you’d expect, non-existent.

I’m no fan of Holdens, but the gods preserve us from Impalas.

I too have had the misfortune of driving a recent model Impala. Just terrible. If you haven’t driven a real and recent American car you can’t imagine how bad it is.

Holden Caulfield7:46 pm 11 Dec 13

Grrrr said :

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It’s already been replaced, and this is the point that seems to have been largely missed. Ford has been relying on fleet sales for the Falcon for years. Australians now mostly buy Mazda3s, Corollas, i30s or SUVs from varying manufacturers.

The market for large RWD family sedans has remained mostly due to the stubbornness of Ford and Holden trying to relive past glories.

If they were at a nightclub they’d be mutton dressed as leopard.

The only long-term hope for Holden IMO is to rebadge Opels rather than send us Chevrolets. If all we get are shitbox yank tanks they may as well do it properly and kill Holden off altogether.

gazket said :

Grrrr said :

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It will be a sedan based on one of GM’s global-platform designs, and possibly even sold as the “all-new Commodore.” Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

who the hell wants a front wheel drive Impala. Not Australian’s.

Holden could of exported 100,000 VE utes to the U.S. The Yanks were screaming for them. Did they do it, no. Australians designed the new Camaro, did they release it here, no.

The governments also have a part to play as well. Free trade agreements are working well for us aren’t they. Politicians are the only people in Australia that don’t have to stand on their own two feet and feel it’s fine to watch the country’s manufacturing disappear.

After the Commodore goes GM are left with very mediocre cars . Lets take the latest new Malibu , crap name, crap car. Camry size car that chews more petrol than a Commodore. Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car , The 2002 Cruze they must of sold about 20 of those. Zafaria – just plain shite people mover. Colorado – how ugly can the front of a truck get, not much uglier than this. Barina – I hope this car lasts as long as the fridge . Lemon city

Good luck to the new boss of Holden.

Praise Jehova (and the rest of ’em )… I am Ford .. how lucky can that be…

Queen_of_the_Bun6:56 pm 11 Dec 13

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Do you drink during the day? It was front page of the Daily Tele today, but heaven forbid, it wasn’t actually true.

gazket said :

Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car

Incorrect, they have had no more recalls than any other car.

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

If the FBT concessions for cars are supposed to be a way of propping up the local car industry, they’re an inequitable and highly inefficient way of doing so. The FBT arrangements are a rort, and I say that as someone who’s personally benefitted from the rort.

It’d be far more efficient just to give a direct subsidy for locally produced new cars if that’s the idea.

Grrrr said :

Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

I had the misfortune to drive a Chevy Impala for a significant distance in the US a few years ago. It was unspeakably awful. American cars are called “boats” not because of the way they look (though they are, in general, unspeakably ugly), but because of the way they handle.

I’m not sure that the Impala had shock absorbers but, if it did, they didn’t work. (Let me stress that this was a brand new rental car). The springs were as soft as the proverbial Catholic choir boy’s bottom, and its cornering ability was, as you’d expect, non-existent.

I’m no fan of Holdens, but the gods preserve us from Impalas.

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Only the C-1 cars.

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

Crap.

Grrrr said :

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It will be a sedan based on one of GM’s global-platform designs, and possibly even sold as the “all-new Commodore.” Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

who the hell wants a front wheel drive Impala. Not Australian’s.

Holden could of exported 100,000 VE utes to the U.S. The Yanks were screaming for them. Did they do it, no. Australians designed the new Camaro, did they release it here, no.

The governments also have a part to play as well. Free trade agreements are working well for us aren’t they. Politicians are the only people in Australia that don’t have to stand on their own two feet and feel it’s fine to watch the country’s manufacturing disappear.

After the Commodore goes GM are left with very mediocre cars . Lets take the latest new Malibu , crap name, crap car. Camry size car that chews more petrol than a Commodore. Craptiva and Cruize had more recalls than any other car , The 2002 Cruze they must of sold about 20 of those. Zafaria – just plain shite people mover. Colorado – how ugly can the front of a truck get, not much uglier than this. Barina – I hope this car lasts as long as the fridge . Lemon city

Good luck to the new boss of Holden.

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Holden declined to tender for replacing the current fleet. (ABC radio news) And:

http://www.news.com.au/national/bombproof-bmws-will-replace-the-prime-ministers-holden-fleet-of-limousines/story-fncynjr2-1226780185117

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

Because Holden didn’t put in a bid for tender (as reported on the radio this afternoon…..)

pierce said :

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

A bloke a few years ago went for german built

” The Commonwealth car service reflected the break with the past after Whitlam chose
to dispose of the black Bentley C*1, acquired in 1963, that had
served his predecessors, and chose instead to use a white
Mercedes Benz 450 SEL, one of three acquired at the time.”

What will take its place?

Clean energy jobs of the future.

Can’t remember or find where but I’m sure I read recently that Abbott and co have already decided to change the comcar fleet to BMWs

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

Lol.

PantsMan said :

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

“It’s the Carbon Tax.” Wrong:

http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/12/tony-abbott/tony-abbott-says-carbon-tax-adds-400-cost-cars-mad/

“It’s FBT changes.” Wrong – they never happened in the end.

Meanwhile, as Johnboy points out, the Australian dollar went up 91% from 2002 to 2012. In global markets this made goods (e.g. cars) 91% more expensive to produce in Australia.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinion PantsMan.

The place of the Australian-made Holden Commodore large sedan will be taken by another, not so different imported Holden Commodore.

It will be a sedan based on one of GM’s global-platform designs, and possibly even sold as the “all-new Commodore.” Maybe they’ll rebadge whatever they come up with for the 2017 Chevy Impala.

Great result from the carbon tax, and FBT changes (that never even made it to the statute book, but wrecked nonetheless.)

Great work Treasury!

manufacturing != operations

wow .. big repercussions. Not totally unexpected, but still. Toyata next I suppose.

I’ve been struggling to work out where I stand with this issue.

I’m inclined to agree with this article: http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/12/the-case-for-keeping-the-car-industry/

Does anybody have a good link to the counter argument?

Well, in all seriousness.

The country has sleep walked into a knife fight on currency depreciation. Germany is torturing southern europe to depress the euro and the brit, japanese and americans are printing money to devalue their currencies.

A high dollar in a high wage economy is death to manufactured exports but it appears we prefer cheap holidays in Bali and why wouldn’t we?

The strategic reasons to have a car industry are largely gone.

Unless we also prop up (and perhaps we should) the robotics and silicon industries, to make the whole tool chain, just bashing cars together with rubber mallets and bolting the colour coded components together does not a self-sufficient nation make.

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