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No noise please, we’re Canberran

By joeyjojojuniorshabadoo 17 January 2012 91

Today’s Crimes has it that Summernats, Stonefest and Groovin’ in the Moo copped multiple EPA fines for noise pollution between 2007 and 2011.

Interestingly, the authority warned the Chief Minister’s Department for exceeding noise levels for the 2007 Australia Day Live event, however no further action was taken.

This is why we can’t have exciting things.

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DrKoresh 9:38 pm 18 Jan 12

Skyring said :

Bzzzt. Wrong!
You should read what is being written. I’m talking about the residents of Watson who were moved to complain about the noise, the smoke etc. in terms emphasising suffering, misery, unhappiness and so on.

Some Watson residents love Summernats. I seem to recall Chic Henry living there at one stage.

But my concern is with the people who are suffering, not those who would like to see it a year-round event.

Skyring, just because you read a letter or two in the opinion section of the paper, where an individual or individuals (who obviously are very emotional about the subject) use ridiculous hyperbole to describe what the ‘Nats is like for them, doesn’t make it official. The opinion section is filled with as many empty blowhards with overly strong opinions as we are here at RiotACT, and you can’t use their testimony as evidence.

chilli 9:19 pm 18 Jan 12

EvanJames said :

chilli said :

I live a couple of streets back from Northborne and yes, the noise increases a bit during Summernats, but I quite like it. There are worse things in the world than the throb of a supercharged V8, or having a car do a few donuts at the end of your street once a year.

It may not be your idea of fun, but it is for a lot of other people – harmless fun too, for the most part.

Live and let live.

Yes, but if the “fun” of some people impacts severely on the lives of others, “live and let live” doesn’t apply. It seems that people calling for Freedom and Tolerance from other people are always intent on foisting their noise or other undesirable effects on other people, but don’t recognise that other people should be free from their noise, or expect tolerance for their desire for quiet.

No one has the right to blast other people with noise and anti-social behaviour.

I admit that I may upset people occasionally when I turn up Radio National too loudly when hooning down Northborne at 60kms in my Honda Jazz; but I expect them to take that on the chin if I am prepared to put up with their fobiles that impact on me occasionally. That’s live and let live.

KB1971 5:01 pm 18 Jan 12

powerpuffpete said :

And just to re-iterate my point that an outcome resulting from a complaint does not have to be all or nothing:

Residents in Sydney have complained about plane noise in the past. Subsequently they change the flight paths so that residents from different parts of Sydney hear it every so often, rather than one area hearing it every time.
This means that my parents now get some noise that they didn’t have before. But they don’t really mind because it doesn’t greatly affect their well-being in any way.

I always wondered why the residents of Mascot used to whinge so much about the airport. Have you ever stood on a street in Mascot? The quietest thing in the area is the airport.

Skyring 4:52 pm 18 Jan 12

powerpuffpete said :

Sky: your repetitive message consistently implies that the interests of those who complain (in this case let’s assume Watson residents) always outweighs the interests of others. Because if the outcome does not favour those residents, you claim that we are dismissing those concerns. This is simply untrue.

Not quite. Your *inference* is incorrect. I’m not saying that the interests of one part of the community outweigh the interests of another part. Not at all.

What I’m saying is that the suffering and unhappiness of a part of the community is something that should be of concern to all. For twenty-five years we have been hearing the same complaints about the noise, the smoke, the pollution and the behaviour associated with Summernats. As a night cabbie working the Summernats rank and spending a lot of time on the Northside, I’m not inclined to disregard these people. I know what goes on and I can understand how those living closest would have legitimate complaint. It goes well beyond “a little bit of noise”.

As a community, we concern ourselves with the suffering of others. We have charities to help the needy, we provide public housing for the homeless, hospitals for the sick and so on.

I can’t see that the genuine pleasure and enjoyment provided to some people by Summernats can be used as any sort of balance to genuine suffering. If the thing can be arranged without making anybody unhappy, fine. On those lines I note that the behaviour issues outside the venue have been largely addressed. The heavy police presence goes a long way there and I commend the law enforcement community on their efforts. There’s still a few clowns, but there’s always clowns and yobbos in Canberra and Watson is certainly not exempt from providing its own native examples any time of the year.

The noise can be addressed by enforcing reasonable limits and times – the same that apply to other events such as concerts. The burnout competition should be canned entirely, or moved to a distant venue. Look at all the hoo-hah we had over the fire in Mitchell a few months back and yet we find the same sort of toxic pollution being encouraged at Summernats.

The answer to misery and suffering and unhappiness is not to make light of it or ignore it. That’s just callous and unfeeling and I like to think that we are above that.

Skyring 4:21 pm 18 Jan 12

powerpuffpete said :

Residents in Sydney have complained about plane noise in the past. Subsequently they change the flight paths so that residents from different parts of Sydney hear it every so often, rather than one area hearing it every time.

I remember when Anthony Albanese, back in the days when the third runway was being built, proposed to spread the noise pain around fairly and equally by flying the VIP transports around Sydney at low level.

powerpuffpete 3:03 pm 18 Jan 12

Skyring said :

Dork said :

Also mentioned on there is that Watson residents are annoyed with the noise because of Canberra airport.

Let’s get rid of all the planes!

I think you’ll find that they only complain about those planes which fly over or near Watson, specifically those departing the airport to the north and turning left too early. The nearest North Canberra residences to the flightpath are about two kilometres away – Hackett along McKenzie Street – and shielded by the Mount Majura ridgeline.

Provided the planes stay on the direct line, they aren’t much of a problem, but when they peel off too soon, for example to head towards Perth or Adelaide or Melbourne rather than continue northwards away from their destinations, then you get aircraft noise.

I think it’s a valid complaint and the best way to address it is to require that planes don’t leave the northwards flight path until they are clear of residential areas.

And just to re-iterate my point that an outcome resulting from a complaint does not have to be all or nothing:

Residents in Sydney have complained about plane noise in the past. Subsequently they change the flight paths so that residents from different parts of Sydney hear it every so often, rather than one area hearing it every time.
This means that my parents now get some noise that they didn’t have before. But they don’t really mind because it doesn’t greatly affect their well-being in any way.

powerpuffpete 2:54 pm 18 Jan 12

+ 1 Dork

That’s exactly the point I was trying to make earlier about enjoying live events.

Sky: your repetitive message consistently implies that the interests of those who complain (in this case let’s assume Watson residents) always outweighs the interests of others. Because if the outcome does not favour those residents, you claim that we are dismissing those concerns. This is simply untrue.
I enjoy live events. That’s my selfish interest (just like an absence of noise is others’ selfish interest). If noise complaints reduce my access to those events then I could just as easily claim that I am “suffering”.
The difference, however, is that I cannot complain to anyone once those events are gone.
The process to re-introduce events or even venues (dare I open the Toast topic again?) is a lot more cumbersome than trying to reduce noise levels, surely.

Skyring 2:08 pm 18 Jan 12

HenryBG said :

…a bit of engine noise…

Just a bit of distant engine noise, folks. Nobody could possibly mind it, or the gentle mist of tyre smoke…

HenryBG 1:54 pm 18 Jan 12

EvanJames said :

Yes, but if the “fun” of some people impacts severely on the lives of others, “live and let live” doesn’t apply.

“impacts severely”?

Well, a bit of engine noise does no such thing, or half od Sydney would have to be evacuated. The real problem that you and Skyring are having swo much trouble in correctly identifying is that there are some severely neurotic people who get a bee in their bonnet about minor issues and work themselves up into a lather of hysterical complaint.

Maybe they should talk to their GP about their issues instead of trying to make their neuroses *impact severely* on others’ ability to have a bit of fun?

KB1971 1:22 pm 18 Jan 12

Skyring said :

Um, not so, nowhere have you talked about a minority of Watson residents but have used general tems.

I’ve just checked, and this turns out not to be the case. But I’m always happy – as above – to clarify the misunderstandings of those who are hasty or illiterate or backwards in their comprehension.

What you have written & what you are thinking ar obviously two different things. Reading between the lines is not my thing, if you have something to say, say it. You wonder why people are disputing your claims & then you have the gall to insult them (me)?

On that note, feel better with the insults? Makes it better to get your point across?

You have just made yourself look petty, not superior.

Please add some facts to your claims as your taglines are not working for you.

Skyring 12:31 pm 18 Jan 12

Dork said :

Also mentioned on there is that Watson residents are annoyed with the noise because of Canberra airport.

Let’s get rid of all the planes!

I think you’ll find that they only complain about those planes which fly over or near Watson, specifically those departing the airport to the north and turning left too early. The nearest North Canberra residences to the flightpath are about two kilometres away – Hackett along McKenzie Street – and shielded by the Mount Majura ridgeline.

Provided the planes stay on the direct line, they aren’t much of a problem, but when they peel off too soon, for example to head towards Perth or Adelaide or Melbourne rather than continue northwards away from their destinations, then you get aircraft noise.

I think it’s a valid complaint and the best way to address it is to require that planes don’t leave the northwards flight path until they are clear of residential areas.

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