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“No such thing as GIVING someone a trailer in the ACT”

By Threeletteracronym 15 January 2014 44

Just want to sanity check something, please, before I go on and kick up a stink with our friends at Canberra Connect. My mum has given me her trailer. It’s a standard small trailer, from 1978. It probably needs a new floor.  Currently, it’s registered in Victoria.

When I rang to ask about the process for transferring the rego, I was told that I would need to bring the purchase receipt with me. I noted there was no receipt as I hadn’t purchased it. No money has changed hands.

The person I spoke with insisted (quite rudely) that there is “no such thing as giving someone a trailer in the ACT”, and that duty must be paid.

Forgive my ignorance and lack of research, but this seems weird to me. Why is the government asking me to lie in official documents in order to collect probably $18 (at most) in duty?

 


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KB1971 7:55 pm 22 Jan 14

PantsMan said :

Maybe here http://rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regomoveunreg.htm, where it says:
“NO, UNLESS CURRENT ROAD WORTHY INSPECTION REPORT IS PRESENTED. INTERSTATE INSPECTION REPORTS WILL BE ACCEPTED IN THIS SCENARIO.

Oh, and here is says that I don’t need registration at all if it’s only being moved to the purpose of obtaining registration: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/act/consol_reg/rtrr2000478/s22.html Must have CTP, however, but the ACT Government will only provide you that (for an exorbitant fee) if you buy the entirely redundant UVP too. Then they tell you that what you purchases in not a CTP policy; you just paid a tax to them.

Money for nothing to the ACT Government, yay!

OK, I will concede on the inspection certificate. There has obviously been a change in policy and I missed it. The only time they would accept an interstate inspection when I worked there was when a car was new or near new being purchased interstate. You could by prior arrangement purchase 3 months of registration, take the plates with you and have a registered car. It then had to be inspected at Dickson to confirm what the vehicle was and that it was roadworthy. Or if it was a heavy vehicle working outside the ACT temporarily and it could not get back for its bi-annual inspection.

BUT, despite what they say on the website, I would say that this is not actually set in the Act or the Regs. Acts and Regs (in particular Acts) tend not to be so descriptive in circumstance. What they say on the webpage may only be something they do out of courtesy and they can refuse if its not set in the regulations. There are quite a few government departments who run circulars to administer regulations.

On the UVP, despite what you were “told” it is CTP, it is stated quite clearly that it is. They are not really interested in the registration component because the law says that a vehicle must have CTP to be permitted to drive on the road. By issuing a UVP they are supplying what they legally have to.

Was your vehicle still currently covered by CTP? As it says in the info and section 4 of Reg 22, to be able to drive without “registration provisions” it must still be covered by CTP. No CTP, no driving without a UVP.

You think its revenue raising and money for nothing? How would you go if you had an accident and injured someone? What then?

$22 is cheap insurance and is never meant to be compared to yearly registration.

zorro29 12:24 pm 22 Jan 14

^^^ hehehe, well they /know/ how much you enjoy queuing…we should thank them for allowing us to do so without achieving our goals!

dtc 12:21 pm 22 Jan 14

Rollersk8r said :

Bought a car and wrote my name and my wife’s name as the registered drivers on the form. She forgot to sign the form before I took it in – and so I thought it doesn’t matter, will just cross her name out and I’ll be the only one registered. No! Can’t do that! Once someone’s name is on the form they HAVE TO sign it, no exceptions – go away and come back another day.

I know, its awful when they dont allow you to just change a legal document without the permission of the other people in the document.

You realise that removing her from the form meant that she was being deprived of her share of the asset – you were taking 1/2 the value of the car away from her? Would you try to do that on your next house transfer?

Rollersk8r 11:04 am 22 Jan 14

zorro29 said :

Totally agree with you buddy.

Here’s another nonsense (aka revenue-raising example):
My partner sold his car and we are now sharing a car…so I wanted to have the car in both our names. My name would stay on the rego, just wanted to add his. I was told that was essentially a sale and he would have to pay duty on that…when the car was still worth $40k, there was no way I was coming at that.

Nonsense. Agree with the above….would be interesting to see what would happen with the scenario in #1 and a negative amount.

It just annoys me that they make it so hard/punish people doing the right thing…and we wonder why all the bogans never register anything or bother paying fines. Maybe we’re the crazy ones.

I can beat that.

Bought a car and wrote my name and my wife’s name as the registered drivers on the form. She forgot to sign the form before I took it in – and so I thought it doesn’t matter, will just cross her name out and I’ll be the only one registered. No! Can’t do that! Once someone’s name is on the form they HAVE TO sign it, no exceptions – go away and come back another day.

PantsMan 9:40 am 22 Jan 14

KB1971 said :

On number one, where does it say here: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regotransferr.htm or here: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/licensing/licencemoveact.htm that they will accept an interstate registration inspection slip? It quite clearly says that you need an inspection at Dickson or at an authorized ACT examiner. It has always been like this.

Number 2 & 3: Here: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regomoveunreg.htm it quite clearly states that a UVP provides TPI. It has always been like this.

Oh and you cant drive to the nearest rego station in the ACT unregistered, that is a NSW rule that I was answering a question which was previously asked. It has always been like this.

Now, you have just proven that you didn’t do any research before you went and really need to do better next time.

Maybe here http://rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regomoveunreg.htm, where it says:
“NO, UNLESS CURRENT ROAD WORTHY INSPECTION REPORT IS PRESENTED. INTERSTATE INSPECTION REPORTS WILL BE ACCEPTED IN THIS SCENARIO.

Oh, and here is says that I don’t need registration at all if it’s only being moved to the purpose of obtaining registration: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/act/consol_reg/rtrr2000478/s22.html Must have CTP, however, but the ACT Government will only provide you that (for an exorbitant fee) if you buy the entirely redundant UVP too. Then they tell you that what you purchases in not a CTP policy; you just paid a tax to them.

Money for nothing to the ACT Government, yay!

KB1971 8:07 pm 20 Jan 14

PantsMan said :

1. In facts, I was whinging about them not accepting a NSW inspection report and refusing to give me a weekly permit and forcing me to pay $40+ 12 hour permit (totally contrary to what they say on their website). Short of taking legal action against these pricks, you basically have to cop their arbitrary actions and extortion of money. This is despite the Human Rights Act 2004 and all the Labor Mates that they have employed in the human rights industry.
2. While you can drive the most direct route to nearest inspection station without an Unregistered Vehicle Permit (UVP), it is still an offence to drive without third pay insurance. The ACT Government is the only provider of insurance in this context, and they refuse to provide insurance on its own, therefore you have to get the UVP and the insurance together.
3. I have been formally advised that the ‘insurance’ is not, in fact, insurance and it is merely a fee payable to the ACT Government to offset the risk to it. The annualised rate they charge is $14,000+, so they are obviously pretty bad at managing risk.
4. You are correct. I could purchase 4 permits at a cost of over $200 for one month’s driving. I do not want to pay the ACT Government $200 in return for close to nothing.
5. You are also correct that I could choose not own a car and either ride on bikeways or catch the worst public transport system in Australia. These outcomes would reflect a triumph for the ACT’s “deindustrialise of the western world and introduce socialism under the guise of climate change” agenda.

On number one, where does it say here: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regotransferr.htm or here: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/licensing/licencemoveact.htm that they will accept an interstate registration inspection slip? It quite clearly says that you need an inspection at Dickson or at an authorized ACT examiner. It has always been like this.

Number 2 & 3: Here: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regomoveunreg.htm it quite clearly states that a UVP provides TPI. It has always been like this.

Oh and you cant drive to the nearest rego station in the ACT unregistered, that is a NSW rule that I was answering a question which was previously asked. It has always been like this.

Now, you have just proven that you didn’t do any research before you went and really need to do better next time.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 12:07 pm 20 Jan 14

PantsMan said :

KB1971 said :

Yep, but Pants Man was whinging about having to get a weekly permit with the NSW registration certificate.

The rule is to drive to the place of inspection and back again to get an inspection done….by the most direct route.

In the ACT you need a permit no matter what and despite what he alleges he was told it is for third party insurance. Once you have a certificate that is either passed or has minor things that need to be repaired he can then go and get a 1 week permit to drive the car wherever he wants in the ACT. He can get 4 of these.

You cant do that in NSW.

To be honest, the system here in the ACT is pretty good, people like Pants Man just need to take a pill and try to understand rather than carrying on like a 2 year old that has had his lollipop taken from him.

It has always cost money to own a car, if you don’t like it don’t own one.

1. In facts, I was whinging about them not accepting a NSW inspection report and refusing to give me a weekly permit and forcing me to pay $40+ 12 hour permit (totally contrary to what they say on their website). Short of taking legal action against these pricks, you basically have to cop their arbitrary actions and extortion of money. This is despite the Human Rights Act 2004 and all the Labor Mates that they have employed in the human rights industry.
2. While you can drive the most direct route to nearest inspection station without an Unregistered Vehicle Permit (UVP), it is still an offence to drive without third pay insurance. The ACT Government is the only provider of insurance in this context, and they refuse to provide insurance on its own, therefore you have to get the UVP and the insurance together.
3. I have been formally advised that the ‘insurance’ is not, in fact, insurance and it is merely a fee payable to the ACT Government to offset the risk to it. The annualised rate they charge is $14,000+, so they are obviously pretty bad at managing risk.
4. You are correct. I could purchase 4 permits at a cost of over $200 for one month’s driving. I do not want to pay the ACT Government $200 in return for close to nothing.
5. You are also correct that I could choose not own a car and either ride on bikeways or catch the worst public transport system in Australia. These outcomes would reflect a triumph for the ACT’s “deindustrialise of the western world and introduce socialism under the guise of climate change” agenda.

Tell me about this socialist green agenda plz

PantsMan 9:45 am 20 Jan 14

KB1971 said :

Yep, but Pants Man was whinging about having to get a weekly permit with the NSW registration certificate.

The rule is to drive to the place of inspection and back again to get an inspection done….by the most direct route.

In the ACT you need a permit no matter what and despite what he alleges he was told it is for third party insurance. Once you have a certificate that is either passed or has minor things that need to be repaired he can then go and get a 1 week permit to drive the car wherever he wants in the ACT. He can get 4 of these.

You cant do that in NSW.

To be honest, the system here in the ACT is pretty good, people like Pants Man just need to take a pill and try to understand rather than carrying on like a 2 year old that has had his lollipop taken from him.

It has always cost money to own a car, if you don’t like it don’t own one.

1. In facts, I was whinging about them not accepting a NSW inspection report and refusing to give me a weekly permit and forcing me to pay $40+ 12 hour permit (totally contrary to what they say on their website). Short of taking legal action against these pricks, you basically have to cop their arbitrary actions and extortion of money. This is despite the Human Rights Act 2004 and all the Labor Mates that they have employed in the human rights industry.
2. While you can drive the most direct route to nearest inspection station without an Unregistered Vehicle Permit (UVP), it is still an offence to drive without third pay insurance. The ACT Government is the only provider of insurance in this context, and they refuse to provide insurance on its own, therefore you have to get the UVP and the insurance together.
3. I have been formally advised that the ‘insurance’ is not, in fact, insurance and it is merely a fee payable to the ACT Government to offset the risk to it. The annualised rate they charge is $14,000+, so they are obviously pretty bad at managing risk.
4. You are correct. I could purchase 4 permits at a cost of over $200 for one month’s driving. I do not want to pay the ACT Government $200 in return for close to nothing.
5. You are also correct that I could choose not own a car and either ride on bikeways or catch the worst public transport system in Australia. These outcomes would reflect a triumph for the ACT’s “deindustrialise of the western world and introduce socialism under the guise of climate change” agenda.

KB1971 9:53 pm 19 Jan 14

Pork Hunt said :

KB1971 said :

PantsMan said :

I agree this is just total crap from the entity somewhat strangely referred to as “Road User Services”.

I recently purchased a second hand car with a valid NSW rego inspection. All said and done, all the fees and taxes ended up costing me about $1,000.

On the website they said “We will give you a one week Unregistered Vehicle Permit if you have an interstate inspection report”. Applied for that, and got the “Sorry, computer says no” answer . Got to spend extra money getting two permits! Fun!

Then they charged me $21 for 12 hours of “third party insurance”, which works out at $14,000 per year. When pressed, they said “It’s not actually insurance, it just a fee payable to the ACT.” I presume they talk about user pays and all that, but then just make up random fees because they known can just extort it from you in the end.

On car transfers, there is even a $48 (or something) fee to facilitate the payment of the tax. Is this India? Why am I paying a fee (bribe) to pay a my tax?

ACT Government = total pricks.

Or you could try that in NSW where they won’t give you a permit for a week to use the vehicle as you please. For up to a month even in case you can’t get your s### together and have that $1000 crap box fixed in time.
You are right, they are a bunch of pricks……

Happy to be corrected on this, but in NSW one can drive ones unreg vehicle to a place of inspection or the rego office sans permit.

Yep, but Pants Man was whinging about having to get a weekly permit with the NSW registration certificate.

The rule is to drive to the place of inspection and back again to get an inspection done….by the most direct route.

In the ACT you need a permit no matter what and despite what he alleges he was told it is for third party insurance. Once you have a certificate that is either passed or has minor things that need to be repaired he can then go and get a 1 week permit to drive the car wherever he wants in the ACT. He can get 4 of these.

You cant do that in NSW.

To be honest, the system here in the ACT is pretty good, people like Pants Man just need to take a pill and try to understand rather than carrying on like a 2 year old that has had his lollipop taken from him.

It has always cost money to own a car, if you don’t like it don’t own one.

Pork Hunt 6:00 pm 19 Jan 14

KB1971 said :

PantsMan said :

I agree this is just total crap from the entity somewhat strangely referred to as “Road User Services”.

I recently purchased a second hand car with a valid NSW rego inspection. All said and done, all the fees and taxes ended up costing me about $1,000.

On the website they said “We will give you a one week Unregistered Vehicle Permit if you have an interstate inspection report”. Applied for that, and got the “Sorry, computer says no” answer . Got to spend extra money getting two permits! Fun!

Then they charged me $21 for 12 hours of “third party insurance”, which works out at $14,000 per year. When pressed, they said “It’s not actually insurance, it just a fee payable to the ACT.” I presume they talk about user pays and all that, but then just make up random fees because they known can just extort it from you in the end.

On car transfers, there is even a $48 (or something) fee to facilitate the payment of the tax. Is this India? Why am I paying a fee (bribe) to pay a my tax?

ACT Government = total pricks.

Or you could try that in NSW where they won’t give you a permit for a week to use the vehicle as you please. For up to a month even in case you can’t get your s### together and have that $1000 crap box fixed in time.
You are right, they are a bunch of pricks……

Happy to be corrected on this, but in NSW one can drive ones unreg vehicle to a place of inspection or the rego office sans permit.

Antagonist 3:54 pm 19 Jan 14

It is 3%. Just put down a value of $50 and pay up the $1.50. Pay them in 5c coins if you really want to be difficult about it.

So how much in salary would it cost to collect this lousy $1.50, I wonder?

melon1234 2:44 pm 19 Jan 14

Elf said :

This is to stop you stealing a trailer and having it registered in your name and therefore legally yours. Think about it, I steal this trailer off you and register in my name by simply saying my mum gave it to me!

Not really. You’ll still need some evidence of the transfer occurring, the issue is more with paying duties on a gift.

Sandman said :

Oh no! The government requires me to do exactly the same thing as they require everyone else to do and it’s not fair!

My issue is that other States and Territories take this into consideration. QLD, for example, allows a family exemption on stamp duty if the vehicle has been gifted and they fit into the ‘family’ category (spouse, parents, grandparents, children, mix of spouse’s parents/grandparents/children – oddly though, siblings aren’t counted as family..). Why does the ACT think a similar exemption isn’t appropriate here?

maxblues 1:56 pm 19 Jan 14

gazket said :

tell them you paid $100 it will cost you $3 in stamp duty for lying. They need the $3 to water the trees.

No, they need the money to chop down the trees to make room for the tramline. Will you be able to hook up your trailer to the back of the tram?

KB1971 11:58 am 19 Jan 14

PantsMan said :

I agree this is just total crap from the entity somewhat strangely referred to as “Road User Services”.

I recently purchased a second hand car with a valid NSW rego inspection. All said and done, all the fees and taxes ended up costing me about $1,000.

On the website they said “We will give you a one week Unregistered Vehicle Permit if you have an interstate inspection report”. Applied for that, and got the “Sorry, computer says no” answer . Got to spend extra money getting two permits! Fun!

Then they charged me $21 for 12 hours of “third party insurance”, which works out at $14,000 per year. When pressed, they said “It’s not actually insurance, it just a fee payable to the ACT.” I presume they talk about user pays and all that, but then just make up random fees because they known can just extort it from you in the end.

On car transfers, there is even a $48 (or something) fee to facilitate the payment of the tax. Is this India? Why am I paying a fee (bribe) to pay a my tax?

ACT Government = total pricks.

Or you could try that in NSW where they won’t give you a permit for a week to use the vehicle as you please. For up to a month even in case you can’t get your s### together and have that $1000 crap box fixed in time.
You are right, they are a bunch of pricks……

PantsMan 9:10 am 19 Jan 14

I agree this is just total crap from the entity somewhat strangely referred to as “Road User Services”.

I recently purchased a second hand car with a valid NSW rego inspection. All said and done, all the fees and taxes ended up costing me about $1,000.

On the website they said “We will give you a one week Unregistered Vehicle Permit if you have an interstate inspection report”. Applied for that, and got the “Sorry, computer says no” answer . Got to spend extra money getting two permits! Fun!

Then they charged me $21 for 12 hours of “third party insurance”, which works out at $14,000 per year. When pressed, they said “It’s not actually insurance, it just a fee payable to the ACT.” I presume they talk about user pays and all that, but then just make up random fees because they known can just extort it from you in the end.

On car transfers, there is even a $48 (or something) fee to facilitate the payment of the tax. Is this India? Why am I paying a fee (bribe) to pay a my tax?

ACT Government = total pricks.

Felix the Cat 6:20 am 19 Jan 14

Elf said :

This is to stop you stealing a trailer and having it registered in your name and therefore legally yours. Think about it, I steal this trailer off you and register in my name by simply saying my mum gave it to me!

Do trailers have serial/chassis numbers? If so the rego staff couldsurely punch this number into the computer and it would come up with details of current owner, say Mary Bloggs and then you whip out your ID showing you are John Bloggs and so “my mum gave it to me” story is pretty much confirmed.

It seems to me the duty is just a revenue raiser.

Mordd 4:50 am 19 Jan 14

gooterz said :

Mordd said :

When my mum gave me her old car, I had her write me out a proper receipt (on some random printer paper) and list the sale price as zero dollars on the receipt. I took that to Canberra Connect and they had no issue at all transferring the rego to my name with that receipt for $0.00 – go figure

Technically a gift because there was no consideration.

So what’s the issue with the trailer then? The title clearly says “giving” someone a trailer, not selling someone a trailer, so can’t the person just do the same, and make a receipt for zero dollars and use that? I’m confused…

gooterz 12:15 am 19 Jan 14

Mordd said :

When my mum gave me her old car, I had her write me out a proper receipt (on some random printer paper) and list the sale price as zero dollars on the receipt. I took that to Canberra Connect and they had no issue at all transferring the rego to my name with that receipt for $0.00 – go figure

Technically a gift because there was no consideration.

Mordd 11:11 pm 18 Jan 14

When my mum gave me her old car, I had her write me out a proper receipt (on some random printer paper) and list the sale price as zero dollars on the receipt. I took that to Canberra Connect and they had no issue at all transferring the rego to my name with that receipt for $0.00 – go figure

Sandman 8:03 pm 18 Jan 14

Additionally, you’ll also need a roadworthy inspection. If it needs a new floor then the angst you’ve encountered so far will pale in comparison with what’s to come.

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