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Not guilty of murder by reason of mental illness

By IrishPete - 23 August 2013 45

If you want an insight into why ACT courts are so slow, and also therefore expensive, have a read of this.

Mr Aranyi killed his mother, he was mentally ill at the time, but it takes the finest legal minds in the ACT 16 months to come to that conclusion.

The Judge’s torturous reasoning for his decision also seems to demonstrate some very poor law-making.

Apparently there is no room in the ACT’s criminal justice system for accepting the patently obvious, and quickly.

It also seems Mr Aranyi has been sitting in prison since his arrest, and may yet stay in prison for some time.

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Not guilty of murder by reason of mental illness
bundah 10:47 pm 24 Aug 13

IrishPete said :

bundah said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

He’ll probably spend a little while in a mental health facility and then they’ll let him out. Mind you Glen Porritt stabbed his mum to death in 2005 and Tezza Higgins gave him a 5 year sentence and he was released after 22 months. What’s more he wasn’t legally mentally impaired at the time he stabbed her to death. Tezza could have applied the maximum, at the time, ie. 20 years for manslaughter but the incontrovertible fact, as is evident by the sentencing norms, is that life is cheap in this country. Yes there are some exceptions where life means life but they are far and few between.

Not at all sure of the relevance of the Porritt case here, given you even say that he wasn’t mentally ill at the time of the offence. Anyway, Mr Porritt was released after spending 22 months on remand n custody. Do you know that he is not now in a psychiatric hospital? As per the Aranyi case, once it leaves the court system, you do not ever hear of them again.

IP

I would be interested to know what actually happens to the mentally impaired who have killed others. I’ve attempted to extract info online but haven’t been able to find any stats which reveals their fate. Do you have any idea?

IrishPete 10:42 pm 24 Aug 13

bundah said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

He’ll probably spend a little while in a mental health facility and then they’ll let him out. Mind you Glen Porritt stabbed his mum to death in 2005 and Tezza Higgins gave him a 5 year sentence and he was released after 22 months. What’s more he wasn’t legally mentally impaired at the time he stabbed her to death. Tezza could have applied the maximum, at the time, ie. 20 years for manslaughter but the incontrovertible fact, as is evident by the sentencing norms, is that life is cheap in this country. Yes there are some exceptions where life means life but they are far and few between.

Not at all sure of the relevance of the Porritt case here, given you even say that he wasn’t mentally ill at the time of the offence. Anyway, Mr Porritt was released after spending 22 months on remand n custody. Do you know that he is not now in a psychiatric hospital? As per the Aranyi case, once it leaves the court system, you do not ever hear of them again.

IP

IrishPete 10:33 pm 24 Aug 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

Dr Koresh – please don’t feed the trolls.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd is obviously just trying to wind people up.

It is not possible to be as ill-informed as CNG is pretending to be.

IP

So ip, you condone the choking to death of ones mother as long as the choker is mentally ill?

No one is condoning anything. What part of mentally ill don’t you get? The dude thought his mum was the devil so he knocked her off. No one is saying he should be free to walk the streets ffs.

Ok, I’m glad we agree.

no-one is agreeing with you.

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 9:41 pm 24 Aug 13

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

Dr Koresh – please don’t feed the trolls.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd is obviously just trying to wind people up.

It is not possible to be as ill-informed as CNG is pretending to be.

IP

So ip, you condone the choking to death of ones mother as long as the choker is mentally ill?

No one is condoning anything. What part of mentally ill don’t you get? The dude thought his mum was the devil so he knocked her off. No one is saying he should be free to walk the streets ffs.

Ok, I’m glad we agree.

Pork Hunt 8:57 pm 24 Aug 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

Dr Koresh – please don’t feed the trolls.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd is obviously just trying to wind people up.

It is not possible to be as ill-informed as CNG is pretending to be.

IP

So ip, you condone the choking to death of ones mother as long as the choker is mentally ill?

No one is condoning anything. What part of mentally ill don’t you get? The dude thought his mum was the devil so he knocked her off. No one is saying he should be free to walk the streets ffs.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:35 pm 24 Aug 13

IrishPete said :

Dr Koresh – please don’t feed the trolls.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd is obviously just trying to wind people up.

It is not possible to be as ill-informed as CNG is pretending to be.

IP

So ip, you condone the choking to death of ones mother as long as the choker is mentally ill?

IrishPete 5:53 pm 24 Aug 13

Dr Koresh – please don’t feed the trolls.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd is obviously just trying to wind people up.

It is not possible to be as ill-informed as CNG is pretending to be.

IP

bundah 4:00 pm 24 Aug 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

He’ll probably spend a little while in a mental health facility and then they’ll let him out. Mind you Glen Porritt stabbed his mum to death in 2005 and Tezza Higgins gave him a 5 year sentence and he was released after 22 months. What’s more he wasn’t legally mentally impaired at the time he stabbed her to death. Tezza could have applied the maximum, at the time, ie. 20 years for manslaughter but the incontrovertible fact, as is evident by the sentencing norms, is that life is cheap in this country. Yes there are some exceptions where life means life but they are far and few between.

Pork Hunt 3:55 pm 24 Aug 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

So by that you mean that he should be given the treatment he needs in a secure psychiatric facility?

BimboGeek 3:50 pm 24 Aug 13

Well we’ve continued to f**k up the way that we treat the dangerously (and simply uncomfortably) mentally ill.

We can’t put them in prison because they don’t get any treatment and all the less-disturbed prisoners pick on them, sometimes quite violently.

We can’t put them in hospitals because the system was abused, hospitals were declaring people criminally insane and doping them up and patients were getting abused.

Care in the community isn’t working because the mentally ill are more often than not abandoned in the community. Their family gets fed up with their s**t and stop even talking to them, let alone checking up on them and making sure they aren’t hurting anyone, because the family don’t feel safe or comfortable going over there. The various social services are full of lovely carers but they can only achieve so much on their meager budgets.

So what idea do you geniuses have for dealing with people who are legally insane? Or for people who are mentally disturbed and likely to commit crimes but don’t meet the definition of insanity?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 2:54 pm 24 Aug 13

DrKoresh said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

I wish I lived in your world, everything would be so simple.

It is pretty simple. Do not strangle somebody to death.

DrKoresh 2:29 pm 24 Aug 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

I wish I lived in your world, everything would be so simple.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:49 pm 24 Aug 13

Lock him up and throw away the key. Having a mental illness should not mean you can just kill your mum and get away with it.

IrishPete 8:57 am 24 Aug 13

bundah said :

The question that needs to be answered is why mental health didn’t act when she sought help? Yet another failure in the system it would seem.

Indeed. Does anyone know if ACT holds inquests in cases like these? (I’d also like to see one for Linda Cox.)

IP

bundah 6:23 pm 23 Aug 13

Acting Justice John Nield said that if Aranyi hadn’t been mentally impaired then he would have jailed him for twenty years. Nield also said that the deceased woman had sought help from the ACT mental health system one day before she was strangled.

The question that needs to be answered is why mental health didn’t act when she sought help? Yet another failure in the system it would seem.

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