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On bus lanes, with Katy Gallagher

By johnboy - 17 February 2012 29

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Chief Minister Gallagher has weighed in on the bus lane v T2 debate (bearing in mind that the “one nation on wheels” courting Liberals are mad keen for T2’s).

Katy is citing research purportedly hidden somewhere on the TAMS website, showing T2’s are kind of useless, but bus lanes are grand!

“Surveys undertaken during the morning peak period along Barry Drive, show that 1800 people were being moved in 31 buses along the corridor between 7.45 am and 9.15 am. This made up around 25% of all people travelling during that period, with that figure expected to increase over time.

“What the AECOM review found is that the installation of a T2 lane would reduce the average speed of a bus, thus reducing its attractiveness as a transport option, which potentially could lead to more cars on the road, not less,” the Chief Minister said.

The report recommends the development of guidelines for the appropriate location and uses for transit and bus lanes across the Territory which take into consideration factors such as traffic safety, congestion and transport sustainability.

“The report shows that it is too simplistic for people to look at a bus lane and say it looks empty, when in actual fact it carries a significant proportion of people – and in quicker time than adjacent traffic lanes.

“For example, on Adelaide Avenue, the report found that the T2 lane provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods.

“The report also confirmed there were potential issues with drivers merging in and out of the Adelaide Avenue transit lane and additional safety measures which will need to be investigated,” the Chief Minister said

UPDATE: Thanks the TAMS staff for pointing us at the report

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On bus lanes, with Katy Gallagher
dpm 3:21 pm 17 Feb 12

winter said :

chewy14 said :

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

More likely the report wasn’t meant to be read by morons. The report doesnt say that the dedicated bus lane provides a 15 second benefit to buses, only that having 3 lanes open instead of two provides a 15 second benefit to cars.

I’m assuming the morons would be people like the ABC journo who said: “A new report has found a transit lane for car-pooling motorists and buses on Canberra’s Adelaide Avenue provides little difference in travel time compared with the general traffic lanes” under the heading “Adelaide Ave T2 lane ‘saves 15 secs'”?

chewy14 3:16 pm 17 Feb 12

winter said :

chewy14 said :

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

More likely the report wasn’t meant to be read by morons. The report doesnt say that the dedicated bus lane provides a 15 second benefit to buses, only that having 3 lanes open instead of two provides a 15 second benefit to cars.

Morons like Katy Gallagher?

And can you point out exactly where in the report it says that having three lanes open provides a 15 sec benefit to cars compared to two lanes?

rhino 2:53 pm 17 Feb 12

HenryBG said :

rhino said :

chewy14 said :

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

Quite likely. Seems a waste of millions if that is all the savings you get for the occasional bus coming along.

I don’t see how making it a T2 slows down the buses. The buses would be travelling slower than the cars and accelerating slower than the cars. There wouldn’t be a massive amount of cars in the lane and it encourages people to car pool which halves the number of cars on the road if they go from 1 to 2 passengers.

I see you’ve failed to spot the donkeys who swing into the T2 lane and then proceed to hold everybody up by driving to slowly.

I haven’t seen that myself. But I reckon the speed limit should be the minimum in the T2 lane haha. Any lower and you get fined 😛 And you have a limited time to accelerate up to speed.

random 2:48 pm 17 Feb 12

random said :

OK, explain to this moron

Never mind, I am a moron. But the time surveys for the dedicated bus lanes (Barry Drive and Flemington Road) also show only a very small decrease in trip time.

random 2:45 pm 17 Feb 12

winter said :

More likely the report wasn’t meant to be read by morons. The report doesnt say that the dedicated bus lane provides a 15 second benefit to buses, only that having 3 lanes open instead of two provides a 15 second benefit to cars.

OK, explain to this moron why it explicitly says, in the Adelaide Avenue case: “The results of the surveys completed during both the AM and PM peak periods along Adelaide Avenue would suggest that currently the designated T2 transit lane that stretches for approximately 4.5km in both directions of the corridor provide little journey time savings to the users when compared to the general traffic lanes. However, the transit lane does provide the user with a reliable travel time and consistent travel speed for the duration of the corridor.”

This is in the context of table 14, which shows that in the morning, vehicles travelling in the bus lane went the 4.5km stretch in 8 seconds less than vehicles in the other lanes. Table 17 shows that it was 14.2 seconds less in the evening.

RaTTyRaTT 2:18 pm 17 Feb 12

Adelaide Avenue provides 15seconds in peak time??? ROFLMAO. Sure, I will remember that when I shave a good 5 – 10 mins off my trip home. Remember people – 5 mins is the new 15 seconds… (is that like the old NSW Labor party changing the ‘train on time’ metric to allow for a greater window??? LMAO)

HenryBG 1:51 pm 17 Feb 12

rhino said :

chewy14 said :

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

Quite likely. Seems a waste of millions if that is all the savings you get for the occasional bus coming along.

I don’t see how making it a T2 slows down the buses. The buses would be travelling slower than the cars and accelerating slower than the cars. There wouldn’t be a massive amount of cars in the lane and it encourages people to car pool which halves the number of cars on the road if they go from 1 to 2 passengers.

I see you’ve failed to spot the donkeys who swing into the T2 lane and then proceed to hold everybody up by driving to slowly.

winter 1:42 pm 17 Feb 12

chewy14 said :

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

More likely the report wasn’t meant to be read by morons. The report doesnt say that the dedicated bus lane provides a 15 second benefit to buses, only that having 3 lanes open instead of two provides a 15 second benefit to cars.

rhino 1:06 pm 17 Feb 12

chewy14 said :

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

Quite likely. Seems a waste of millions if that is all the savings you get for the occasional bus coming along.

I don’t see how making it a T2 slows down the buses. The buses would be travelling slower than the cars and accelerating slower than the cars. There wouldn’t be a massive amount of cars in the lane and it encourages people to car pool which halves the number of cars on the road if they go from 1 to 2 passengers.

chewy14 12:50 pm 17 Feb 12

Primal said :

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

Exactly, why do they need a bus lane at all if it’s only 15 seconds?

Or was this report written starting with the conclusions?

aidan 12:20 pm 17 Feb 12

I’m not planning on reading the whole thing, but when I skimmed it this passage grabbed my attention:

“Currently, buses constitute a small percentage (1.8%) of all vehicles on Flemington Road, yet they carry about half (46.6%) of all persons travelling on Flemington Road.”

That says it all really.

Keijidosha 12:02 pm 17 Feb 12

haroldbeagle said :

Shorter Katy: If we make things really bad for motorists, some of them might opt for the bus.

‘Cause that’s easier than making the busses attractive.

I enjoy driving, but being able to jump on a bus and whizz by commuters stuck in peak hour traffic is more attractive to me. Commuters need to understand that as the population increases, driving into the city will become less viable. The transition will be painful for some, but we need efficient alternatives for peak hour travel.

Primal 11:51 am 17 Feb 12

So if the Adelaide Ave T2 “provides less than a 15 second benefit to motorists in peak periods”… does this mean the bus lane provides only a 15 second benefit to the buses???

haroldbeagle 11:03 am 17 Feb 12

Shorter Katy: If we make things really bad for motorists, some of them might opt for the bus.

‘Cause that’s easier than making the busses attractive.

Micky_P 10:21 am 17 Feb 12

She’s right. This is what happens when you have staff working in your office not in the ACT Liberal’s office.

/thread?

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