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Paying off traffic fines?

allofus 3 July 2010 68

Why is it that every state in Australia has the same rule that if you have lost your license due to traffic fine defaults you can apply to make regular payments and you can have it back.

NSW for eg, if you have say $2000 owing in fines and you had lost your licence due to not having the money to pay these fines straight away, you can make a payment arrangement even if its only $5 per fortnight, so long as you stick to these payment arrangements after the 6th payment they will re-issue you with a licence so long as you stick to the arrangement and continue to make regular payments ( you miss one and you lose the chance and never get the same offer)

ACT how ever, if you have fines outstanding you MUST pay every cent of them before they will even think of giving it back to you. ?????

WHY cant Canberra be the same as the rest of Australia ?

I personally have lost my license for fine default due to my stupid behavior in my early teens, i had been charged for burn outs, speeding etc i had a total of $2500 in fines and paid almost all of it off, i had $5 owing still so naturally asumed that i’d drive to the local shop front, pay my $5 and drive home legit.

How ever, unfortunately i had gotten 5 doors down the road and was pulled over by a police officer that recognised me and pulled me over, i was charged for no licence, disqualifed driver, turned out my car (that i had just brought) had fraud rego, so thats another charge, no rego, no third party and he also defected my car on account of a blinker light that was not working on my front guard.

I explained my story to the officer and stated that it had taken me almost 5 months to pay the last 2500k and tried to reason with him, how ever he doing his job i failed at this attempt.

due to the anger and my rebellous teens i refused to make more payments and drove my self to and from work with out a licence.

Naturally i was pulled over for RBTs etc and i would get another fine for driving unlicenced, Note i have never been stupid enough to drink drive, never been in a car accident, never been in a chase, always co-operated with the law

its now 11 years later and i am up to a shameful $16,000 in fines.

I am not able to get a loan to pay this amount and the only option i have is to make payments when and of what ever amount i can to the ACT shopfront. In doing this i estimate at least 3 years before i can pay it off completely.

I am now 29 and regret the stupid things i had done in the past but its a fact of too little too late.

I am a single father of 4 and finding it extreamly hard to manage with out being able to have access to a car.

Oh and i am unable to get a work license UNLESS i have been charged for driving under the influence … why do drink drivers get the chance to get their right to drive back but that dosen’t stand for the rest of us?

What other options are there ? Who can i talk to? there has to be another way to get this sorted out?

I know alot of readers out there are saying “its your own fault, you should have paid your fines, you shouldn’t have done the wrong thing” i agree, i was young and naive and no had no one to tell me otherwise.

I accept responsibilty for the things i have done wrong, i am willing to pay these fines, but why cant i have a payment arrangement just like every other state in Australia?

Does the Government not realise how many people would come forward and happily pay off there fines if there was a payment scheme in ACT like this ??

Remember, i personally owe $16000.00 imagine if every unlicenced person in ACT went on this plan, no longer would there be so many unlicence drivers on the road but it would put a hell of a lot more money back into the ACT Government.

Signed

Confused and Frustrated,


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MartyMcFly MartyMcFly 12:22 pm 16 Jul 10

allofus said :

Ok.

1st I never once said i wanted sympathy!
2nd I never said im an Angel!
3rd I never said i wanted its to all just go away because i am 30!
4th I have sold my car, and not owned one for the past 3 years!
5th I have not driven a car in any way for the past 3 and a half years!

I do catch the bus, if the weather is warm enough i even use my push bike!

I DO agree that my action have been stupid i never suggested that i shouldn’t have been punished. My fines have been mostly driving with out a license repetitively (most the time only driving to work) yes i know i should have not driven i never said it was the correct thing to do!

I most certainly do not do drugs see prostitutes gamble drink or even SMOKE so who ever that was can go to hell!

All i wanted from this post was to see if there could be a payment scheme put into place!

where if one has fines that is having trouble paying that they can enter into a payment arrangement to pay them off, while one is paying these fines in regular payments one can have there license back, even if one had to sign a contract to state that one would serve time in prison if said arrangement was broken.

Oh and ps, you can not serve time for unpaid fines in the act i have also looked into this!

When you have children, you have unexpected things happen, such as injuries that need to be seen by a doc, having to run to the shop to get milk or bread for the next day for school, school things like plays etc football events etc that you cant always rely on public transport to get you there and even if you can it would take at least an hour to get you and all the kids to the local shops!.

I don’t want your sympathy, i just want a way to be able to pay off my fines and drive legally.

And i will get a loan to pay these fines once i have cleaned up my credit rating.

i turned to this site as there are many knowledgeable people on here who i though may have some good advice, but no, every one has there heads up there own arse’s and all they can say is i am drug user, scum bag because i have made a lot of stupid decisions.
sorry you people have never done anything wrong in your life’s !

I thank those who have not judged me how ever.

Now if you have any REAL advise that does not include me being a fuck wit id like to hear from you.

I’m on your side dude… its totally unfair that you cant pay the fines off.
From my point of view i personally find the punishment is far too harsh… honestly you’d swear you killed someone… its not like ur names mully……

allofus allofus 12:12 pm 16 Jul 10

Ok.

1st I never once said i wanted sympathy!
2nd I never said im an Angel!
3rd I never said i wanted its to all just go away because i am 30!
4th I have sold my car, and not owned one for the past 3 years!
5th I have not driven a car in any way for the past 3 and a half years!

I do catch the bus, if the weather is warm enough i even use my push bike!

I DO agree that my action have been stupid i never suggested that i shouldn’t have been punished. My fines have been mostly driving with out a license repetitively (most the time only driving to work) yes i know i should have not driven i never said it was the correct thing to do!

I most certainly do not do drugs see prostitutes gamble drink or even SMOKE so who ever that was can go to hell!

All i wanted from this post was to see if there could be a payment scheme put into place!

where if one has fines that is having trouble paying that they can enter into a payment arrangement to pay them off, while one is paying these fines in regular payments one can have there license back, even if one had to sign a contract to state that one would serve time in prison if said arrangement was broken.

Oh and ps, you can not serve time for unpaid fines in the act i have also looked into this!

When you have children, you have unexpected things happen, such as injuries that need to be seen by a doc, having to run to the shop to get milk or bread for the next day for school, school things like plays etc football events etc that you cant always rely on public transport to get you there and even if you can it would take at least an hour to get you and all the kids to the local shops!.

I don’t want your sympathy, i just want a way to be able to pay off my fines and drive legally.

And i will get a loan to pay these fines once i have cleaned up my credit rating.

i turned to this site as there are many knowledgeable people on here who i though may have some good advice, but no, every one has there heads up there own arse’s and all they can say is i am drug user, scum bag because i have made a lot of stupid decisions.
sorry you people have never done anything wrong in your life’s !

I thank those who have not judged me how ever.

Now if you have any REAL advise that does not include me being a fuck wit id like to hear from you.

bobbatty bobbatty 11:17 pm 09 Jul 10

I’m still a fan. He at least is honest not like the do gooders who think they can be judge and executioners for the crimes of this poor simpleton. Don’t you get it? This guy is a retard and in other times would have been kept locked up doing craft work and making broom broom noises.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 12:10 pm 06 Jul 10

This did not happen. $16,000 in unpaid fines and then posts on RA about it? Come on people dust off the bs detectors.

Spideydog Spideydog 5:22 pm 05 Jul 10

Oscillate Wildly said :

A post from this loser’s FB group:

I persoanly owe the nsw goverment $4,718,00 i
have a “time to pay order” witch means i can have my licence. now
because of last night with the undercover pig i will now get a huge fine
an wont beable two pay it by the bue date an they will suspend my
licence. i agree that ACT should have the same rulse an everyother state
two help people like me an tyson out an all the other people that drive
unlicenced everyday just two make a living an do things with our kids.

*golf clap*

Law enforcement at work. The system is there for people who repent, but bites the ones in the ass who continue to offend (then blame the “undercover pigs” for their actions … lol)

Davo111 Davo111 5:21 pm 05 Jul 10

P Taker said :

No sympathy.

Please move out of Canberra.

i think… i love you

cashman180 cashman180 5:04 pm 05 Jul 10

One of two things happened here.
1: You either did the wrong thing about $200.00 times in which case, you probably don’t deserve your licence (or your money).
2: You parked on the Prime Minister’s head and got a SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR!!! fine. Are you insane. I would have stopped parking illegally after about $1,000.00!

I tend to get a fine, swear, suck it up, pay the fine and try harder not to park illegally next time.

P Taker P Taker 3:45 pm 05 Jul 10

No sympathy.

Please move out of Canberra.

Thoroughly Smashed Thoroughly Smashed 2:37 pm 05 Jul 10

Whether it’s real or not, this is great.

p1 p1 2:13 pm 05 Jul 10

sirocco said :

…but after $16K of fines due to consistanly bad driving behaviour I’m not sure any magistrate would give out a conditional licence

For this particular repeat offender I would be part of the mob outcry if special consideration was given.

Genie said :

And I dont see how him having a license will let him earn more money than someone without a license.

I wouldn’t give the OP one, since he has repeatedly shown a inability to obey the laws already. But I can think of many reasons why a persons employment prospects would genuinely benefit from a licence, e.g. shift work outside ACTION’s timetable, any job that involves actually operating a vehicle. Even the trolley boys at the mall drive that tractor around. Although I imagine they’ll all lose their licences when the “random” drug testing comes in….

Oscillate Wildly Oscillate Wildly 1:49 pm 05 Jul 10

A post from this loser’s FB group:

I persoanly owe the nsw goverment $4,718,00 i
have a “time to pay order” witch means i can have my licence. now
because of last night with the undercover pig i will now get a huge fine
an wont beable two pay it by the bue date an they will suspend my
licence. i agree that ACT should have the same rulse an everyother state
two help people like me an tyson out an all the other people that drive
unlicenced everyday just two make a living an do things with our kids.

*golf clap*

amarooresident3 amarooresident3 1:34 pm 05 Jul 10

Somehow this reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Bart continually gets electrocuted by reaching for the same donut over and over again.

sirocco sirocco 11:59 am 05 Jul 10

p1 – nope, you can get a conditional licence when you lose your licence for accrual of demerit points too

(we all have a silly teenage past – but that doesn’t mean we should be able to weasel out of responsibility for it)

but after $16K of fines due to consistanly bad driving behaviour I’m not sure any magistrate would give out a conditional licence

Genie Genie 11:54 am 05 Jul 10

The OP doesn’t deserve a work license ! And I dont see how him having a license will let him earn more money than someone without a license. There are alot of people who bus it to work and earn plenty of money.

Someone who has accrued 16k in fees shouldnt be entitled to a license until it was ALL paid off.

Suffer the consequences of your actions!

carnardly carnardly 11:40 am 05 Jul 10

Mate I ride from north Tuggeranong to the city to work. Its free.

You could also get a second job at McDonalds on the weekend, or do a couple of night shifts at coles for $30 an hour. It won’t take you that long to pay it off.

I’m with the others – no sympathy. Is my family affected by the road toll and bogans in cars? you betcha!

p1 p1 11:22 am 05 Jul 10

While I have little sympathy for the number of fines the OP has racked up, having though about this thread a bit, I can’t help but think the original post might have some merit.

Many of the offences which the poster has been booked for involve the loss (or gaining, depending on how you think about it) of demerit points. Some would undoubtedly involve court imposed licence suspension. If he has served out the time of these suspensions, and the only reason for not being able to hold a valid ACT drivers licence is that he does not have the funds to pay off the fine, then there is a catch 22 where a licence would quite possibly allow him to earn more money and pay the fines quicker.

I could well imagine the benefit of instituting a payment plan whereby the fine will be paid off incrementally (however slowly) and the driver will have the use of a vehicle.

I also find interesting the suggestion that conditional work licences are only issued to people done for drunk driving not other offences, is this true?

neanderthalsis neanderthalsis 11:17 am 05 Jul 10

From the OP:
“I am a single father of 4 and finding it extreamly hard to manage with out being able to have access to a car.

What other options are there ? Who can i talk to? there has to be another way to get this sorted out?”

Well sunshine, here’s some practical advice for you: sell the ricer Skyline, give up any current vices and extravagances (drugs, alcohol, smoking, cheap hookers, pate foi gras etc) save some money, pay off the fine. Then try obeying the law and you’ll find that it wont happen again.

Wonder if the OP is any relation to Mully?

la mente torbida la mente torbida 11:14 am 05 Jul 10

Sorry, didn’t realise that the law applied to the entire community except you.

So if you are an idiot from 18 to 29, all is forgiven when you turn 30?

Pay up…the whole point of penalties is that it is supposed to hurt…that way you may learn something from your behaviour – the fact you managed to postpone this until it caught you up in your late 20’s is immaterial.

A single father of four? … lead by example and teach your kids properly.

Davo111 Davo111 10:25 am 05 Jul 10

fgzk said :

Actually it may be an issue. Especially for people on low or no income.

90% of the time, the first offence is only a few hundred in fines, not $16k

he drove without a license and kept getting fines. The police recognise him because he keeps driving without a license.

no sympathy from me.

Feathergirl Feathergirl 10:19 am 05 Jul 10

Hmmm… Pay the fines. You could fight on, probably racking up more fines, maybe giving us all a hilarious segment on ‘Today Tonight’ to bag out, but it’ll just drag you down. It’ll be a stone around your neck that you could just pay and move on.

So, I agree with the people who advise to get a loan and pay it off. Open a new bank account with no key card and get your work to automatically put x amount of money into this account each pay, then get the loan payments automatically taken out of this account. Think of it as a HECS type debt, hopefully you have learned something from the experience and now you’re paying for that knowledge. You just don’t have a degree to show for it all. In fact if you really want to do something maybe visit high schools and tell the students your story. Maybe you’ll save another young bloke the heartache you have to stress about each day.

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