4 November 2008

Penthouse for the Pregnant?

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I caught something briefly on a WIN news update about a girl demanding better public housing because she was pregnant. From the pictures I saw it looked like she was living in the units in Lyons opposite the Woden Plaza.

Don’t get me wrong, I feel for the girl, but what better public housing can she expect? Those units are fine and Bernie Court has long gone so what’s she whinging about? I haven’t heard the full story so let me know if I’m missing something.

I dread to think of the spike in public housing pregnancies if she gets her upgrade. It would start up the ‘Steralise first and ask questions later’ debate again.

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Pommy bastard5:28 pm 05 Nov 08

Jazz said :

I didnt see the peice on TV so am speaking from a position of ignorance with regards to the facts but its entirely possible that the immeninent arrival of a new baby in this particular household will create a crowded appartment. Housing ACT has policies around how many bedrooms are allocated according to household size so she might be well within her rights to request a new home.

Then the policies are wrong and foster dependency.

It’s not rocket science; “I don’t have enough room in this place to have another kid.”

Send her to perth… Then she can wait 7 years in the queue just for the first place let alone an upgrade…

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21498,24605143-2761,00.html

*hehe*

Yeah, I reckon I could write a “How To Tell If You’re Going To Get Knocked Up Checklist” ….

It would start with:

1. You can’t understand why he keeps trying to put his hand up your skirt. Why would he want to do that? Doesn’t he know it’s wrong? Has his mother taught him nothing?

2. He tells you he loves you. And you believe him.

Granny, I agree with you completely. My post was a response to a totally different post (see above).

Oh, I thought you meant was I serious!

*blush* and *chuckle*

No, of course I’m not serious. I was making the point that, unlike the woman, the man is not maligned by society for the pregnancy.

In my experience the most common reason for an unplanned pregnancy is that the woman is not planning on having sex nor even expecting to, if anything. Women who have sex frequently with one or more partners are much more likely to be prepared for that eventuality.

In truth it’s more likely to be the ‘Sandys’ than the ‘Rizzos’ that get knocked up.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

That depends on whether you’re in a supportive relationship and how much you’re both planning on whinging to the govt for help.

Being in an unsupportive relationship and/or whinging for more money might make someone a lot of things, but a ‘slut’ or a ‘skank’? Are you serious?

Granny said :

Only if she is young and you abandon her.

Thanks Granny, I’ll get straight onto it. 😉

I didnt see the peice on TV so am speaking from a position of ignorance with regards to the facts but its entirely possible that the immeninent arrival of a new baby in this particular household will create a crowded appartment. Housing ACT has policies around how many bedrooms are allocated according to household size so she might be well within her rights to request a new home.

bd84 said :

Pandy said :

Spread you legs and live with the consequences.

LOL!
too true.

I believe the story did mention that they said that she was originally declined on the basis that she earnt too much money, but now she’s on maternity leave so “waaa I need a new place to live cause I’m not earning that money anymore”. Whether or not that’s true or not is probably another story.

The stupidity of people like this woman is that she thinks she’s automatically entitled to a change in address because she’s pregnant. I don’t see that as being particularly any more dire than the probably already huge waiting list for a transfer. She should think herself lucky for the place she has, and there are places in the ACT housing system that are very much worse than her place in Hawker, which didn’t look too bad anyway.

and considering that she is working and earning too much prior to mat leave, why is she still in act housing anyway? shouldn’t she have been turfed out prior to pregnancy to let someone with no job and on the waiting list move in? what is earning too much, anyway?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy11:37 am 05 Nov 08

My missus is pregnant; does this make her a ’slut’ or a ’skank’, or both? If somebody could let me know, that would be great.

That depends on whether you’re in a supportive relationship and how much you’re both planning on whinging to the govt for help.

I agree, BerraBoy68. I always feel incredibly sexy and completely gorgeous when I’m pregnant.

: )

And only my partner has to agree about that. Who cares what other people think?

Nothing looks better on a woman than being pregnant.

I know that have their own comments about sore feet, sore backs, cravings etc.. but that’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

neanderthalsis10:52 am 05 Nov 08

Jim Jones said :

My missus is pregnant; does this make her a ‘slut’ or a ‘skank’, or both? If somebody could let me know, that would be great.

No Jim, but it does mean she puts out. 😛

(note: this was typed with tongue planted firmly in cheek and was meant to be a poor attempt at humour. If you find my comment offensive, feel free to have a whinge about it to someone who cares)

Only if she is young and you abandon her.

It makes her charitable Jim.

My missus is pregnant; does this make her a ‘slut’ or a ‘skank’, or both? If somebody could let me know, that would be great.

Granny said :

*chuckle*

He did say that he would have gone broke from all the money I hadn’t made.

: )

LOL – GOLD!

I also agree with you on the issue of being supportive of women’s rights for their choice to have/don’t have kids. Some people I know have questioned my wife’s choice to give up full time work to look after our kids. Financially, it has been tough but now our youngest is about to start kindy we’re finally seeing some blue sky.

I agree on the inconsiderate comments. We’ve already spoken in another thread how comments can leave larger and more longer lasting scars than physical abuse.

*chuckle*

He did say that he would have gone broke from all the money I hadn’t made.

: )

I’m not having a go at you BerraBoy68.

The irony with my daughter is that it wasn’t a teen pregnancy and the father hasn’t shot through.

But once again, why should facts get in the way of people’s creativity.

It’s so much fun to completely ruin somebody’s mothers’ day with an inconsiderate and judgmental insult. It’s so righteous to make them feel afraid to leave home because of the emotional abuse and verbal cruelty of others.

Frankly, I fail to see how any society can claim to be supportive of women’s rights whilst demeaning a woman for her reproductive choice.

Granny said :

In fact I got called a whore the day before last. Actually it was a ho but same difference. It was someone I respected and cared about. I went and asked Gramps, “Am I a whore?” and cried, and he said “No,” and he held me.

Gramps is a champ! If anybody ever called my wife that I’d confront them with the serious intent of smacking them around.

Granny said :

I’m sorry, BerraBoy68, but I’ve lived with this bigotry for so long and it makes my blood boil. Now I’m watching my own daughter suffer.

It is well that I don’t live in Hobart, since I can tell you right now that if I am present when somebody makes one of these remarks I will be arrested and charged for assault.

I can see your point and understand you situation. The issue of teen pregnancies or those where the father shoots through is a tough one and, as a father of two, one I sincerely hope my own family never has to juggle with. There does need to be some personal responsibility in such issues but, I stress, IMO this must apply equally on both sides. If the bloke in this particular situation is around and has shirked his responsibility then he is a compete P*ick.

I have personally banned my wife’s brother from our home as he has 6 kids to three different women and has recently taken off overseas. He hasn’t paid one cent in child support for any of his kids nor does he ever intend to. He admitted to my wife earlier this year that he simply doesn’t care. We’re lucky that the mothers of these children are good people and allow us to stay in touch with our neices and nephews.

Now he’s apparently engaged to a girl in Germany I’m tossing up whether I should e-mail her to let her know how many kids he has to other women in an effort to help her avoid future hassles. He also has a record of stealing from his father and brother but that’s another story…

You know from other posts I’m a fan of yours and I think with a mum like you, your daughter will be well supported.

Pommy bastard8:30 am 05 Nov 08

miz said :

Pommy, not so harsh! Her child will be one of the ‘lucky’ generation that will be paying hefty taxes and wiping your bum in the nursing home when you are old.

Ha! Like the offspring of the dole cultured “give me more” scrounging wonder will just somehow decide after being born and raised on the public teat, that working wiping elderly arse in order to pay your own way is a G-O-O-D thing to do?

Give me a break pardner…

Please don’t feel limited, I was just pointing out the facts. RA is all about creativity it seems.

In fact I got called a whore the day before last. Actually it was a ho but same difference. It was someone I respected and cared about. I went and asked Gramps, “Am I a whore?” and cried, and he said “No,” and he held me.

People use a variety of words, dexi. They are so creative. Why should I limit myself?

“Yeah, poor guy. Pity he got mixed up with that skanky whore who spread her legs to have sex with him.”

“Skanky whores” use condoms and lube. I think granny the words your are looking for is “Skanky slut”. They put out cheap and without protection.

I’m sorry, BerraBoy68, but I’ve lived with this bigotry for so long and it makes my blood boil. Now I’m watching my own daughter suffer.

It is well that I don’t live in Hobart, since I can tell you right now that if I am present when somebody makes one of these remarks I will be arrested and charged for assault.

Granny said :

Yeah, I don’t see anyone bagging the guy out.

I did ask where he was. I would have gone in a bit meaner but what if the bloke’s dead (unlikly) but just in case I thought I’d leave it with simple question.,

Yeah, poor guy. Pity he got mixed up with that skanky whore who spread her legs to have sex with him.

Jonathon Reynolds11:53 pm 04 Nov 08

Granny said :

Yeah, I don’t see anyone bagging the guy out.

He will get his comeuppance… child support payments for the next 18 years.

Yeah, I don’t see anyone bagging the guy out.

Pandy said :

Spread you legs and live with the consequences.

LOL!
too true.

I believe the story did mention that they said that she was originally declined on the basis that she earnt too much money, but now she’s on maternity leave so “waaa I need a new place to live cause I’m not earning that money anymore”. Whether or not that’s true or not is probably another story.

The stupidity of people like this woman is that she thinks she’s automatically entitled to a change in address because she’s pregnant. I don’t see that as being particularly any more dire than the probably already huge waiting list for a transfer. She should think herself lucky for the place she has, and there are places in the ACT housing system that are very much worse than her place in Hawker, which didn’t look too bad anyway.

Spread you legs and live with the consequences.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:14 pm 04 Nov 08

Do people like this not understand the concept of birth control??

With the gov’t fallign over itself to shovel money at anyone having children, it is no surprise that this shameless mentality of entitlement is the result.

When people (like Rupert Murdoch) talk about the increasing expectation of welfare, some think they mean bread-line people. In fact, what it means is the poor, the comfortably-off and the downright wealthy now expect and demand government welfare. And their expectations are rising. Hence our pregnant gov’t housing whinger wants to know where her 3 bedroom free house is.

Stuff her and her whinging attitude – Housing should downgrade her just for being an ingrate.

ilmarinen: yeah, I posted that in the wrong thread. Seems I clicked on the wrong thread and began typing with my usual maniacal fervour.. and only after pressing Post did it dawn on me that I had the wrong thread.

Million dollar caravans? Where do I get one?!

I wonder if this poor girl with one in the oven had enough for the essentials this week.. Like putting down money on the Cup, not just buying her Winnie Blues.

The above posting was meant to be put in a different thread… something when awry with my browser. It was meant to be in the thread titled Baby Boomers move to Batemans bay.

As a cynical Gen-X’er, I have the following to say:

Baby Boomers, hear me now, if you really must block the highways with your wretched million-dollar caravans, go and do it in someone else’s country (like Tasmania), and stop whining about the Gen-Y’ers. Though they are selfish and have the attention span of a gnat, at least you people had access to free education and reasonably priced homes.

Gen-Y: Shut up and stop whining about the Baby Boomers. Though it’s true that they greedily squandered our country’s inheritance (and for that, they most certainly deserve our scorn), they’ll all be dead soon. Have patience, you ironic, self-centered brats. And here’s a tip – invest in poker machine companies, caravan suppliers, and nasal-delivery technology pharmaceuticals.. it’s your best bet at picking up your inheritance again.

🙂

There.. that feels better. There’s nothing like offending two thirds of the population in a fit of sweeping generalizations, is there?

Pommy, not so harsh! Her child will be one of the ‘lucky’ generation that will be paying hefty taxes and wiping your bum in the nursing home when you are old.

She would have entered public housing via the ‘priority list’ or possibly the emergency list, which means she would not get a choice of three properties/locales. She would have had to take the first available – so it would have been pot luck whether the previous tenants looked after the place or not, whether it was scummy and infested, or not.

Certainly a lot of properties, particularly bedsit types, do not meet community standard of ‘decent’. For instance, govie houses do not come with blinds or curtains (unless they were a spot purchase and had some already). No private rental would get away with that.

She should get a proper job before getting knocked up.

I don’t think it was so much the quality of the flat she was complaining about, more than quality of the neighbours – too much noise, rubbish lying around etc.

Pommy bastard1:53 pm 04 Nov 08

Granny said :

From my own experience I would have to say that one of them will be taking responsibility for that action for the rest of her life.

And we’ll be footing the bill

If this girl has never heard something like “I’ll give you guys a tenner to drive my dad to the hospital” I’d suggest that she thank the authorities for not putting her in Stuart Flats near Manuka.

You’re right Granny, that’s why I feel sorry for her. Presuming this is her first child of course. Unfortunately though it’s probably the first of a lot of complaining and blame laying. A lot of girls take the responsibility on the chin as a consequence of their actions and some realise they can’t handle it and terminate the pregnancy or put the child up for adoption. All painful choices. But to keep the baby AND whinge… ugh.

And when you say ‘try’ not to do all of those things, I’d put money on the fact that you’re probably a pretty good role model there. But most will turn feral and start building a big chip on their shoulders.

Overheard?!!! haha – eww.

Jonathon Reynolds1:07 pm 04 Nov 08

The individual should be grateful that she has a roof over her head subsidised by the government.
She can always look for something else on the open market. There are many individuals (and families) that are in a less fortunate positions (and probably more deserving) than her that would give their eye teeth to get into any government housing.

OK, I’ll be the one to say it. I saw the headline and thought, ‘Eww! Some sort of porn mag for those who like the fuller figure — literally? Again, I say, ewwww!’

But it’s not.

Back to the central commentary position.

From my own experience I would have to say that one of them will be taking responsibility for that action for the rest of her life.

Lazy?

Try getting no sleep with a baby that won’t stop crying. Try not throwing it through the window. Try not turning to drugs or alcohol or antidepressants.

This girl will never have worked so hard in her life, and will never work harder again.

Typical attitude of these lazy arse effers. GET ME A NEW HOUSE – I’m up the duff again. Mum didn’t buy me a pony. waaa.

“And if you tell that t’kids today, they’ll not believe ye!”.

In all seriousness, the flats in Hawker are pretty basic but everybody has to live somewhere. That said, where is the baby’s dad or her family?

I’m not judging her (honestly) but where is her responsibility for her own actions in all this?

A cardboard box, you were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o’clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, out Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

it was hawker.

maybe she can use the baby bonus on renting a better place for herself and her child rather than buying a plasma.

grunge_hippy9:52 am 04 Nov 08

i was cooking dinner at the time, so i didnt see the story but i thought i heard it was hawker.

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