4 August 2012

Piggery footage reveals horrendous cruelty outside Canberra

4 August 2012 | FreddyVegan

Animal Liberation ACT, in conjunction with Animal Liberation NSW has launched a campaign – Australian Pig Farming: The Inside Story following several months of investigation into Wally’s Piggery, a piggery just 20 mins from Canberra.
Please visit www.aussiepigs.com.au to learn more and find out how you can help the thousands of pigs that are subjected to cruelty on this farm and by the pig industry.

The ABC has reported the story.

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Ben_Dover4:37 pm 13 Jun 13

Come on … in the end almost everything revolves around dudes oiling themselves up and posing for other dudes.

Well you would say that, wouldn’t you.

Jim Jones2:04 pm 13 Jun 13

poetix said :

muscledude_oz said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

Health and protein to fat ratios are not really the issues here, you know. You really can’t make a decision on every moral or political conundrum purely by the implications for bodybuilding.

Come on … in the end almost everything revolves around dudes oiling themselves up and posing for other dudes.

It’s totally not gay.

poetix1:21 pm 13 Jun 13

muscledude_oz said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

Health and protein to fat ratios are not really the issues here, you know. You really can’t make a decision on every moral or political conundrum purely by the implications for bodybuilding.

neanderthalsis1:20 pm 13 Jun 13

jasmine said :

This is an issue that is not just about vegetarianism/veganism but the ethics of food production and farming meat. There is nothing loopy about approaching meat production from a humanitarian point of view. The pictures of that piggery are disgusting, there is no excuse for this method of farming. Battery farming may not be ‘rape’ in the legal sense but it certainly lacks compassion for the welfare of the animal and is a torturous existence for hens. As consumers we can make a choice, or even go one step further an have your own backyard chooks.

Some of us choose to hunt our own meat. You can be guaranteed a free range venison or boar roast, rabbit pie, baked trout or redfin that was killed cleanly and humanely if you catch or shoot and butcher it yourself. You also get to commune with nature and get some exercise as you hike through state forests or meander along the banks of a quiet stream. You also help the environment and the preservation of native flora and fauna by removing introduced species from the ecosystem.

So kiddies, don’t turn vegan, turn hunter. You know it makes sense.

Jim Jones1:03 pm 13 Jun 13

muscledude_oz said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

I think you’ll find that most people eat bacon BECAUSE IT’S AWESOME!!!

Very few of us are interested in oiling ourselves up and standing around half-naked flexing for the other guys in the gym to watch.

You might have better luck pitching this info to the new bar in Dickson I’ve heard so much about.

muscledude_oz10:59 am 13 Jun 13

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

R. Slicker10:50 am 13 Jun 13

FreddyVegan said :

Activists from Animal Liberation can today confirm that both of Wally Perenc’s piggeries have CLOSED DOWN. A big thank you to everyone who called, emailed, or otherwise expressed their outrage, or raised awareness about pig farming in Australia by sharing our photos and videos.

However… Wally’s Piggery was never just a “rogue operator”. Animal Liberation has obtained the following horrifying footage from Ean Pollard’s Lansdowne Piggery in Young NSW, where hundreds and hundreds of pregnant pigs scream and thrash, trying in vain to escape their tiny metal cages (known as sow stalls) while showing signs of insanity and starvation. The single eight minute continuous shot isn’t “graphic”, but it’s still very difficult to sit through. Right now, hundreds of thousands of pigs across Australia are suffering in cages just like these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y61YsJxEQ2s

Ean Pollard is the Chairman of the NSW Farmers Pork Committee – he’s a big name in the industry. The footage was originally to be aired by Channel Seven’s Today Tonight, who went to talk to Ean prior to a formal on-camera interview. He said he wouldn’t show them his sow stalls; when they told him they already had footage of his sow stalls, he apparently “freaked”. The day before the interview was to take place, the story was cancelled without explanation.

We’ve just relaunched our website, http://www.aussiepigs.com.au, where we’ll be adding more and more investigations. Here you can see photos from Lansdowne (with more photos and videos of the rest of the piggery coming soon), and additional videos from Allain’s Piggery and from Wally’s Piggery, including what it now looks like as an empty, haunting reminder of the hell that was once hidden within its crumbling walls. It’s important to remember that, were it not for the illegal instrusion by Animal Liberation activists, Wally would still now, one year later, be bludgeoning pigs to death with a sledgehammer.

The attack on the piggery in Young has made the front page of today’s edition of The Land. The other media have ignored it. I wonder why?

FreddyVegan9:15 am 13 Jun 13

Activists from Animal Liberation can today confirm that both of Wally Perenc’s piggeries have CLOSED DOWN. A big thank you to everyone who called, emailed, or otherwise expressed their outrage, or raised awareness about pig farming in Australia by sharing our photos and videos.

However… Wally’s Piggery was never just a “rogue operator”. Animal Liberation has obtained the following horrifying footage from Ean Pollard’s Lansdowne Piggery in Young NSW, where hundreds and hundreds of pregnant pigs scream and thrash, trying in vain to escape their tiny metal cages (known as sow stalls) while showing signs of insanity and starvation. The single eight minute continuous shot isn’t “graphic”, but it’s still very difficult to sit through. Right now, hundreds of thousands of pigs across Australia are suffering in cages just like these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y61YsJxEQ2s

Ean Pollard is the Chairman of the NSW Farmers Pork Committee – he’s a big name in the industry. The footage was originally to be aired by Channel Seven’s Today Tonight, who went to talk to Ean prior to a formal on-camera interview. He said he wouldn’t show them his sow stalls; when they told him they already had footage of his sow stalls, he apparently “freaked”. The day before the interview was to take place, the story was cancelled without explanation.

We’ve just relaunched our website, http://www.aussiepigs.com.au, where we’ll be adding more and more investigations. Here you can see photos from Lansdowne (with more photos and videos of the rest of the piggery coming soon), and additional videos from Allain’s Piggery and from Wally’s Piggery, including what it now looks like as an empty, haunting reminder of the hell that was once hidden within its crumbling walls. It’s important to remember that, were it not for the illegal instrusion by Animal Liberation activists, Wally would still now, one year later, be bludgeoning pigs to death with a sledgehammer.

poetix10:55 am 22 Nov 12

FreddyVegan said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Absolutely, unfortunately the RSPCA does not share this view and Wally Perenc continues to operate.

I thought the RSPCA was trying to get a case together to take to the courts?

My own view is that I don’t eat meat, and I’ll only buy free range/organic meat for Mr Poetix. And he has to cook it and eat it in the dog kennel. (That’s a joke. We don’t have a dog kennel.)

DrKoresh10:48 am 22 Nov 12

FreddyVegan said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Absolutely, unfortunately the RSPCA does not share this view and Wally Perenc continues to operate.

I trust the RSPCA more than a bunch of ideologues when it comes to such decisions.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd8:43 pm 13 Aug 12

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

See youy are starting to do it yourself. It is not cruel to kill a animal. And by saying it is you are spreading the lie. stop it. Death is part of life and yes, of course all animals slaughtered are killed, but not every death is cruel. Its part of nature. survival of the fittest etc etc.
There are plenty of ethical ways to kill a animal. And thats the product i try to buy.
i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty. oh and i eat honey. There is no cruelty in that.

To what end does your enforcing your own views on others stop at? Do you rally against mortein and fly swats? What about cats? They viciously torture birds to death for fun. Do you protest against cats?

>”i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty.”.

For each hen hatched a male is also hatched. He’s of no use for egss or meat so he and the millions of others like him are minced alive or gassed at the age of 1 day. Also – every laying hen in a commercial egg facility is slaughtered at about 18mths once her productivity drops. Tell me again how free range involves no cruelty.

I see you are lying again. There is nothing cruel in any part of your post.
Stop trying to say that lies are facts.

mos8:14 pm 13 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

I AM vegan – have been for over 8 years – vegetarian for 12 years before that. I assume you’re joking when you pretend to describe my physiology and health without knowing anything about me. Or perhaps you were serious so I’ll paste a little from that link just in case …
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.”

All my blood levels are fine (I check them on significant birthdays).

So, again, it’s simple. We can live very well without animal sourced foods. The production of those foods causes stress, pain and death to sentient animals. Therefore I don’t believe we can justify such use of animals for unnecessary products.

To your later post – my comment on the slaughter of layer hens was in response to a claim that free-range eggs did not involve cruelty.

I believe that taking the life of a nonhuman is cruel – there is no such thing as ‘humane slaughter’. Animals will choose life if given the choice – they run from predators or fight to defend themselves. They have the capacity to enjoy their lives. Taking their life is wrong in the same way that taking a human life is wrong.

And I have several younger friends who are raising healthy, thriving vegan kids from infancy onwards – exactly as the ADA says above. What is cruel is to feed kids dead animals without telling them exactly what they’re eating.

mos5:53 pm 13 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

See youy are starting to do it yourself. It is not cruel to kill a animal. And by saying it is you are spreading the lie. stop it. Death is part of life and yes, of course all animals slaughtered are killed, but not every death is cruel. Its part of nature. survival of the fittest etc etc.
There are plenty of ethical ways to kill a animal. And thats the product i try to buy.
i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty. oh and i eat honey. There is no cruelty in that.

To what end does your enforcing your own views on others stop at? Do you rally against mortein and fly swats? What about cats? They viciously torture birds to death for fun. Do you protest against cats?

>”i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty.”.

For each hen hatched a male is also hatched. He’s of no use for egss or meat so he and the millions of others like him are minced alive or gassed at the age of 1 day. Also – every laying hen in a commercial egg facility is slaughtered at about 18mths once her productivity drops. Tell me again how free range involves no cruelty.

qbngeek4:47 pm 13 Aug 12

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

Oh really, there is no way to humanely raise animals to eat? This is what C&G Nerd is talking about. The reason many people are put off is because people like you come on here and spout rubbish and lies about eating chicken is inherently cruel and drinking milk is rape.

I also supported this cause, and signed the petition, however when it came to refer the page on my facebook feed I had a quick read and saw some of the rubbish they were saying and refused to spread it around. Most people in my friends list would have also signed the petition and shared it further. Hence they have done more harm to their cause by carrying on with crap about veganism. What was wrong with a page that said ‘Look at what Wally is doing. He is a prick. Help us stop animal cruelty by signing this petition’. there was no need to try and convert people to veganism.

And back to the ‘All meat is cruel argument’. I hunt a fair chunk of my own meat and it is very very rare that the first shot fails to kill instantly becuase I refuse to ‘spray and pray’ and will only shoot an animal if I am sure of a kill. I also eat chicken that comes from a friends farm who lets them roam a paddock all day and puts them in a shed at night for their own protection, it is not a commercial venture and only his family and mine get the chickens. We slaughter and prepare them ourselves. The meat I do buy either comes direct from the farm or from the few butchers I have known a very long time and trust. There are ways to eat cruelty free meat.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:29 pm 13 Aug 12

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

See youy are starting to do it yourself. It is not cruel to kill a animal. And by saying it is you are spreading the lie. stop it. Death is part of life and yes, of course all animals slaughtered are killed, but not every death is cruel. Its part of nature. survival of the fittest etc etc.
There are plenty of ethical ways to kill a animal. And thats the product i try to buy.
i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty. oh and i eat honey. There is no cruelty in that.

To what end does your enforcing your own views on others stop at? Do you rally against mortein and fly swats? What about cats? They viciously torture birds to death for fun. Do you protest against cats?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:47 pm 13 Aug 12

Malteser said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Malteser said :

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

did you even read the website? its all about going vegan. they are the selfish ones for useingt a seemingly good cause for their own agenda.
Why should i, or anyone else take time out of their precious scheduale when they come on here, say they support the protest and only buy free range pork, then be lied to and abused by vegan nutters who say unless you are vegan you are part of the problem?
why on earth would anyone want to be asociated with that?

Guarantee that if the website was not such a gross push for venaism, your disapointing turn out would have been much better. Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

I’m not vegan yet I think anyone who actually gets off their arse to do something about outing an animal abuser or putting an end to animal abuse should be applauded, no matter what they eat. People who sign petitions, ‘like’ Facebook pages, say they care about animals yet do not ONE thing about trying to stop animal abuse are the nutters.

And if you are intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate and accepting of everyone (not animal abusers though of course!) then why would anyone abuse you? Let alone vegans? Projecting….

Why do you have this view of vegans being responsible for more harm to the animal liberation cause than good? You didn’t even come to the rally yet you have a strong opinion of those who organised it. I’d say there were a few meat eaters there – trust me – they didn’t get abused or lynched for it.

Typical Canberra. All talk, no action. I guess everyone was at Bunnings or Harvey Norman on the weekend.

And all organisations have an agenda d’ah. But the bottom line is their (Animal Liberation Society) agenda is to stop animal abuse. A lot of their members are vegan, big deal. If you decide to stop eating eggs and drinking milk along the way in your support for their cause, then so be it!

You dont appear to have looked at the website or even read most of this thread. Vegan crazys jumped in this thread makeing a lot of lies then were vewry rude when they got called on it. t was only then that i pulled my support. Its not that they are vegan, i myself eat a lot of vegan dishes, its the fact that they are fundamentalist vegans.

Malteser3:30 pm 13 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Malteser said :

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

did you even read the website? its all about going vegan. they are the selfish ones for useingt a seemingly good cause for their own agenda.
Why should i, or anyone else take time out of their precious scheduale when they come on here, say they support the protest and only buy free range pork, then be lied to and abused by vegan nutters who say unless you are vegan you are part of the problem?
why on earth would anyone want to be asociated with that?

Guarantee that if the website was not such a gross push for venaism, your disapointing turn out would have been much better. Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

I’m not vegan yet I think anyone who actually gets off their arse to do something about outing an animal abuser or putting an end to animal abuse should be applauded, no matter what they eat. People who sign petitions, ‘like’ Facebook pages, say they care about animals yet do not ONE thing about trying to stop animal abuse are the nutters.

And if you are intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate and accepting of everyone (not animal abusers though of course!) then why would anyone abuse you? Let alone vegans? Projecting….

Why do you have this view of vegans being responsible for more harm to the animal liberation cause than good? You didn’t even come to the rally yet you have a strong opinion of those who organised it. I’d say there were a few meat eaters there – trust me – they didn’t get abused or lynched for it.

Typical Canberra. All talk, no action. I guess everyone was at Bunnings or Harvey Norman on the weekend.

And all organisations have an agenda d’ah. But the bottom line is their (Animal Liberation Society) agenda is to stop animal abuse. A lot of their members are vegan, big deal. If you decide to stop eating eggs and drinking milk along the way in your support for their cause, then so be it!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:48 pm 13 Aug 12

Malteser said :

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

did you even read the website? its all about going vegan. they are the selfish ones for useingt a seemingly good cause for their own agenda.
Why should i, or anyone else take time out of their precious scheduale when they come on here, say they support the protest and only buy free range pork, then be lied to and abused by vegan nutters who say unless you are vegan you are part of the problem?
why on earth would anyone want to be asociated with that?

Guarantee that if the website was not such a gross push for venaism, your disapointing turn out would have been much better. Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

KB19716:42 am 07 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Seems you are the one trying to deceive. It is neither healthier nor better for the environment to be a vegan. Lies like this is why you peeps are not taken seriously.

Independant organisations say there are health benefits. eg – http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357
The united nations says there are massive environmental benefits. – http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

Who should I believe? Major independant organisations who specialise in nutrition and health, the united nations who analyse the world situation.

Or you, someone who isnt interested in the truth !!!

First article has zero evidence and says no more than it may be healthier. A far more realistic reason as to why a vegan may obtain these results is the lack of bad foods and fast foods. Somebody on a healthy diet including good and well prepared meat would achieve the same, if not better outcome.

Please only post facts and not a article that says its possibly healthier.

Second article is flawed. If meat production is replaced by vegetable production, it’s still going to use the same amount of water, fertiliser and pesticides. It’s going to have processing factories and mass transport. Please only post articles that show both sides instead of single sided ones.

Thats twice in one thread 😉

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:47 pm 06 Aug 12

SunVegCan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Seems you are the one trying to deceive. It is neither healthier nor better for the environment to be a vegan. Lies like this is why you peeps are not taken seriously.

Independant organisations say there are health benefits. eg – http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357
The united nations says there are massive environmental benefits. – http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

Who should I believe? Major independant organisations who specialise in nutrition and health, the united nations who analyse the world situation.

Or you, someone who isnt interested in the truth !!!

First article has zero evidence and says no more than it may be healthier. A far more realistic reason as to why a vegan may obtain these results is the lack of bad foods and fast foods. Somebody on a healthy diet including good and well prepared meat would achieve the same, if not better outcome.

Please only post facts and not a article that says its possibly healthier.

Second article is flawed. If meat production is replaced by vegetable production, it’s still going to use the same amount of water, fertiliser and pesticides. It’s going to have processing factories and mass transport. Please only post articles that show both sides instead of single sided ones.

schmeah7:44 pm 06 Aug 12

Pork Hunt said :

poetix said :

Pork Hunt said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

What is your obsession with “constipated” meat eaters all about? I have a reasonably balanced diet which includes meat for at least two meals daily.
When I go poo poos, I’m always out in one or two minutes and that includes the paper work.
An apple a day and all that…

Does the term Too Much Information mean nothing to some people today?

schmeah started it and keeps using it in his/her argument…

All I sought to do was introduce some sort of humour into your average RA article about animal welfare which, historically have always descended into a “vegans are the scum of the earth” mud fight, with meat eaters and vegos ranting at each other and basically no one gets anywhere. “save meat, eat a vegan” .. there’s only so many times you can keep reciting the same old jokes before someone gets homicidal, so I came up with something new. I also gave up about 4 hours ago and the rest of you kept running with it.

Kthnxbai

KB19712:22 pm 06 Aug 12

SunVegCan said :

KB1971 said :

SunVegCan said :

What makes me sad is that animal cruelty is not “rare” in primary production. It is almost the norm.

I mean seriously would you want to be carted off to an abattoir and stunned with a high voltage then chopped up into small pieces? This is the best case scenario !!!

The worst and very common case you will experience pain, fear and suffering along the way.

It all makes me very sad. Especially when the outcome is worse human health (more heart disease, more cancer, more type 2 diabetes, more strokes, etc) a worse environment (more deforestation, more carbon emissions including methane) as well as the horrible things that happen to the animals.

You know, meat in a balanced diet does not “cause” the deseases you mention, it can be part of the problem. A lot people who have heart disease or type two diebetes have poor lifestyles, they dont excercise, the over eat, eat high fat foods (fried chips have an extraordinary amount of saturated fat) smoke & drink too much, these are more contributing factors than eating meat. Cancers such as bowel, liver, lung & kidney are usually attributed to othere external poisons being placed on ones body, not meat.

Then there are those that are unfortunate enough to have heart disease & dibetes but have a healty lifestyle, luck of the draw.

But, dont let that get in the way of your vego bandwagen.

Recent nutritional research would indicate the optimum amount of meat for your health is ZERO.

“If you step back and look at the data (on beef and cancer), the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero,” said Walter Willett, MD, chair of the Nutrition Department, Harvard School of Public Health, and director of a study of 88,000 American nurses that analyzed the link between diet and colon cancer.

http://business.inquirer.net/66739/eating-meat-increases-cancer-risk-by-up-to-300

Written by Tessa R. Salazar, here are some quoted from her Facebook page:

“Info
About Compassion,pls?! The beef, pork, chicken had their throats slit, limbs hacked off, skin torn from bodies while still conscious;Pigs plunged into vats of scalding water for hair removal while conscious;; chickens scalded alive in feather-removal tanks”

“Favorite Quotes
“Alas, what wickedness to swallow flesh into our own flesh, to fatten our greedy bodies by cramming in other bodies, to have one living creature fed by the death of another! In the midst of such wealth as earth, the best of mothers, provides, nothing forsooth satisfies you, but to behave like the Cyclopes, inflicting sorry wounds with cruel teeth! …You cannot appease the hungry cravings of your wicked, gluttonous stomachs except by destroying some other life.” – Depicted in : The Metamorphoses, translated by Mary M.Innes”

https://www.facebook.com/tsalazarph

Dont get me wrong, I am totally against the mistreatment of animals on farms (I am from a farming background) but I am certainly not going to take any notice of an acticle that is written by someone who is not objective.

BTW, if you rear that article, it does talk about the excessive consumption & eating red meat every day. Eating red meat every day is not a part of a balanced diet as I was describing, also the portions of meat many people eat are way too big but there is nothing conclusive yet about the instances of meat & colon cancer.

There is more evidence to say that people who do not eat enough fibre are more prone to colon bowel cancers. I agree that fruit and vegitables are extremely important part of a diet.

SunVegCan2:00 pm 06 Aug 12

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

I guess what i am trying to say is why take an important issue as the one above that we can try and get poeple involved and make life for animals better, and then make it all about you by saying”oohhh look at me, I’m soooo much better then you because I don’t eat meat”.

People like you who do this take animal rights back a decade by sheer turning people off listening.

Shocking revelation for everyone. Not every vegan on the planet communicates the message in a constructive fashion. Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

trickyxr12:43 pm 06 Aug 12

CHW said :

… Just no words…

Actually the locals out in Murrumbateman and Yass have known for years something was very wrong with that piggery – some of the local youths get jobs there, I think, although I understood that no-one stayed there for long, and there was an air of “things that should never have been seen” about the experience from the locals who mentioned it… So it seemed common knowledge that it was a hell-hole, but small townspeople don’t get involved in that sort of thing…

When I was working out at the Murrumbateman pub a decade or so ago, one of Wally’s sons used to come in and pick up the garbage bins from the kitchen to feed the pigs with.

Mind you, it *was* illegal to feed pigs like that. The then cook explained to me that we had to keep it quiet, of course (or they would all get in trouble, is the impression I was left with).

In fact, at one point in the video, I am pretty sure the trog in the red jumper is the … individual (finding it hard to refrain from more descriptive labels for him) that sorted through the kitchen waste and put his pickings in a black garbage bag…

When I connect the dots, it appears to me now that the cook and the pub owner and the other locals from whom I heard about the piggery were extremely leery of Wally… as in, “reminds me of this guy called Ivan Milat” leery…

I dont like the man and hated when i worked for him for a few months many years ago, Some corrections to your statment,Wally doesnt have any sons there is over 500 pigs at the place and i never heard of him collecting scraps from the pub to feed the pigs, it would be a waste of time. He actually fed them pretty well because the better feed they are the faster they grow the quicker he can sell them. Th rspce came out when i worked there that was over 20 years ago nothing has changed in all that time. I hope he can be shut down or made to clean up his act. I doubt he could stay on the straight and narrow as he is a crime.You think he treats his pigs bad you should see how he treats his staff and worse his wife and daughters. Im glad this has come to light and hope something is done not just in the short turn but for ever. I also think he has another farm or business somewhere else in the state.

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