4 August 2012

Piggery footage reveals horrendous cruelty outside Canberra

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Animal Liberation ACT, in conjunction with Animal Liberation NSW has launched a campaign – Australian Pig Farming: The Inside Story following several months of investigation into Wally’s Piggery, a piggery just 20 mins from Canberra.
Please visit www.aussiepigs.com.au to learn more and find out how you can help the thousands of pigs that are subjected to cruelty on this farm and by the pig industry.

The ABC has reported the story.

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Come on … in the end almost everything revolves around dudes oiling themselves up and posing for other dudes.

Well you would say that, wouldn’t you.

poetix said :

muscledude_oz said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

Health and protein to fat ratios are not really the issues here, you know. You really can’t make a decision on every moral or political conundrum purely by the implications for bodybuilding.

Come on … in the end almost everything revolves around dudes oiling themselves up and posing for other dudes.

It’s totally not gay.

muscledude_oz said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

Health and protein to fat ratios are not really the issues here, you know. You really can’t make a decision on every moral or political conundrum purely by the implications for bodybuilding.

neanderthalsis1:20 pm 13 Jun 13

jasmine said :

This is an issue that is not just about vegetarianism/veganism but the ethics of food production and farming meat. There is nothing loopy about approaching meat production from a humanitarian point of view. The pictures of that piggery are disgusting, there is no excuse for this method of farming. Battery farming may not be ‘rape’ in the legal sense but it certainly lacks compassion for the welfare of the animal and is a torturous existence for hens. As consumers we can make a choice, or even go one step further an have your own backyard chooks.

Some of us choose to hunt our own meat. You can be guaranteed a free range venison or boar roast, rabbit pie, baked trout or redfin that was killed cleanly and humanely if you catch or shoot and butcher it yourself. You also get to commune with nature and get some exercise as you hike through state forests or meander along the banks of a quiet stream. You also help the environment and the preservation of native flora and fauna by removing introduced species from the ecosystem.

So kiddies, don’t turn vegan, turn hunter. You know it makes sense.

muscledude_oz said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

I think you’ll find that most people eat bacon BECAUSE IT’S AWESOME!!!

Very few of us are interested in oiling ourselves up and standing around half-naked flexing for the other guys in the gym to watch.

You might have better luck pitching this info to the new bar in Dickson I’ve heard so much about.

muscledude_oz10:59 am 13 Jun 13

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Bacon is probably the most unhealthy meat you can buy. Very little protein, almost all fat. Avoid it like the plague if you are competing or on a bulking or cutting cycle. In fact avoid it altogether. The best meat to eat if you are into fitness or bodybuilding is kangaroo – high protein, almost zero fat.

There seems to be a swing away from bacon anyway. A few days ago I visited Woolies and the infamous $5.99 1kg Home Brand packs of bacon were gone and replaced by 300g packs. A case of Woolies being a good corporate citizen or a more health conscious society? Hopefully both.

FreddyVegan said :

Activists from Animal Liberation can today confirm that both of Wally Perenc’s piggeries have CLOSED DOWN. A big thank you to everyone who called, emailed, or otherwise expressed their outrage, or raised awareness about pig farming in Australia by sharing our photos and videos.

However… Wally’s Piggery was never just a “rogue operator”. Animal Liberation has obtained the following horrifying footage from Ean Pollard’s Lansdowne Piggery in Young NSW, where hundreds and hundreds of pregnant pigs scream and thrash, trying in vain to escape their tiny metal cages (known as sow stalls) while showing signs of insanity and starvation. The single eight minute continuous shot isn’t “graphic”, but it’s still very difficult to sit through. Right now, hundreds of thousands of pigs across Australia are suffering in cages just like these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y61YsJxEQ2s

Ean Pollard is the Chairman of the NSW Farmers Pork Committee – he’s a big name in the industry. The footage was originally to be aired by Channel Seven’s Today Tonight, who went to talk to Ean prior to a formal on-camera interview. He said he wouldn’t show them his sow stalls; when they told him they already had footage of his sow stalls, he apparently “freaked”. The day before the interview was to take place, the story was cancelled without explanation.

We’ve just relaunched our website, http://www.aussiepigs.com.au, where we’ll be adding more and more investigations. Here you can see photos from Lansdowne (with more photos and videos of the rest of the piggery coming soon), and additional videos from Allain’s Piggery and from Wally’s Piggery, including what it now looks like as an empty, haunting reminder of the hell that was once hidden within its crumbling walls. It’s important to remember that, were it not for the illegal instrusion by Animal Liberation activists, Wally would still now, one year later, be bludgeoning pigs to death with a sledgehammer.

The attack on the piggery in Young has made the front page of today’s edition of The Land. The other media have ignored it. I wonder why?

Activists from Animal Liberation can today confirm that both of Wally Perenc’s piggeries have CLOSED DOWN. A big thank you to everyone who called, emailed, or otherwise expressed their outrage, or raised awareness about pig farming in Australia by sharing our photos and videos.

However… Wally’s Piggery was never just a “rogue operator”. Animal Liberation has obtained the following horrifying footage from Ean Pollard’s Lansdowne Piggery in Young NSW, where hundreds and hundreds of pregnant pigs scream and thrash, trying in vain to escape their tiny metal cages (known as sow stalls) while showing signs of insanity and starvation. The single eight minute continuous shot isn’t “graphic”, but it’s still very difficult to sit through. Right now, hundreds of thousands of pigs across Australia are suffering in cages just like these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y61YsJxEQ2s

Ean Pollard is the Chairman of the NSW Farmers Pork Committee – he’s a big name in the industry. The footage was originally to be aired by Channel Seven’s Today Tonight, who went to talk to Ean prior to a formal on-camera interview. He said he wouldn’t show them his sow stalls; when they told him they already had footage of his sow stalls, he apparently “freaked”. The day before the interview was to take place, the story was cancelled without explanation.

We’ve just relaunched our website, http://www.aussiepigs.com.au, where we’ll be adding more and more investigations. Here you can see photos from Lansdowne (with more photos and videos of the rest of the piggery coming soon), and additional videos from Allain’s Piggery and from Wally’s Piggery, including what it now looks like as an empty, haunting reminder of the hell that was once hidden within its crumbling walls. It’s important to remember that, were it not for the illegal instrusion by Animal Liberation activists, Wally would still now, one year later, be bludgeoning pigs to death with a sledgehammer.

FreddyVegan said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Absolutely, unfortunately the RSPCA does not share this view and Wally Perenc continues to operate.

I thought the RSPCA was trying to get a case together to take to the courts?

My own view is that I don’t eat meat, and I’ll only buy free range/organic meat for Mr Poetix. And he has to cook it and eat it in the dog kennel. (That’s a joke. We don’t have a dog kennel.)

FreddyVegan said :

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Absolutely, unfortunately the RSPCA does not share this view and Wally Perenc continues to operate.

I trust the RSPCA more than a bunch of ideologues when it comes to such decisions.

Pitchka said :

I love Bacon.. That is all..

Just shut the place down.

Cruelty is cruelty.

That is all.

Absolutely, unfortunately the RSPCA does not share this view and Wally Perenc continues to operate.

Animals are people too!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd10:10 am 22 Nov 12

Hack mentioned this place in a story on i think tuesday.

The vegan/vego vs omnivore debate isn’t binary. It’s not as though the options are ‘crazy vegan’ or ‘indifferent meat eater’, it’s a gradient. If everyone reduced their dependence on factory-farmed meat just a little (a meat-free day or two a week), the industry would suffer and the message that their practices are unacceptable might finally be received.

I love Bacon.. That is all..

UPDATE:
A few days ago, activists returned to Wally’s Piggery. For the moment, the farrowing sheds are empty – there are no sows or piglets on site. A large number of grower pigs (2-6 months) remain, in the same filthy conditions seen four months earlier.

In the slaughter room, activists found a pig’s head underneath a chair, pools of fresh blood on the floor and cutting table, blood spatter on the walls, blood and fur in the scalding tank, and a new mallet, all indicating that Wally is continuing to illegally bludgeon and kill his pigs, right under the nose of the authorities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aSXcL7-_D9Y#!

The Canberra Times has also reported the story

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/cruel-piggery-continues-to-operate-20121113-299sw.html

EvanJames said :

Deref said :

Antagonist said :

EvanJames said :

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash BS being pushed by vegan extremists, so they decided not to support it.

Well said. Vegans hijacking a worthy cause to push their own silliness – by supporting the former, you run the risk of being assumed to support the latter.

Quite right. After all, all those pigs suffering, well they should choose better people to expose their plight and try to do something about it. Not those silly vegans.

But stand up for your beliefs! Stuff the brutalised pigs! You’ll not support the cause because the vegans are annoying! Yeah! That’ll show them!

Never mind the fact that I actually signed the petition and i have sent a letter to my local member advising how disgusted I am. All I refused to do was promote a website full of biased and agenda-pushing rubbish that had very little to do with the cause.

poetix said :

HenryBG said :

mos said :

HenryBG said :

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

I, and many people I know, live very well without animal products. I won’t get into name calling like you – just read http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

The jury is still out on the benefits of an all goat diet though.

At the very least it is a tasty diet…

mos said :

HenryBG said :

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

Those awesome things on the human female chest

EvanJames said :

Deref said :

Antagonist said :

EvanJames said :

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash BS being pushed by vegan extremists, so they decided not to support it.

Well said. Vegans hijacking a worthy cause to push their own silliness – by supporting the former, you run the risk of being assumed to support the latter.

Quite right. After all, all those pigs suffering, well they should choose better people to expose their plight and try to do something about it. Not those silly vegans.

But stand up for your beliefs! Stuff the brutalised pigs! You’ll not support the cause because the vegans are annoying! Yeah! That’ll show them!

Like your style Evan James. If people were 100% fully concerned – nothing would stand in their way.

Deref said :

Antagonist said :

EvanJames said :

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash BS being pushed by vegan extremists, so they decided not to support it.

Well said. Vegans hijacking a worthy cause to push their own silliness – by supporting the former, you run the risk of being assumed to support the latter.

Quite right. After all, all those pigs suffering, well they should choose better people to expose their plight and try to do something about it. Not those silly vegans.

But stand up for your beliefs! Stuff the brutalised pigs! You’ll not support the cause because the vegans are annoying! Yeah! That’ll show them!

Jivrashia said :

poetix said :

mos said :

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

They are digital crop circles.

Why are we talking about CanTurf now? Cruelty to truf?

I’m just a herby bore.

poetix said :

mos said :

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

They are digital crop circles.

Why are we talking about CanTurf now? Cruelty to truf?

mos said :

HenryBG said :

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

They are digital crop circles.

mos said :

HenryBG said :

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

Dust particles.

I can’t bring myself to look at that web site as I get too upset.

These stories are just more reasons I don’t eat meat.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I got some awesome bacon from griffith as suggested in this thread.

ace 🙂

colourful sydney racing identity2:06 pm 14 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

Stevian said :

HenryBG said :

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

I’m sure you are completely incapable of appreciating the irony of you accusing someone of IQ problems and stunted brain development. POT KETTLE BLACK

I’ll go head-to-head with you or any other vegan in an IQ test anytime you like.

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

whatever. I have never known a vegan to throw rocks at prostitutes.

mos said :

HenryBG said :

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

My thoughts exactly.

HenryBG said :

mos said :

HenryBG said :

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

I, and many people I know, live very well without animal products. I won’t get into name calling like you – just read http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

The jury is still out on the benefits of an all goat diet though.

Antagonist said :

EvanJames said :

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash BS being pushed by vegan extremists, so they decided not to support it.

Well said. Vegans hijacking a worthy cause to push their own silliness – by supporting the former, you run the risk of being assumed to support the latter.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:58 am 14 Aug 12

mos said :

HenryBG said :

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

Just learn to not read henrybgs posts. he is resident(bad at) troll. its the same guy trying to say its impossible to be healthy on a vegan diet and describing your own health without even seeing a pic of you, let alone any blood work or doctors reports.

HenryBG said :

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

What the feck are ‘Orbs’???

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:50 am 14 Aug 12

Antagonist said :

EvanJames said :

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash BS being pushed by vegan extremists, so they decided not to support it.

Yes, the pun was intentional.

Could not have really said it better.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:50 am 14 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

Stevian said :

HenryBG said :

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

I’m sure you are completely incapable of appreciating the irony of you accusing someone of IQ problems and stunted brain development. POT KETTLE BLACK

I’ll go head-to-head with you or any other vegan in an IQ test anytime you like.

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

Iq tests have been proven that they in no way determine how smart somebody is.

Antagonist said :

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash ……

Careful what you say. I’m sure the Animal Liberationists consider washing hogs to be the equivalent of water boarding detainees.

You wouldn’t want to have the pale, iron deficient , cranky vegan hordes, with perfect bowel movements, come after you.

EvanJames said :

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Incorrect. Allow me to set you straight. Some (prolific) posters here were prepared to join the actoin, but decided they didn’t like the hogwash BS being pushed by vegan extremists, so they decided not to support it.

Yes, the pun was intentional.

Stevian said :

HenryBG said :

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

I’m sure you are completely incapable of appreciating the irony of you accusing someone of IQ problems and stunted brain development. POT KETTLE BLACK

I’ll go head-to-head with you or any other vegan in an IQ test anytime you like.

The thing about vegans is that they believe in Orbs and other such nutty stuff as well. That pretty much guarantees they can’t achieve much in an IQ test.

So, let me get this straight. Some (prolific) posters here say that they cared for a bit about the cruelty revealed at Wally’s Piggery, and would have joined in the action, but decided they didn’t like the vegan message being pushed by those running the campaign against it, so they decided not to support it any more.

Idiocracy was a documentary, wasn’t it?

I think it is due to the working conditions and the using of drugs by the workers.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd8:43 pm 13 Aug 12

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

See youy are starting to do it yourself. It is not cruel to kill a animal. And by saying it is you are spreading the lie. stop it. Death is part of life and yes, of course all animals slaughtered are killed, but not every death is cruel. Its part of nature. survival of the fittest etc etc.
There are plenty of ethical ways to kill a animal. And thats the product i try to buy.
i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty. oh and i eat honey. There is no cruelty in that.

To what end does your enforcing your own views on others stop at? Do you rally against mortein and fly swats? What about cats? They viciously torture birds to death for fun. Do you protest against cats?

>”i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty.”.

For each hen hatched a male is also hatched. He’s of no use for egss or meat so he and the millions of others like him are minced alive or gassed at the age of 1 day. Also – every laying hen in a commercial egg facility is slaughtered at about 18mths once her productivity drops. Tell me again how free range involves no cruelty.

I see you are lying again. There is nothing cruel in any part of your post.
Stop trying to say that lies are facts.

HenryBG said :

mos said :

HenryBG said :

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

I, and many people I know, live very well without animal products. I won’t get into name calling like you – just read http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

I’m sure you are completely incapable of appreciating the irony of you accusing someone of IQ problems and stunted brain development. POT KETTLE BLACK

HenryBG said :

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

I AM vegan – have been for over 8 years – vegetarian for 12 years before that. I assume you’re joking when you pretend to describe my physiology and health without knowing anything about me. Or perhaps you were serious so I’ll paste a little from that link just in case …
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.”

All my blood levels are fine (I check them on significant birthdays).

So, again, it’s simple. We can live very well without animal sourced foods. The production of those foods causes stress, pain and death to sentient animals. Therefore I don’t believe we can justify such use of animals for unnecessary products.

To your later post – my comment on the slaughter of layer hens was in response to a claim that free-range eggs did not involve cruelty.

I believe that taking the life of a nonhuman is cruel – there is no such thing as ‘humane slaughter’. Animals will choose life if given the choice – they run from predators or fight to defend themselves. They have the capacity to enjoy their lives. Taking their life is wrong in the same way that taking a human life is wrong.

And I have several younger friends who are raising healthy, thriving vegan kids from infancy onwards – exactly as the ADA says above. What is cruel is to feed kids dead animals without telling them exactly what they’re eating.

mos said :

….every laying hen in a commercial egg facility is slaughtered at about 18mths once her productivity drops. Tell me again how free range involves no cruelty.

This is exactly how you keep hens. When they stop laying, you eat them.

And here’s the clue you’re unsuccessfully (so far) grasping for: Killing an animal and/or eating it does not constitute cruelty.
Cruelty is something completely different.
For example, inflicting an unnatural diet devoid of some vital constituents onto an underage human is absolutely cruel. Let’s hope none of our vegans here are guilty of child abuse in this manner, eh?

mos said :

HenryBG said :

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

I, and many people I know, live very well without animal products. I won’t get into name calling like you – just read http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357

Glad it works for you. It DOES NOT work for everyone. Tried it for 12 months – with the guidance of a dietician and a doctor who were BOTH vegan. I was sick the whole time, chronic anemia and several other conditions. We tried everything (my body doesnt tolerate iron or calcium supplements), I really didn’t want to spend the rest of my life getting iron injections every 6 weeks! in the end we ALL came to the conclusion that it wasn’t going to work for me.

I fully support the ethical treatment of animals and make sure that I know exactly where all my animal products come from. When I go to animal welfare websites and discussions I do not want to be bombarded by this kind “holier than thou” attitude, and I DO NOT want to be told “you just have to try harder”, “give it another go, it will work”, “It works for me, it WILL work for you” because it doesn’t – you are just losing support for what is a very worthy cause by continuing on like this. Get back on topic.

mos said :

HenryBG said :

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

I, and many people I know, live very well without animal products. I won’t get into name calling like you – just read http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357

It’s not possible. Our bodies are designed to be fed from a rung or two up the food chain. We are not herbivores.
You are frail and unhealthy with vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency, unnatural pallor and depressed immune systems, not to mention the IQ problems caused by stunted brain development due to vital B-group vitamins being absent from your diet. And vegans are even worse.
Actually the worst thing about you is having to listen to you trying to order your Fussy Meal(TM) at the restaurant. Get a grip you complete loons.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

See youy are starting to do it yourself. It is not cruel to kill a animal. And by saying it is you are spreading the lie. stop it. Death is part of life and yes, of course all animals slaughtered are killed, but not every death is cruel. Its part of nature. survival of the fittest etc etc.
There are plenty of ethical ways to kill a animal. And thats the product i try to buy.
i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty. oh and i eat honey. There is no cruelty in that.

To what end does your enforcing your own views on others stop at? Do you rally against mortein and fly swats? What about cats? They viciously torture birds to death for fun. Do you protest against cats?

>”i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty.”.

For each hen hatched a male is also hatched. He’s of no use for egss or meat so he and the millions of others like him are minced alive or gassed at the age of 1 day. Also – every laying hen in a commercial egg facility is slaughtered at about 18mths once her productivity drops. Tell me again how free range involves no cruelty.

HenryBG said :

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

I, and many people I know, live very well without animal products. I won’t get into name calling like you – just read http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd5:41 pm 13 Aug 12

Malteser said :

Ok, I understand what Comic Guy and Qbngeek are saying. But please don’t let your experience or opinion of a handful of vegans stop you from getting involved in protests or rallies to stop animal cruelty and abuse. I want exactly the same as what you guys want. I know everyone in the world isn’t going to become a vegetarian, let alone a vegan. But I know most people want to support a more ethical treatment of animals and put an end to horrendous mass factory farming and other such practices. But people power is how this will change. All different types of people. Don’t be selfish because you don’t like how a person expresses their views.

Unity requires respect from both sides. People don’t get to act like jerks then wonder why people are not sympathetic to their veiws.
I would love a unified stand against cruelty to animals, but let’s be real here, me and peeps like me are not the ones stopping it.

I am a meat-eater and make no apologies for that. I think, though, most people (vegan or otherwise) are horrified at animal cruelty such as the type going on at Wally’s.

Why is it so hard to ensure that the animals we eat are treated in a kind and humane way ? Who is supposed to be inspecting farms to ensure this level of cruelty doesn’t happen ? This is what we need to be looking at. We need to ensure “farms” like this low-life is running are properly inspected.

I sincerely hope Wally goes to gaol but I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and he will quietly resume at a later date.

mos said :

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) …

No it isn’t, nutter.
Our species has evolved on an omnivorous diet. Your inability to partake of the omnivorous diet which is all at once natural, healthy and required by our bodies would be best addressed not by the emission of holier-than-thou sermons, but by attendance at the psychiatric facility of your choosing.

Ok, I understand what Comic Guy and Qbngeek are saying. But please don’t let your experience or opinion of a handful of vegans stop you from getting involved in protests or rallies to stop animal cruelty and abuse. I want exactly the same as what you guys want. I know everyone in the world isn’t going to become a vegetarian, let alone a vegan. But I know most people want to support a more ethical treatment of animals and put an end to horrendous mass factory farming and other such practices. But people power is how this will change. All different types of people. Don’t be selfish because you don’t like how a person expresses their views.

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

Oh really, there is no way to humanely raise animals to eat? This is what C&G Nerd is talking about. The reason many people are put off is because people like you come on here and spout rubbish and lies about eating chicken is inherently cruel and drinking milk is rape.

I also supported this cause, and signed the petition, however when it came to refer the page on my facebook feed I had a quick read and saw some of the rubbish they were saying and refused to spread it around. Most people in my friends list would have also signed the petition and shared it further. Hence they have done more harm to their cause by carrying on with crap about veganism. What was wrong with a page that said ‘Look at what Wally is doing. He is a prick. Help us stop animal cruelty by signing this petition’. there was no need to try and convert people to veganism.

And back to the ‘All meat is cruel argument’. I hunt a fair chunk of my own meat and it is very very rare that the first shot fails to kill instantly becuase I refuse to ‘spray and pray’ and will only shoot an animal if I am sure of a kill. I also eat chicken that comes from a friends farm who lets them roam a paddock all day and puts them in a shed at night for their own protection, it is not a commercial venture and only his family and mine get the chickens. We slaughter and prepare them ourselves. The meat I do buy either comes direct from the farm or from the few butchers I have known a very long time and trust. There are ways to eat cruelty free meat.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:29 pm 13 Aug 12

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

See youy are starting to do it yourself. It is not cruel to kill a animal. And by saying it is you are spreading the lie. stop it. Death is part of life and yes, of course all animals slaughtered are killed, but not every death is cruel. Its part of nature. survival of the fittest etc etc.
There are plenty of ethical ways to kill a animal. And thats the product i try to buy.
i only buy free range eggs aswell, something that involves no cruelty. oh and i eat honey. There is no cruelty in that.

To what end does your enforcing your own views on others stop at? Do you rally against mortein and fly swats? What about cats? They viciously torture birds to death for fun. Do you protest against cats?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Billions of animals are harmed and killed by the meat, dairy and egg industries every year. This concept that ‘you live you life and I’ll live mine’ is fine – until others are hurt by what you do. For instance (and no, I’m not suggesting that non-vegans are as bad as people who molest children) someone who choses to be a paedophile does not have the right to be left to live his life as he would like.

I think the line you were looking for is, ” Why vegan? … it’s the only way to be sure your food is coming from an ethical source.” That’s not a lie. There is cruelty and death in every animal based product. Free range animals all end up in the same slaughterhouse as their ‘factory-farmed’ brothers and sisters and it can never be humane to take the life of an animal who has the capacity to enjoy her life.

Like I said earlier, if it’s possible to live well without animal products (and it is) and all animal products involve, at the minimum, the confinement and killing of sentient animals – how can it be ethical to continue to use them just because we like the taste?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:47 pm 13 Aug 12

Malteser said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Malteser said :

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

did you even read the website? its all about going vegan. they are the selfish ones for useingt a seemingly good cause for their own agenda.
Why should i, or anyone else take time out of their precious scheduale when they come on here, say they support the protest and only buy free range pork, then be lied to and abused by vegan nutters who say unless you are vegan you are part of the problem?
why on earth would anyone want to be asociated with that?

Guarantee that if the website was not such a gross push for venaism, your disapointing turn out would have been much better. Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

I’m not vegan yet I think anyone who actually gets off their arse to do something about outing an animal abuser or putting an end to animal abuse should be applauded, no matter what they eat. People who sign petitions, ‘like’ Facebook pages, say they care about animals yet do not ONE thing about trying to stop animal abuse are the nutters.

And if you are intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate and accepting of everyone (not animal abusers though of course!) then why would anyone abuse you? Let alone vegans? Projecting….

Why do you have this view of vegans being responsible for more harm to the animal liberation cause than good? You didn’t even come to the rally yet you have a strong opinion of those who organised it. I’d say there were a few meat eaters there – trust me – they didn’t get abused or lynched for it.

Typical Canberra. All talk, no action. I guess everyone was at Bunnings or Harvey Norman on the weekend.

And all organisations have an agenda d’ah. But the bottom line is their (Animal Liberation Society) agenda is to stop animal abuse. A lot of their members are vegan, big deal. If you decide to stop eating eggs and drinking milk along the way in your support for their cause, then so be it!

You dont appear to have looked at the website or even read most of this thread. Vegan crazys jumped in this thread makeing a lot of lies then were vewry rude when they got called on it. t was only then that i pulled my support. Its not that they are vegan, i myself eat a lot of vegan dishes, its the fact that they are fundamentalist vegans.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Malteser said :

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

did you even read the website? its all about going vegan. they are the selfish ones for useingt a seemingly good cause for their own agenda.
Why should i, or anyone else take time out of their precious scheduale when they come on here, say they support the protest and only buy free range pork, then be lied to and abused by vegan nutters who say unless you are vegan you are part of the problem?
why on earth would anyone want to be asociated with that?

Guarantee that if the website was not such a gross push for venaism, your disapointing turn out would have been much better. Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

I’m not vegan yet I think anyone who actually gets off their arse to do something about outing an animal abuser or putting an end to animal abuse should be applauded, no matter what they eat. People who sign petitions, ‘like’ Facebook pages, say they care about animals yet do not ONE thing about trying to stop animal abuse are the nutters.

And if you are intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate and accepting of everyone (not animal abusers though of course!) then why would anyone abuse you? Let alone vegans? Projecting….

Why do you have this view of vegans being responsible for more harm to the animal liberation cause than good? You didn’t even come to the rally yet you have a strong opinion of those who organised it. I’d say there were a few meat eaters there – trust me – they didn’t get abused or lynched for it.

Typical Canberra. All talk, no action. I guess everyone was at Bunnings or Harvey Norman on the weekend.

And all organisations have an agenda d’ah. But the bottom line is their (Animal Liberation Society) agenda is to stop animal abuse. A lot of their members are vegan, big deal. If you decide to stop eating eggs and drinking milk along the way in your support for their cause, then so be it!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:29 pm 13 Aug 12

mos said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

What is it about veganism that concerns you lot? It’s simply a way of living that rejects use of – and harm to – sentient animals where such treatment is unnecessary. If it’s possible to live very well without harming animals (and it is) why would you NOT do it?

And maybe you can tell us where the lies are on that website.

I dont think anybody has any concerns with vegans in general, its the fundy nutbags who attack anybody who is not vegan that i have a problem with. They are no better than relegious zealots trying to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. You live your life and i will live mine, its a pretty basic concept to grasp.

Off the top of my head, one of the first lines on that website is that the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go vegan. A blatant lie. There are many ethical ways to raise and slaughter animals or get milk eggs etc etc.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

What is it about veganism that concerns you lot? It’s simply a way of living that rejects use of – and harm to – sentient animals where such treatment is unnecessary. If it’s possible to live very well without harming animals (and it is) why would you NOT do it?

And maybe you can tell us where the lies are on that website.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:48 pm 13 Aug 12

Malteser said :

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

did you even read the website? its all about going vegan. they are the selfish ones for useingt a seemingly good cause for their own agenda.
Why should i, or anyone else take time out of their precious scheduale when they come on here, say they support the protest and only buy free range pork, then be lied to and abused by vegan nutters who say unless you are vegan you are part of the problem?
why on earth would anyone want to be asociated with that?

Guarantee that if the website was not such a gross push for venaism, your disapointing turn out would have been much better. Maybe instead of apologising for the liars who are doing more harm to animal rights than good, have a good look at them and you will soon realise the problem is not with me.

Deref said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

It sounds like you guys are just hiding behind this as an excuse because you cannot be bothered nor care enough to actually show support to those trying to stop animal cruelty. No??

That’s the problem with Australia – we all say we care and ‘like’ posts on facebook etc but when it comes down to walking the walk only a handfull actually do.

I was there on the weekend and was not impressed by the turn out at the rally. This isn’t about going vegan or not areeging with some words on a website. It is trying to put an end to animal cruelty, trying to get the Government to implement stricter punishments for those that are cruel to animals and just keeping it on everyone’s radar so people like Wally know we f*cking hate animal cruelty. That’s what this is all about – ending cruelty towards animals.

It actually sh*ts me Comic Nerd that you now will not support this petition because you don’t like the website. So the poor pigs who need humans as a voice have to suffer because people like you can’t put their silly arguments to the side?? Selfish.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Yep. A pity to see a good cause ruined by loonies.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:46 pm 11 Aug 12

EvanJames said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

A “good cause”? Did you have someone do an analysis of it for you, before you came to that conclusion?

Did one myself, bro.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

A “good cause”? Did you have someone do an analysis of it for you, before you came to that conclusion?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd8:05 pm 11 Aug 12

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Yep. They could do so much better and bring so many more people towards the problems at hand.
It’s exactly the same as somebody telling you about a awful situation, and you can help, but first before you can do anything to help, you must accept lord jebus into your heart.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Typical Animal Lib/PETA type nutters.

They take an issue that should be an absolute no-brainer and then turn people against it (and them) with their abuse of omnivores, idealogical preaching and outright lies.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

EvanJames said :

http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/act if you want to sign the petition to shut Wally’s Piggery down. And all like it.

Bad website with loads of misinformation.

Jesus cock, why can’t they just do a good cause like shutting this piggery down without lying about the benefits of vegan ism or trying to force it on others.

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

Thank you for your feedback regarding our website, It is unfortunate you no longer wish to be associated with such an important cause, I do hope you reconsider this decision.

I blame violent computer games. I’ve seen this games where pigs are treated very badly, mind you, by birds, not people. It all counts, though.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:04 am 11 Aug 12

EvanJames said :

http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/act if you want to sign the petition to shut Wally’s Piggery down. And all like it.

Bad website with loads of misinformation.

Jesus cock, why can’t they just do a good cause like shutting this piggery down without lying about the benefits of vegan ism or trying to force it on others.

Thought this was a good cause but cannot be associated with it now.

http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/act if you want to sign the petition to shut Wally’s Piggery down. And all like it.

Jim Jones said :

maniac said :

FreddyVegan said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

Will there be a free barbeque?

After the rally on Saturday there will be free vegan cake at the Food Co-op, 3 Kingsley St. Organic fair-trade coffee will be for sale. The Co op is only a few minutes walk away from the protest.

Hope you can make it!

I must say I laughed so much at the vegans promoting their unscientific beliefs on here. Really, if they had any sort of scientific nuance they would get off their high horse and eat it.

Really veganism or even vegetarianism is not natural for homo sapiens and indeed leads to extinction: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/08/08/early-meat-eating-human-ancestors-thrived-while-vegetarian-hominin-died-out/

So next time someone tells you it is not natural or necessary to eat meat, just laugh and say its all in your dna.

The blog post you’re referring to finishes by contradicting your *cough* “scientific” *cough* argument:

“However, just because a meatier diet was good for our early Homo forbearers does not necessarily it will keep each of us contemporary humans alive longer. Now that we no longer have to fend for ourselves in quite the same way, increased red meat consumption has actually been linked to shorter individual life spans. So next time you’re flummoxed by food choices, don’t be afraid to go a little Paranthropus and hit the salad bar.”

Don’t you just love it when people don’t read their own arguments. It makes them look like exactly what they are… complete idiots.

maniac said :

FreddyVegan said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

Will there be a free barbeque?

After the rally on Saturday there will be free vegan cake at the Food Co-op, 3 Kingsley St. Organic fair-trade coffee will be for sale. The Co op is only a few minutes walk away from the protest.

Hope you can make it!

I must say I laughed so much at the vegans promoting their unscientific beliefs on here. Really, if they had any sort of scientific nuance they would get off their high horse and eat it.

Really veganism or even vegetarianism is not natural for homo sapiens and indeed leads to extinction: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/08/08/early-meat-eating-human-ancestors-thrived-while-vegetarian-hominin-died-out/

So next time someone tells you it is not natural or necessary to eat meat, just laugh and say its all in your dna.

The blog post you’re referring to finishes by contradicting your *cough* “scientific” *cough* argument:

“However, just because a meatier diet was good for our early Homo forbearers does not necessarily it will keep each of us contemporary humans alive longer. Now that we no longer have to fend for ourselves in quite the same way, increased red meat consumption has actually been linked to shorter individual life spans. So next time you’re flummoxed by food choices, don’t be afraid to go a little Paranthropus and hit the salad bar.”

FreddyVegan said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

Will there be a free barbeque?

After the rally on Saturday there will be free vegan cake at the Food Co-op, 3 Kingsley St. Organic fair-trade coffee will be for sale. The Co op is only a few minutes walk away from the protest.

Hope you can make it!

I must say I laughed so much at the vegans promoting their unscientific beliefs on here. Really, if they had any sort of scientific nuance they would get off their high horse and eat it.

Really veganism or even vegetarianism is not natural for homo sapiens and indeed leads to extinction: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/08/08/early-meat-eating-human-ancestors-thrived-while-vegetarian-hominin-died-out/

So next time someone tells you it is not natural or necessary to eat meat, just laugh and say its all in your dna.

colourful sydney racing identity2:26 pm 09 Aug 12

johnboy said :

It’s not much of a choice though is it? Local producers treating animals inhumanely or the danish stuff coming out of vast factory combines and pumped up with water and sulfides.

Or free range pork from Griffith butchers.

FreddyVegan said :

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

Will there be a free barbeque?

After the rally on Saturday there will be free vegan cake at the Food Co-op, 3 Kingsley St. Organic fair-trade coffee will be for sale. The Co op is only a few minutes walk away from the protest.

Hope you can make it!

Nup, I will be waxing my legs so my lycra slides on better.

colourful sydney racing identity12:14 pm 09 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I got some awesome bacon from griffith as suggested in this thread.

Best bacon I have ever had.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:08 pm 09 Aug 12

I got some awesome bacon from griffith as suggested in this thread.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

Will there be a free barbeque?

After the rally on Saturday there will be free vegan cake at the Food Co-op, 3 Kingsley St. Organic fair-trade coffee will be for sale. The Co op is only a few minutes walk away from the protest.

Hope you can make it!

johnboy said :

It’s not much of a choice though is it? Local producers treating animals inhumanely or the danish stuff coming out of vast factory combines and pumped up with water and sulfides.

So give it up. Tofu on toast is just fantastic.

MsCheeky said :

I just came to this thread and read the comments, then decided to have a look at the footage. I couldn’t watch it all. Forget hijacking the thread on vegan v meat eaters folks, and focus on the issue that this is going on right on our doorstep. Whilst I am beyond appalled and feel pretty helpless in the face of this, at least one thing we can do is support the RSPCA in their actions to deal with it.

While I didn’t watch it, when I went to watch the footage on youtube, a related link was Wally’s pig roast at Murrumbateman. Is that a regular event? There’s another thing to do – boycott it, picket it. And tell people, as many people as you can. Make this guy a local pariah.

If you’re eating at the local eateries in the area, be sure and ask them where their pork comes from, and tell them why you’re asking.

I wouldn’t leave this guy in charge of a stuffed toy.

All of these are good ideas. I am certainly going to be asking where pork products come from now on.

It’s not much of a choice though is it? Local producers treating animals inhumanely or the danish stuff coming out of vast factory combines and pumped up with water and sulfides.

I watched half the footage this morning on youtube (and it was enough). It would be great to give the guy in it who kicks the piglet, a bit of his own medicine.

The guy who owns the place must be a retard. I think the math is pretty simple. You own a pig farm, pigs = cash. The amount of dead piglets in that place is disgusting. Flies on pigs, sores and haemorroids. I doubt a vet has been in there for years. With any luck the workers have all caught some disgusting disease.

How often do inspectors inspect? Are they being paid off? Do they just go the house and have a cup of tea? The cobwebs look 10 years old, and you can only imagine the stench.

How hard is it to pick up dead bodies and dispose of them, keep the place clean, and treat the animals injuries?? There should be no second chance in this day and age. The place should be closed down, and the animals put down, given away or slaughtered. Death would be better than the hell they are living.

If I treated my dog like that, I would be banned from owning animals. It should be no different for the commercial owners.

FreddyVegan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

MsCheeky said :

I just came to this thread and read the comments, then decided to have a look at the footage. I couldn’t watch it all. Forget hijacking the thread on vegan v meat eaters folks, and focus on the issue that this is going on right on our doorstep. Whilst I am beyond appalled and feel pretty helpless in the face of this, at least one thing we can do is support the RSPCA in their actions to deal with it.

While I didn’t watch it, when I went to watch the footage on youtube, a related link was Wally’s pig roast at Murrumbateman. Is that a regular event? There’s another thing to do – boycott it, picket it. And tell people, as many people as you can. Make this guy a local pariah.

If you’re eating at the local eateries in the area, be sure and ask them where their pork comes from, and tell them why you’re asking.

I wouldn’t leave this guy in charge of a stuffed toy.

Thats a incredibly good point, how can we get a list of the butchers in town he supplies? They need to be shown this and if they dont care, boycott them aswell.

This is information we would love to obtain.

But what are your motives for wanting that information? Is it to then publicise that Johnnys Butchery is bad and supporting animal cruelty? Or do you intend to go to the butchers and make them aware? I know a few butchers and a lot of them buy meat from an abattoir or a third party and have no idea where the meat comes from so they may not be aware of any cruelty.

In saying that the butchers I know all tour farms before they become clients. They do this not to prevent cruelty, but so they can be sure they are getting the best quality for their customers.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

MsCheeky said :

I just came to this thread and read the comments, then decided to have a look at the footage. I couldn’t watch it all. Forget hijacking the thread on vegan v meat eaters folks, and focus on the issue that this is going on right on our doorstep. Whilst I am beyond appalled and feel pretty helpless in the face of this, at least one thing we can do is support the RSPCA in their actions to deal with it.

While I didn’t watch it, when I went to watch the footage on youtube, a related link was Wally’s pig roast at Murrumbateman. Is that a regular event? There’s another thing to do – boycott it, picket it. And tell people, as many people as you can. Make this guy a local pariah.

If you’re eating at the local eateries in the area, be sure and ask them where their pork comes from, and tell them why you’re asking.

I wouldn’t leave this guy in charge of a stuffed toy.

Thats a incredibly good point, how can we get a list of the butchers in town he supplies? They need to be shown this and if they dont care, boycott them aswell.

This is information we would love to obtain.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:05 am 07 Aug 12

MsCheeky said :

I just came to this thread and read the comments, then decided to have a look at the footage. I couldn’t watch it all. Forget hijacking the thread on vegan v meat eaters folks, and focus on the issue that this is going on right on our doorstep. Whilst I am beyond appalled and feel pretty helpless in the face of this, at least one thing we can do is support the RSPCA in their actions to deal with it.

While I didn’t watch it, when I went to watch the footage on youtube, a related link was Wally’s pig roast at Murrumbateman. Is that a regular event? There’s another thing to do – boycott it, picket it. And tell people, as many people as you can. Make this guy a local pariah.

If you’re eating at the local eateries in the area, be sure and ask them where their pork comes from, and tell them why you’re asking.

I wouldn’t leave this guy in charge of a stuffed toy.

Thats a incredibly good point, how can we get a list of the butchers in town he supplies? They need to be shown this and if they dont care, boycott them aswell.

I just came to this thread and read the comments, then decided to have a look at the footage. I couldn’t watch it all. Forget hijacking the thread on vegan v meat eaters folks, and focus on the issue that this is going on right on our doorstep. Whilst I am beyond appalled and feel pretty helpless in the face of this, at least one thing we can do is support the RSPCA in their actions to deal with it.

While I didn’t watch it, when I went to watch the footage on youtube, a related link was Wally’s pig roast at Murrumbateman. Is that a regular event? There’s another thing to do – boycott it, picket it. And tell people, as many people as you can. Make this guy a local pariah.

If you’re eating at the local eateries in the area, be sure and ask them where their pork comes from, and tell them why you’re asking.

I wouldn’t leave this guy in charge of a stuffed toy.

Innovation said :

The footage is horrific.100 people couldn’t clean up that mess in a week! Why can’t they just shut the piggery down, (humanely) euthanase the ones that are too far gone and confiscate/sell the others to cover vet and regulatory costs? I can’t understand why authorities don’t regulate and monitor these industries more.
.

Beacause its electorially popular to sack all the public servants ATM.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back9:19 am 07 Aug 12

EvanJames said :

LSWCHP said :

The arseclowns on this pig farm are cruel and stupid morons, and they deserve of a bit of the same treatment in return.

It’s a special kind of blunt evil, and we keep seeing it. And time and again, it’s exposed by animal groups, not the government that is purporting to uphold the law. More power to the animal groups.

Cruel and stupid often go together.

The footage is horrific.100 people couldn’t clean up that mess in a week! Why can’t they just shut the piggery down, (humanely) euthanase the ones that are too far gone and confiscate/sell the others to cover vet and regulatory costs? I can’t understand why authorities don’t regulate and monitor these industries more.

Well done to those who brought this to light although it’s a bit naive to expect everyone else to adopt a vegan lifestyle. You might get a few on board (with negligible impact) but, in your efforts to proote veganism, you are potentially missing out on a better collective result by simply trying to get others to decrease their overall consumption of meat and other animal products or possibly even adopting a vegetarian lifestyle.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Seems you are the one trying to deceive. It is neither healthier nor better for the environment to be a vegan. Lies like this is why you peeps are not taken seriously.

Independant organisations say there are health benefits. eg – http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357
The united nations says there are massive environmental benefits. – http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

Who should I believe? Major independant organisations who specialise in nutrition and health, the united nations who analyse the world situation.

Or you, someone who isnt interested in the truth !!!

First article has zero evidence and says no more than it may be healthier. A far more realistic reason as to why a vegan may obtain these results is the lack of bad foods and fast foods. Somebody on a healthy diet including good and well prepared meat would achieve the same, if not better outcome.

Please only post facts and not a article that says its possibly healthier.

Second article is flawed. If meat production is replaced by vegetable production, it’s still going to use the same amount of water, fertiliser and pesticides. It’s going to have processing factories and mass transport. Please only post articles that show both sides instead of single sided ones.

Thats twice in one thread 😉

EvanJames said :

LSWCHP said :

The arseclowns on this pig farm are cruel and stupid morons, and they deserve of a bit of the same treatment in return.

It’s a special kind of blunt evil, and we keep seeing it. And time and again, it’s exposed by animal groups, not the government that is purporting to uphold the law. More power to the animal groups.

Thank you, appreciate your comments.

LSWCHP said :

The arseclowns on this pig farm are cruel and stupid morons, and they deserve of a bit of the same treatment in return.

It’s a special kind of blunt evil, and we keep seeing it. And time and again, it’s exposed by animal groups, not the government that is purporting to uphold the law. More power to the animal groups.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:47 pm 06 Aug 12

SunVegCan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Seems you are the one trying to deceive. It is neither healthier nor better for the environment to be a vegan. Lies like this is why you peeps are not taken seriously.

Independant organisations say there are health benefits. eg – http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357
The united nations says there are massive environmental benefits. – http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

Who should I believe? Major independant organisations who specialise in nutrition and health, the united nations who analyse the world situation.

Or you, someone who isnt interested in the truth !!!

First article has zero evidence and says no more than it may be healthier. A far more realistic reason as to why a vegan may obtain these results is the lack of bad foods and fast foods. Somebody on a healthy diet including good and well prepared meat would achieve the same, if not better outcome.

Please only post facts and not a article that says its possibly healthier.

Second article is flawed. If meat production is replaced by vegetable production, it’s still going to use the same amount of water, fertiliser and pesticides. It’s going to have processing factories and mass transport. Please only post articles that show both sides instead of single sided ones.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

SunVegCan said :

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Seems you are the one trying to deceive. It is neither healthier nor better for the environment to be a vegan. Lies like this is why you peeps are not taken seriously.

Independant organisations say there are health benefits. eg – http://www.eatright.org/about/content.aspx?id=8357
The united nations says there are massive environmental benefits. – http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

Who should I believe? Major independant organisations who specialise in nutrition and health, the united nations who analyse the world situation. Or you, someone who isnt interested in the truth !!!

Vegan, vegetarian, omnivore or carnivore; it’s doesn’t really matter, because at the end of the day, your sh1t still stinks!

Now back to the pigs………..

I come from a line of farmers dating back to the 1850s. If I’d treated treated an animal on my grandfathers farm cruelly he would have given me a bit of the same. His animals were his livelihood, and his wellbeing depended on theirs.

The arseclowns on this pig farm are cruel and stupid morons, and they deserve of a bit of the same treatment in return.

Pork Hunt said :

poetix said :

Pork Hunt said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

What is your obsession with “constipated” meat eaters all about? I have a reasonably balanced diet which includes meat for at least two meals daily.
When I go poo poos, I’m always out in one or two minutes and that includes the paper work.
An apple a day and all that…

Does the term Too Much Information mean nothing to some people today?

schmeah started it and keeps using it in his/her argument…

All I sought to do was introduce some sort of humour into your average RA article about animal welfare which, historically have always descended into a “vegans are the scum of the earth” mud fight, with meat eaters and vegos ranting at each other and basically no one gets anywhere. “save meat, eat a vegan” .. there’s only so many times you can keep reciting the same old jokes before someone gets homicidal, so I came up with something new. I also gave up about 4 hours ago and the rest of you kept running with it.

Kthnxbai

poetix said :

Pork Hunt said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

What is your obsession with “constipated” meat eaters all about? I have a reasonably balanced diet which includes meat for at least two meals daily.
When I go poo poos, I’m always out in one or two minutes and that includes the paper work.
An apple a day and all that…

Does the term Too Much Information mean nothing to some people today?

schmeah started it and keeps using it in his/her argument…

Pork Hunt said :

When I go poo poos, I’m always out in one or two minutes and that includes the paper work.

An immaculate execution would be when the paper work is unnecessary.

Tetranitrate5:28 pm 06 Aug 12

Save the animals, eat a vegan.

Pork Hunt said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

What is your obsession with “constipated” meat eaters all about? I have a reasonably balanced diet which includes meat for at least two meals daily.
When I go poo poos, I’m always out in one or two minutes and that includes the paper work.
An apple a day and all that…

Does the term Too Much Information mean nothing to some people today?

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

What is your obsession with “constipated” meat eaters all about? I have a reasonably balanced diet which includes meat for at least two meals daily.
When I go poo poos, I’m always out in one or two minutes and that includes the paper work.
An apple a day and all that…

Send word down the food chain …. no more meat to be consumed.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:28 pm 06 Aug 12

SunVegCan said :

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Seems you are the one trying to deceive. It is neither healthier nor better for the environment to be a vegan. Lies like this is why you peeps are not taken seriously.

SunVegCan said :

KB1971 said :

SunVegCan said :

What makes me sad is that animal cruelty is not “rare” in primary production. It is almost the norm.

I mean seriously would you want to be carted off to an abattoir and stunned with a high voltage then chopped up into small pieces? This is the best case scenario !!!

The worst and very common case you will experience pain, fear and suffering along the way.

It all makes me very sad. Especially when the outcome is worse human health (more heart disease, more cancer, more type 2 diabetes, more strokes, etc) a worse environment (more deforestation, more carbon emissions including methane) as well as the horrible things that happen to the animals.

You know, meat in a balanced diet does not “cause” the deseases you mention, it can be part of the problem. A lot people who have heart disease or type two diebetes have poor lifestyles, they dont excercise, the over eat, eat high fat foods (fried chips have an extraordinary amount of saturated fat) smoke & drink too much, these are more contributing factors than eating meat. Cancers such as bowel, liver, lung & kidney are usually attributed to othere external poisons being placed on ones body, not meat.

Then there are those that are unfortunate enough to have heart disease & dibetes but have a healty lifestyle, luck of the draw.

But, dont let that get in the way of your vego bandwagen.

Recent nutritional research would indicate the optimum amount of meat for your health is ZERO.

“If you step back and look at the data (on beef and cancer), the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero,” said Walter Willett, MD, chair of the Nutrition Department, Harvard School of Public Health, and director of a study of 88,000 American nurses that analyzed the link between diet and colon cancer.

http://business.inquirer.net/66739/eating-meat-increases-cancer-risk-by-up-to-300

Written by Tessa R. Salazar, here are some quoted from her Facebook page:

“Info
About Compassion,pls?! The beef, pork, chicken had their throats slit, limbs hacked off, skin torn from bodies while still conscious;Pigs plunged into vats of scalding water for hair removal while conscious;; chickens scalded alive in feather-removal tanks”

“Favorite Quotes
“Alas, what wickedness to swallow flesh into our own flesh, to fatten our greedy bodies by cramming in other bodies, to have one living creature fed by the death of another! In the midst of such wealth as earth, the best of mothers, provides, nothing forsooth satisfies you, but to behave like the Cyclopes, inflicting sorry wounds with cruel teeth! …You cannot appease the hungry cravings of your wicked, gluttonous stomachs except by destroying some other life.” – Depicted in : The Metamorphoses, translated by Mary M.Innes”

https://www.facebook.com/tsalazarph

Dont get me wrong, I am totally against the mistreatment of animals on farms (I am from a farming background) but I am certainly not going to take any notice of an acticle that is written by someone who is not objective.

BTW, if you rear that article, it does talk about the excessive consumption & eating red meat every day. Eating red meat every day is not a part of a balanced diet as I was describing, also the portions of meat many people eat are way too big but there is nothing conclusive yet about the instances of meat & colon cancer.

There is more evidence to say that people who do not eat enough fibre are more prone to colon bowel cancers. I agree that fruit and vegitables are extremely important part of a diet.

Recent nutritional research would indicate the optimum amount of meat for your health is ZERO.

“If you step back and look at the data (on beef and cancer), the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero,” said Walter Willett, MD, chair of the Nutrition Department, Harvard School of Public Health, and director of a study of 88,000 American nurses that analyzed the link between diet and colon cancer.

http://business.inquirer.net/66739/eating-meat-increases-cancer-risk-by-up-to-300

I’ll see your link and raise you:
http://www.beefcentral.com/news/article/1986

I’ll get back into my tiny car with my unusually large footwear, and red nose now…

SunVegCan said :

Shocking revelation for everyone. Not every vegan on the planet communicates the message in a constructive fashion.

It’s not just that. I’m glad you’re upfront about your diet, but it does plant a seed of suspicion in everyone’s mind about your motive.
Advocacy against cruelty to animals, or preaching vegan-ism. Which takes precedence?

SunVegCan said :

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest.

Although I gave up smoking, I still do appreciate the positive things that it gave me. Have to take the good with the bad.

Quality of one’s life shouldn’t be measured using one ruler.
Don’t forget – at the end of the day none of us are going to get out of this one alive.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back2:10 pm 06 Aug 12

So why the hell do we have teeth suited to both meat and vegetable consumption?

Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

I guess what i am trying to say is why take an important issue as the one above that we can try and get poeple involved and make life for animals better, and then make it all about you by saying”oohhh look at me, I’m soooo much better then you because I don’t eat meat”.

People like you who do this take animal rights back a decade by sheer turning people off listening.

Shocking revelation for everyone. Not every vegan on the planet communicates the message in a constructive fashion. Why do most vegans want others to consider going vegan:
* To improve their health
* To improve the environment
* To improve the outcomes for the animals
* To reduce world hunger
If you are actually interested in this issue then listen to this speech from Australian of the Year – Philip Wollen – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc

If you are a meat eater who simply says, but I don’t want to change despite the ethical, environmental and health impacts, at least you are being honest. If you try to hide behind pseudo science (the same sort the cigarette companies tried to use for years), then you are kidding yourself and trying to deceive others.

KB1971 said :

SunVegCan said :

What makes me sad is that animal cruelty is not “rare” in primary production. It is almost the norm.

I mean seriously would you want to be carted off to an abattoir and stunned with a high voltage then chopped up into small pieces? This is the best case scenario !!!

The worst and very common case you will experience pain, fear and suffering along the way.

It all makes me very sad. Especially when the outcome is worse human health (more heart disease, more cancer, more type 2 diabetes, more strokes, etc) a worse environment (more deforestation, more carbon emissions including methane) as well as the horrible things that happen to the animals.

You know, meat in a balanced diet does not “cause” the deseases you mention, it can be part of the problem. A lot people who have heart disease or type two diebetes have poor lifestyles, they dont excercise, the over eat, eat high fat foods (fried chips have an extraordinary amount of saturated fat) smoke & drink too much, these are more contributing factors than eating meat. Cancers such as bowel, liver, lung & kidney are usually attributed to othere external poisons being placed on ones body, not meat.

Then there are those that are unfortunate enough to have heart disease & dibetes but have a healty lifestyle, luck of the draw.

But, dont let that get in the way of your vego bandwagen.

Recent nutritional research would indicate the optimum amount of meat for your health is ZERO.

“If you step back and look at the data (on beef and cancer), the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero,” said Walter Willett, MD, chair of the Nutrition Department, Harvard School of Public Health, and director of a study of 88,000 American nurses that analyzed the link between diet and colon cancer.

http://business.inquirer.net/66739/eating-meat-increases-cancer-risk-by-up-to-300

Freddy: I think you are very confused about what the RSPCA can, and cannot do.

Unfortunately the RSPCA has chosen not to shut Wally’s piggery down and has given him 1 week to improve conditions.

This is very disappointing – this place needs to be shut down immediately.

I encourage people to contact RSPCA NSW and let them know this is an unacceptable outcome.

Contact 0412 475 428 (for Goulburn RSPCA). National number (02) 9770 7555.

CHW said :

… Just no words…

Actually the locals out in Murrumbateman and Yass have known for years something was very wrong with that piggery – some of the local youths get jobs there, I think, although I understood that no-one stayed there for long, and there was an air of “things that should never have been seen” about the experience from the locals who mentioned it… So it seemed common knowledge that it was a hell-hole, but small townspeople don’t get involved in that sort of thing…

When I was working out at the Murrumbateman pub a decade or so ago, one of Wally’s sons used to come in and pick up the garbage bins from the kitchen to feed the pigs with.

Mind you, it *was* illegal to feed pigs like that. The then cook explained to me that we had to keep it quiet, of course (or they would all get in trouble, is the impression I was left with).

In fact, at one point in the video, I am pretty sure the trog in the red jumper is the … individual (finding it hard to refrain from more descriptive labels for him) that sorted through the kitchen waste and put his pickings in a black garbage bag…

When I connect the dots, it appears to me now that the cook and the pub owner and the other locals from whom I heard about the piggery were extremely leery of Wally… as in, “reminds me of this guy called Ivan Milat” leery…

I dont like the man and hated when i worked for him for a few months many years ago, Some corrections to your statment,Wally doesnt have any sons there is over 500 pigs at the place and i never heard of him collecting scraps from the pub to feed the pigs, it would be a waste of time. He actually fed them pretty well because the better feed they are the faster they grow the quicker he can sell them. Th rspce came out when i worked there that was over 20 years ago nothing has changed in all that time. I hope he can be shut down or made to clean up his act. I doubt he could stay on the straight and narrow as he is a crime.You think he treats his pigs bad you should see how he treats his staff and worse his wife and daughters. Im glad this has come to light and hope something is done not just in the short turn but for ever. I also think he has another farm or business somewhere else in the state.

schmeah said :

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

I guess what i am trying to say is why take an important issue as the one above that we can try and get poeple involved and make life for animals better, and then make it all about you by saying”oohhh look at me, I’m soooo much better then you because I don’t eat meat”.

People like you who do this take animal rights back a decade by sheer turning people off listening.

schmeah said :

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

At least we don’t suffer under the delusion that it makes our bodies ‘perfect’ (you tool, what do you even mean by that?), we don’t claim to be morally superior and we don’t guilt-trip people to join our side, so yeah, it is nothing like what us bacon munchers do.

schmeah said :

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

I have never heard anyone go on about, or turn their noses down at someone because they don’t eat meat the way Vegan/Vegetarians such as your selves do. Or make the ridiculous, unproven claims that you are “anatomically perfect”. I mean that is really, really conceited comment.

I have no idea what you are attempting to convey with statements such as the one you made but I would think it tends to turn people off your argument altogether then make someone take up your lifestyles.

schmeah said :

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

mmmm bacon

SunVegCan said :

What makes me sad is that animal cruelty is not “rare” in primary production. It is almost the norm.

I mean seriously would you want to be carted off to an abattoir and stunned with a high voltage then chopped up into small pieces? This is the best case scenario !!!

The worst and very common case you will experience pain, fear and suffering along the way.

It all makes me very sad. Especially when the outcome is worse human health (more heart disease, more cancer, more type 2 diabetes, more strokes, etc) a worse environment (more deforestation, more carbon emissions including methane) as well as the horrible things that happen to the animals.

You know, meat in a balanced diet does not “cause” the deseases you mention, it can be part of the problem. A lot people who have heart disease or type two diebetes have poor lifestyles, they dont excercise, the over eat, eat high fat foods (fried chips have an extraordinary amount of saturated fat) smoke & drink too much, these are more contributing factors than eating meat. Cancers such as bowel, liver, lung & kidney are usually attributed to othere external poisons being placed on ones body, not meat.

Then there are those that are unfortunate enough to have heart disease & dibetes but have a healty lifestyle, luck of the draw.

But, dont let that get in the way of your vego bandwagen.

Baldy said :

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

Yeah, it sucks when someone gets high and mighty about their diet, telling others they’re wrong. It’s clearly nothing like what all the bacon munchers do ..

schmeah said :

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

This has to be one of the silliest, delusional, holier – then thou posts I have read on this website. Even beating Mr G and Henery.

What makes me sad is that animal cruelty is not “rare” in primary production. It is almost the norm. I mean seriously would you want to be carted off to an abattoir and stunned with a high voltage then chopped up into small pieces? This is the best case scenario !!! The worst and very common case you will experience pain, fear and suffering along the way.

It all makes me very sad. Especially when the outcome is worse human health (more heart disease, more cancer, more type 2 diabetes, more strokes, etc) a worse environment (more deforestation, more carbon emissions including methane) as well as the horrible things that happen to the animals.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:21 am 06 Aug 12

johnboy said :

kindle for phone has done more to extend my stays than my diet 😉

This called winning.

… Just no words…

Actually the locals out in Murrumbateman and Yass have known for years something was very wrong with that piggery – some of the local youths get jobs there, I think, although I understood that no-one stayed there for long, and there was an air of “things that should never have been seen” about the experience from the locals who mentioned it… So it seemed common knowledge that it was a hell-hole, but small townspeople don’t get involved in that sort of thing…

When I was working out at the Murrumbateman pub a decade or so ago, one of Wally’s sons used to come in and pick up the garbage bins from the kitchen to feed the pigs with.

Mind you, it *was* illegal to feed pigs like that. The then cook explained to me that we had to keep it quiet, of course (or they would all get in trouble, is the impression I was left with).

In fact, at one point in the video, I am pretty sure the trog in the red jumper is the … individual (finding it hard to refrain from more descriptive labels for him) that sorted through the kitchen waste and put his pickings in a black garbage bag…

When I connect the dots, it appears to me now that the cook and the pub owner and the other locals from whom I heard about the piggery were extremely leery of Wally… as in, “reminds me of this guy called Ivan Milat” leery…

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

I do support what you do, but surely it’s obvious that ‘rallies’ in Canberra are never successful – it actually does more to harm a cause when 10 ppl and some dogs turn up.

The RSPCA ‘ban live export’ rally was well attended but it’s really the exception in Canberra.

Pretty distressing video. It’d be great if major food retailers supported free-range goods to a greater extent. All I can do at Aldi is buy free-range chicken not free range pork – I hope the beef is from beasts put to pasture but can’t be sure

Mysteryman said :

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

youredoingitwrong.jpg

Luckily, I don’t base it on myself. My body is pretty much perfect; 4 years vegetarian .. anatomically perfect.

But 10 years of cross-country sharehousing, sharing bathrooms with people who called a burnt slab of steak with tom sauce ‘dinner’ and 20 minutes in my work space bathroom every morning putting makeup on .. while countless, constipated souls use the facilities only to .. never seemingly emerge. Maybe they get lost in there, maybe staring at the back of a door is actually enthralling .. I don’t know, never really worked it out. Good luck with your hernias though.

Go veg!

kindle for phone has done more to extend my stays than my diet 😉

The way they house and treat chickens and pigs is pretty bad but maybe only pigs are smart enough to realise it. So I eat some chicken and no pig meat. Lot feeding beef is the most disgraceful waste of grain that would otherwise be a good direct food for people. So I only eat grass fed beef. If I was even more concerned about animal welfare then I would not have had children. Surely that choice would be the best one for animal and environmental welfare? So vegans don’t have children or do they force them to not wear wool, wear leather, eat meat? Sounds a pretty stressful household.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:30 am 06 Aug 12

VeganFreddy, can you please back up your claims as to why you think the only way to stop animal cruelty is to go Vegan? Why not just vegetarian? And can you please inform us why you seem to think there is no point in ethical meats?

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

10.00am on a Saturday?

You’d want to be putting on free bacon and egg burgers to get me there that early.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back9:25 am 06 Aug 12

FreddyVegan said :

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

Will there be a free barbeque?

SnapperJack said :

So the loopy Animal Libbers and other fruit loops are trying to get themselves into the media again with another pitiful stunt. At least this time they won’t destroy a multi-million dollar industry and put generations of family farmers out of business like they did with their live cattle exports to Indonesia disgrace last year.

Vegetarians and vegans lost all credibility and proved themselves to be sociopathic nutters when one of them went on 2CC and said that eating eggs was a form of rape and should be outlawed.

Not sure if troll or just stupid?

neanderthalsis9:14 am 06 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Buy a rifle, build a smokehouse. Quite a few feral pigs around the greater ACT region. Your harvesting the ultimate in free range pork and doing your bit for the environment too. It has a lot more flavour than the farmed product and is leaner. Best of all, you can invite all your vegan/environazi friends around for a BBQ with the finished product.

We will be holding a rally this Saturday, 11 August, 2012 at 10am. Garema Place in Civic, Canberra.

Fliers and posters will be available on the day but please feel free to make banners or posters of your own. Please join us to be a voice for these animals.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409114459125329/

Thanks 🙂

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

The only time I manage to spend 20 minutes on the toilet is if I get a run of wins while plaing Angry Birds on my Iphone…….

Veganism is its own punishment.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:52 am 06 Aug 12

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

And it’s the morons like this that give vegans bad names. Spreading lies about meat is not a way to improve your cause.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:51 am 06 Aug 12

geni_lou said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Butcher @ griffith shops does. Belco markets Eco.meats. Farmers Markets may be dodgy, not sure. If you’re a real foodie you could try making your own from free range pork, but make sure you know what you’re doing. If I ever stop being vego that’s first on my list ;). Greehill farms at epic mark.ets do beef and treat their cattle awesomely well, they might know some good pig farmers too. Good on you for doing it, having grown up w a butcher dad & small pig farm, supporting local farmers doing it well is about the best thing you can do, I reckon. We went out of business when Coles undersold ,so did every other butcher in town bar one, and he didn’t keep his own animals.
Go you!

Thank you. Will stop into Griffith soon!

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

Did you even go to school? Because you have some fundamental flaws in your understanding of the digestive tract,

I don’t even the 30 minutes or so a day you spend eating cardboard and grass clippings. So let’s just agree to disagree, hey?

schmeah said :

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

WTF is wrong with your body? Was that your experience when eating meat? Something is seriously wrong with you.

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schmeah said :

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

You obviously have not eaten a falafel recently.

Vegetarians I understand. And I am fine with it. Vegans are terrorists.

Disgustingly immoral and unethical treatment of animals we know are roughly as intelligent as dogs, and certainly have a capacity for suffering.

Veganism is not the answer (sorry guys, but most of you are just a bit weird… and avoiding dairy products, eggs, etc. really has no rational basis unless you can argue that the animals supplying such products are suffering in some way). Ethical and “humane” raising and slaughtering of livestock is possible, and not difficult.

The owners of the piggery in question (the Perenc family) can be reached on (02) 6227-5668 or on (02) 6227-5910 if anyone feels they’d like to pass on some constructive criticism regarding their “farming” practices.

Good work to the people who exposed this terrible cruelty!

And for those hacking on vegans; I don’t envy the time you spend over the toilet for 20 minutes every day, trying to squeeze your lump of coal, comprised of festering rotting meat, out of your butt …

Vegans/vegetarians; they look sexy.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Butcher @ griffith shops does. Belco markets Eco.meats. Farmers Markets may be dodgy, not sure. If you’re a real foodie you could try making your own from free range pork, but make sure you know what you’re doing. If I ever stop being vego that’s first on my list ;). Greehill farms at epic mark.ets do beef and treat their cattle awesomely well, they might know some good pig farmers too. Good on you for doing it, having grown up w a butcher dad & small pig farm, supporting local farmers doing it well is about the best thing you can do, I reckon. We went out of business when Coles undersold ,so did every other butcher in town bar one, and he didn’t keep his own animals.
Go you!

SnapperJack said :

So the loopy Animal Libbers and other fruit loops are trying to get themselves into the media again with another pitiful stunt. At least this time they won’t destroy a multi-million dollar industry and put generations of family farmers out of business like they did with their live cattle exports to Indonesia disgrace last year.

Vegetarians and vegans lost all credibility and proved themselves to be sociopathic nutters when one of them went on 2CC and said that eating eggs was a form of rape and should be outlawed.

While I will agree that some vegans are nutjobs, if it wasn’t for them and their friends in Animal Liberation, we may have never found out about the conditions in this particular piggery. Again, as I said earlier; where are the state/commonwealth agricultural inspectors in all of this????

And as to your comment about the live export industry – I’d prefer if the live export industry died a quick death, as I would personally much rather see Australians kept in employment here to process Australian grown meat in registered abbitoirs, rather than some dodgy mobs overseas making money out of the whole thing.

Farmers are very quick to point out how much they contribute to feeding Australia, yet they tend to forget how much every other Australian subsidies them every day through things like drought assistance and infrastructure upgrades to rural communities…..

arescarti42 said :

Mr Evil said :

I will still continue to eat meat, but I want to know that the meat I eat is taken from an animal that is cared for in the best possible way during its short life, is housed in safe, clean and humane conditions, is fed a proper diet, and is killed by current best-practices, with the minimum of suffering.

Anyone who will not farm animals in this particular way should be removed from the industry as quickly as possible – for the animals’ sake, and for our sake too.

+1

From a moral and ethical standpoint, I don’t believe there is anything wrong with eating meat or other animal products, but I expect the animals to be treated with dignity and respect. I find it very disappointing that the systems around meat production in this country are not ensuring this is the case.

My response was to start buying my meat at the farmers markets. I know it is still no guarantee that the animals have been ethically treated, but I feel the odds are far better buying it from a known producer than some generic meat on a shelf at Colesworths.

Don’t be too quick to knock Coles – they’ve already taken a huge step http://www.coles.com.au/Portals/0/content/pdf/News/Coles%20Announces%20Sow%20Stall%20Free%20Initiative.pdf

Ever been up Yass? it’s a s*** hole.

Wow, horrible conditions you say? Just outside Canberra you say? Piggerys you day? I thought this was going to be another story about Queanbeyan.

Mr Evil said :

I will still continue to eat meat, but I want to know that the meat I eat is taken from an animal that is cared for in the best possible way during its short life, is housed in safe, clean and humane conditions, is fed a proper diet, and is killed by current best-practices, with the minimum of suffering.

Anyone who will not farm animals in this particular way should be removed from the industry as quickly as possible – for the animals’ sake, and for our sake too.

+1

From a moral and ethical standpoint, I don’t believe there is anything wrong with eating meat or other animal products, but I expect the animals to be treated with dignity and respect. I find it very disappointing that the systems around meat production in this country are not ensuring this is the case.

My response was to start buying my meat at the farmers markets. I know it is still no guarantee that the animals have been ethically treated, but I feel the odds are far better buying it from a known producer than some generic meat on a shelf at Colesworths.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd1:19 pm 05 Aug 12

SnapperJack said :

So the loopy Animal Libbers and other fruit loops are trying to get themselves into the media again with another pitiful stunt. At least this time they won’t destroy a multi-million dollar industry and put generations of family farmers out of business like they did with their live cattle exports to Indonesia disgrace last year.

Vegetarians and vegans lost all credibility and proved themselves to be sociopathic nutters when one of them went on 2CC and said that eating eggs was a form of rape and should be outlawed.

Let’s be realistic here, anybody who listens to 2cc is probably far more loopy than the people you are describing and far less credibility.

After a lot of thought (well, some, anyway) I decided not to view the footage. Why upset myself given I don’t eat it anyway?

Don’t forget that vegetarians exist: we’re vegan light. Personally, bacon would be one of the last meats I’d consider eating. Pigs remind me too much of my staffie. Only smarter.

This is an issue that is not just about vegetarianism/veganism but the ethics of food production and farming meat. There is nothing loopy about approaching meat production from a humanitarian point of view. The pictures of that piggery are disgusting, there is no excuse for this method of farming. Battery farming may not be ‘rape’ in the legal sense but it certainly lacks compassion for the welfare of the animal and is a torturous existence for hens. As consumers we can make a choice, or even go one step further an have your own backyard chooks.

SnapperJack said :

So the loopy Animal Libbers and other fruit loops are trying to get themselves into the media again with another pitiful stunt. At least this time they won’t destroy a multi-million dollar industry and put generations of family farmers out of business like they did with their live cattle exports to Indonesia disgrace last year.

Vegetarians and vegans lost all credibility and proved themselves to be sociopathic nutters when one of them went on 2CC and said that eating eggs was a form of rape and should be outlawed.

Sociopath.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Get me some halal bacon while you’re there..

My questions are:

– When did the authorities first become aware of the appaling conditions on this farm, and why did it take so long for action to be taken? It’s appears that this particular farm has been run ‘quite poorly’ for a very long time, and surely someone must have said something to someone? Word gets around very quickly, especially if these places have a high staff turnover.

– Where are all the government animal welfare, food safety and OH&S inspections to ensure these practices are not occurring at intensive farms? Having dead animal remains and carcusses sitting around in plastic buckets/wheelbarrows is a sure fire way of spreading disease and infection to other animals nearby.

– Were food-service business owners purchasing illegally butchered pigs from this operation; and if so, what action will be taken against them?

– How many other piggeries are currently being run like this in NSW, or elsewhere in Australia?????

I will still continue to eat meat, but I want to know that the meat I eat is taken from an animal that is cared for in the best possible way during its short life, is housed in safe, clean and humane conditions, is fed a proper diet, and is killed by current best-practices, with the minimum of suffering.

Anyone who will not farm animals in this particular way should be removed from the industry as quickly as possible – for the animals’ sake, and for our sake too.

Tetranitrate11:59 am 05 Aug 12

FreddyVegan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Sadly a lot of the ” free range” pigs still live in horrible conditions and at the end of the day they still endure the same horrific slaughtering process as any other pig.

I understand it is a massive decision to make, but going Vegan is the only way to completely stop supporting such a disgusting and cruel industry. There is a lot of great supportive groups around in Canberra and we have a large vegan community full of very normal people who choose to live cruelty free.
Some useful links
http://www.al-act.org/
http://www.vegact.org.au/

err wot?

Why would you *need* to go vegan to stop supporting the piggery industry? You could simply stop buying products that come from pigs. 1.6 billion Muslims seem to manage that without too many problems.

So the loopy Animal Libbers and other fruit loops are trying to get themselves into the media again with another pitiful stunt. At least this time they won’t destroy a multi-million dollar industry and put generations of family farmers out of business like they did with their live cattle exports to Indonesia disgrace last year.

Vegetarians and vegans lost all credibility and proved themselves to be sociopathic nutters when one of them went on 2CC and said that eating eggs was a form of rape and should be outlawed.

No one wants/endorses cruelty to animals. But I do find it irritating when people purport that the next step is to ‘go vegan’.

Veganism is actually being cruel to yourself (in a kind of illogical-rationalising, self-martyring, holier-than-thou way). Sure, humans can ‘survive’ for a while without animal products – and probably for a long time if artificial supplementation is available – but it is scientifically unarguable that humans are omnivores.

The obvious solution is for the meat industry to employ humane practices, and for farms/ abatoirs etc to be randomly inspected. I have no problem with whistleblowers uncovering when this is not done – but it does not put me off eating meat! Rather, it makes me annoyed that the authorised inspection process has failed.

Also worth noting that veganism has a few promotional problems of its own – I’ve never seen a vegan who actually looked healthy. Eg, we had a vegan at work once and she was most definitely NOT a good advertisement for going vegan! Always ill and having to go to the dr for vitamin injections, always looked unhealthy, and had an appalling eating habits mostly involving coke. Predictably, her preaching about veganism fell on deaf ears.

Gungahlin Al10:08 am 05 Aug 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

That is a start man.

How we today can justify cruelty to animals is quite beyond me.

+1

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:21 am 05 Aug 12

FreddyVegan said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Sadly a lot of the ” free range” pigs still live in horrible conditions and at the end of the day they still endure the same horrific slaughtering process as any other pig.

I understand it is a massive decision to make, but going Vegan is the only way to completely stop supporting such a disgusting and cruel industry. There is a lot of great supportive groups around in Canberra and we have a large vegan community full of very normal people who choose to live cruelty free.
Some useful links
http://www.al-act.org/
http://www.vegact.org.au/

There are cruelty free ways to keep and slaughter animals. Going vegan is not a option and let’s be real, it’s a ridiculous thought process. Taking honey from bees or milk from cows is not rape.
There’s also the complete hipocrital fact that most vegans will have a apple product, something created with the bones of Chinese people who die so their own family’s can brutally slaughter a chicken.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

Sadly a lot of the ” free range” pigs still live in horrible conditions and at the end of the day they still endure the same horrific slaughtering process as any other pig.

I understand it is a massive decision to make, but going Vegan is the only way to completely stop supporting such a disgusting and cruel industry. There is a lot of great supportive groups around in Canberra and we have a large vegan community full of very normal people who choose to live cruelty free.
Some useful links
http://www.al-act.org/
http://www.vegact.org.au/

Have just been watching the videos and photos from that website. Feel absolutely sick. I can’t believe they have gotten away with keeping the pigs in these conditions for this long!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:29 pm 04 Aug 12

Yeah it’s a disgusting industry. But I do love bacon. We always buy the free range stuff but I often wonder how true it is?

Does anybody know local suppliers of ethical meats?

I wonder if that clown from the pig industry is going to jump on here again and call people who have an issue with the battery farming of pigs ‘ignorant’ and ‘ill-informed’.

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