Point to point cameras go live in 10 days time

johnboy 17 February 2012 185

hindmarsh drive p2p cameras

Justice and Community Safety want the word to know that the Hindmarsh Drive point to point cameras are commencing operations from 27 February 2012:

During the testing of the point to point cameras, speed measurements taken by the camera system indicated approximately800 motorists a day are speeding along the stretch of road where the cameras will shortly commence operating.

“Unfortunately it appears that many ACT motorists continue to speed, in spite of the risks that this behaviour presents to them, their passengers and other road users,” Ms Greenland said.

The point to point system uses cameras equipped with Automated Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) technology and scans photographs to identify vehicle numberplates.

The system takes time-stamped photographs of vehicles as they pass two places (detection points) set at a known distance apart. It then matches images, calculates the time difference and determines the vehicle’s average speed between those points. If the average speed exceeds the average speed limit between those points, an infringement notice for a speeding offence may be issued.

“Strong safeguards to protect personal information have been incorporated in the road transport legislation, including explicit restrictions on access to and use of these images. The images from the point to point cameras are not capable of identifying vehicle occupants and images that do not show offences will be destroyed after 14 days,” Ms Greenland said.

The location of the first point to point cameras on Hindmarsh Drive was determined following an assessment of sites suitable for these cameras taking into account road safety and traffic considerations.

“Hindmarsh Drive was the highest ranked site against the relevant criteria, which included crash history,” Ms Greenland said.

“During the period 2004 to 2008 there were 538 crashes, including 17 injury crashes, on the Hindmarsh Drive corridor where the cameras are located.”

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Dilandach Dilandach 9:05 am 06 Jun 12

Eppo said :

gkcasey said :

One of my clients was taken out by a drunk driver – end of her life as she knew it. Because she was brain injured she needs 24 hour support, will never work again, 2 young kids effectively lost their mother etc. So when I hear its al about revenue raising etc – get over it its about people’s lives.

Well, then I guess it’s a good thing P2P cameras are able to stop drink drivers then.

Oh, wait…

So wrong. Red light cameras stop drink drivers.

Oh, wait…

Eppo Eppo 8:25 am 06 Jun 12

gkcasey said :

One of my clients was taken out by a drunk driver – end of her life as she knew it. Because she was brain injured she needs 24 hour support, will never work again, 2 young kids effectively lost their mother etc. So when I hear its al about revenue raising etc – get over it its about people’s lives.

Well, then I guess it’s a good thing P2P cameras are able to stop drink drivers then.

Oh, wait…

rawprawn rawprawn 7:38 am 06 Jun 12

Now that PTP cameras have been operating for a while … has anyone being fined and for how much over the limit… is it merely a camera on a pole … if thats the case its been very effective.

gkcasey gkcasey 5:04 pm 16 Mar 12

I used Hindmarsh drive for the first time since the P2P cameras were installed. What bliss – drivers were obeying the road rules. Not speeding, not dangerously weaving in and out, no tailgating drivers who have the gall to follow the speed limits etc etc

It is becoming anarchy out on the roads – most days I see horrific acts of stupidity, wonton disregard for safety and arrogance just because being in a car is somehow an exemption to following rules.

Its not about personal choice to be an idiot – it is about breaking the law.

I report people now, get their numbers, take a video – I let the police know via their website. Once they get enough intel on people they will act. It is an act of social justice to somehow get people to take responsibility for their actions.

One of my clients was taken out by a drunk driver – end of her life as she knew it. Because she was brain injured she needs 24 hour support, will never work again, 2 young kids effectively lost their mother etc. So when I hear its al about revenue raising etc – get over it its about people’s lives.

legal legal 8:12 pm 05 Mar 12

Looks like JETHRO and JONO are serail tag team opinion fundamentalists.

I said “Take your eyes off the road for the 2 seconds it takes to check your speed and you travel 50-60 metres – while driving blind’

Jethro and Jono were quick to make multiple out of context trolling of this science based and researched arguement – this is road safety rules as they are TAUGHT to road users, and supported by road safety studies. Just becuase you think you are not taking 2 seconds to focus your attention back on the road doesn’t mean its not hapenning. (if you read the comment you would see I prefaced that with much more info. That 2 seconds is what they call the safety margin – lose just one factor of saftey margins are you are due for an accident (speed/fatique/folllow too closely etc)

And the white elephant $30 million two lane bridge could have been built for $5million as an underpass and function better, and Jono you fat assed pubic servant I drive through Russel four times a day or more, and at peak hours (BTW the asshole in the grey mx5 was you? learn how to merge you fwit)

Tooks Tooks 10:51 am 03 Mar 12

milkman said :

SnapperJack said :

I went to Fyshwick today and everybody (including myself) were definitely going much slower than before. In fact everybody was driving at around 70km/h, much different than previously when I used to drive just over 80 and had everybody whizzing past me.

So it would appear in these early days that the installation of the cameras has been a success and achieved its goal of slowing people down. Whether that continues remains to be seen.

I guess that means lives are being saved, then.

Speed cameras aren’t about saving lives. They are about raising revenue and reducing the risk of prangs (fatal or otherwise) on a particular stretch of road.

chewy14 chewy14 9:43 am 01 Mar 12

caf said :

chewy14 said :

-Normally drivers will travel at a speed they consider safe for a section of road. The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.

There is absolutely no evidence for this – in fact it seems likely to be false. Given the wet weather, I’m sure there will be a couple of rear-enders this very evening caused by people driving too fast and too close for the conditions.

Given no limit, the vast majority of people will in fact choose a speed that is the fastest they feel they can drive and still be able to respond to the known and expected obstacles on their journey. This will, however, likely be too fast to respond to the unknown and unexpected obstacles.

There’s plenty of evidence for it and its the basis of most speed limits.

On a free flow road, the speed of cars usually fits a normal distribution with the speed limit set at or near the 85th percentile of speeds (although we set it 10km/hr lower here). It’s based on the fact that most drivers are reasonable and don’t want to have an accident.

Here’s a link from the US that even Jim should be able to understand. OK, well maybe not Jim.

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/ref_mats/fhwasa10001/

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 8:55 pm 29 Feb 12

The funniest thing is when you see people slow down for the first one, speed up again, and then slow down for the second one. Pretty sure they haven’t quite grasped the concept. When they get their fines in the mail they might “get it” LOL

keepitup keepitup 8:12 pm 29 Feb 12

SnapperJack said :

I went to Fyshwick today and everybody (including myself) were definitely going much slower than before. In fact everybody was driving at around 70km/h, much different than previously when I used to drive just over 80 and had everybody whizzing past me.

So it would appear in these early days that the installation of the cameras has been a success and achieved its goal of slowing people down. Whether that continues remains to be seen.

I made the same trip today and heading down-hill toward Fyshwick everybody was riding their brakes at 70 kph. I’ve never seen that before.

milkman milkman 6:45 pm 29 Feb 12

SnapperJack said :

I went to Fyshwick today and everybody (including myself) were definitely going much slower than before. In fact everybody was driving at around 70km/h, much different than previously when I used to drive just over 80 and had everybody whizzing past me.

So it would appear in these early days that the installation of the cameras has been a success and achieved its goal of slowing people down. Whether that continues remains to be seen.

I guess that means lives are being saved, then.

caf caf 5:12 pm 29 Feb 12

chewy14 said :

-Normally drivers will travel at a speed they consider safe for a section of road. The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.

There is absolutely no evidence for this – in fact it seems likely to be false. Given the wet weather, I’m sure there will be a couple of rear-enders this very evening caused by people driving too fast and too close for the conditions.

Given no limit, the vast majority of people will in fact choose a speed that is the fastest they feel they can drive and still be able to respond to the known and expected obstacles on their journey. This will, however, likely be too fast to respond to the unknown and unexpected obstacles.

SnapperJack SnapperJack 5:01 pm 29 Feb 12

I went to Fyshwick today and everybody (including myself) were definitely going much slower than before. In fact everybody was driving at around 70km/h, much different than previously when I used to drive just over 80 and had everybody whizzing past me.

So it would appear in these early days that the installation of the cameras has been a success and achieved its goal of slowing people down. Whether that continues remains to be seen.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 4:59 pm 29 Feb 12

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

“The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.”

BWAAAAA HAHAH AH AHAH AH AHA HAAHA HAHA HA HA

Ah Jim,
you do know what the 85th percentile actually means right? And why they set speed limits at it?

Actually scratch that, from your last comment it’s clear that you don’t.

That’s not funny.

Go back to the funny stuff … you know, about how we don’t need speed limits and everyone’s perfectly capable of driving carefully at whatever speed they want to.

Watson Watson 4:08 pm 29 Feb 12

chewy14 said :

Watson said :

So “they” don’t normally check what speed they are going? And when they do, it takes their attention away from the road to an extent that it could cause a traffic accident? And why exactly do drivers who normally drive over the limit need to pay more attention to the road than other people when they are doing the speed limit?

The logical part of my brain is twitching…

Obviously not twitching hard enough.

-Normally drivers will travel at a speed they consider safe for a section of road. The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.
-Usually speed limits are set at the 85th percentile speed (usually, although it’s becoming less common)
-Most drivers will glance at their speedo occasionally, adjusting slightly if necessary.
-Having a section of road with P2P cameras makes a lot of people drive slower, well below the speed limit to avoid getting a fine
-Some drivers however, will now pay far more attention to their speedo to control their speed at or near the limit to avoid getting a fine, whereas previously they may have been travelling 5-10km/hr over the limit and paying more attention to the road and other cars.
-This is apparently meant to be a road safety measure.

Don’t worry, the logical part of my brain is now offline because my BS radar just exploded.

chewy14 chewy14 4:07 pm 29 Feb 12

Jim Jones said :

“The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.”

BWAAAAA HAHAH AH AHAH AH AHA HAAHA HAHA HA HA

Ah Jim,
you do know what the 85th percentile actually means right? And why they set speed limits at it?

Actually scratch that, from your last comment it’s clear that you don’t.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:37 pm 29 Feb 12

“The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.”

BWAAAAA HAHAH AH AHAH AH AHA HAAHA HAHA HA HA

HenryBG HenryBG 3:31 pm 29 Feb 12

what_the said :

I’ve recently moved to the States, and thankfully here they’ve had the sense to get rid of speed cameras, not put more up. See, they have these things called police officers. What these police officers do is actually monitor the behaviour of motorists in all driving aspects, not just one factor amongst 100 different factors for safe driving which speed cameras cannot monitor.

Good god, man, the doughnut shops must have fallen on very tough times over there.

chewy14 chewy14 1:41 pm 29 Feb 12

Watson said :

So “they” don’t normally check what speed they are going? And when they do, it takes their attention away from the road to an extent that it could cause a traffic accident? And why exactly do drivers who normally drive over the limit need to pay more attention to the road than other people when they are doing the speed limit?

The logical part of my brain is twitching…

Obviously not twitching hard enough.

-Normally drivers will travel at a speed they consider safe for a section of road. The vast majority of people are actually surprisingly good at judging the correct speed for a road.
-Usually speed limits are set at the 85th percentile speed (usually, although it’s becoming less common)
-Most drivers will glance at their speedo occasionally, adjusting slightly if necessary.
-Having a section of road with P2P cameras makes a lot of people drive slower, well below the speed limit to avoid getting a fine
-Some drivers however, will now pay far more attention to their speedo to control their speed at or near the limit to avoid getting a fine, whereas previously they may have been travelling 5-10km/hr over the limit and paying more attention to the road and other cars.
-This is apparently meant to be a road safety measure.

what_the what_the 10:30 am 29 Feb 12

I’ve recently moved to the States, and thankfully here they’ve had the sense to get rid of speed cameras, not put more up. See, they have these things called police officers. What these police officers do is actually monitor the behaviour of motorists in all driving aspects, not just one factor amongst 100 different factors for safe driving which speed cameras cannot monitor. While people here cheer on more cameras going up (because I suspect it bolsters their opinion that they’re the best driver out there because they can follow an abitrary number), less funding i provided for police officers. I’m yet to drive to work and not see the Highway Patrol pulling someone over, every single day. Last week I saw 3 police cars lined up next to each other one one stretch, and about 5 more in the next hour.

And here’s the other point about speed cameras. If they were working, then shouldn’t we be seeing less of them, not more? If they were effective in controlling the behaviours of motorists then we wouldn’t ‘need’ more of them. The fact that more are going up means they’re obviously not working. And instead of the revenue going towards road safety programs like they should be, they’re just being divereted into more speed cameras to collect more revenue, rather than into proper safety initiatives like putting more police officers on the road to catch the real idiots out there.

Jono Jono 8:16 am 29 Feb 12

chewy14 said :

No its the fact that the people who drive over the limit will be paying more attention to their speedos in this area.
The exact people who you want to be paying more attention to the road and their driving won’t be.

Sorry – I think that I have this straight – you’re saying that the people who speed will now be watching their speedos, but will continue to speed? And the combination of speeding and, this apparently elusive skill for so many of monitoring their speed, will make them more dangerous?

So, how many do you think will fall into this category? That is, drivers who are so concerned about being pinged that they’ll be monitoring their speed, but so unconcerned about being caught that they’ll ignore the speedo anyway?

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