Police Wrap – 21 October

johnboy 21 October 2008 49

1. 16 year old charged with ram raiding!

    Detectives from ACT Policing’s Territory Investigations Group Property Crime team arrested a juvenile male of Hughes, on multiple charges yesterday (October, 20).

    The 16-year-old alleged offender was arrested in relation to a ram-raid, aggravated burglaries, stolen motor vehicles and police pursuits, after handing himself into police.

    He was charged with ride/drive motor vehicle without consent, unlicensed driving, aggravated burglary and theft. He was bailed from the Regional Watch House at City Station to appear in the ACT Children’s Court on Thursday, October 30, 2008.


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tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 12:20 pm 21 Oct 08

…and off the the new summer camp facility…

peterh peterh 1:51 pm 21 Oct 08

complete with pool and playing fields….

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 1:57 pm 21 Oct 08

A stolen case of VB says he gets off…

peterh peterh 2:09 pm 21 Oct 08

just wait until you see which magistrate he gets. judiciary lotto.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 2:29 pm 21 Oct 08

complete with pool and playing fields….

…and don’t forget the sweet indoor basketball courts!

A stolen case of VB says he gets off…

Word!

caf caf 3:15 pm 21 Oct 08

OH GNOES! A BASKETBALL COURT!

Being locked up is the punishment. Or do you all value your freedom so little that you would give it away for a swimming pool and a basketball court?

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 3:36 pm 21 Oct 08

Being locked up is the punishment. Or do you all value your freedom so little that you would give it away for a swimming pool and a basketball court?

…and a indoor heated swimming pool, tv lounge, and 3 (probably much better than usual) meals a day.

These little turds are being put in a facility that provide way more “fun” and top quality services than they would get at home. Not really a deterrent IMHO.

peterh peterh 3:42 pm 21 Oct 08

tylersmayhem said :

Being locked up is the punishment. Or do you all value your freedom so little that you would give it away for a swimming pool and a basketball court?

…and a indoor heated swimming pool, tv lounge, and 3 (probably much better than usual) meals a day.

These little turds are being put in a facility that provide way more “fun” and top quality services than they would get at home. Not really a deterrent IMHO.

maybe they should chuck all the homeless people who have to live in cardboard boxes in civic into there at the same time…

you would be wanting to get out then.

caf caf 3:47 pm 21 Oct 08

You didn’t answer the question.

Anyway, do you really suggest that we should be evaluating each convict’s home life and then adjusting their prison conditions to make sure they’re worse? Many of these kids probably get beaten at home – should we ensure that they get worse beatings in detention? If 3 meals a day is too many, how many is appropriate, in your opinion?

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 3:59 pm 21 Oct 08

Anyway, do you really suggest that we should be evaluating each convict’s home life and then adjusting their prison conditions to make sure they’re worse? Many of these kids probably get beaten at home – should we ensure that they get worse beatings in detention? If 3 meals a day is too many, how many is appropriate, in your opinion?

Yes Caf, that’s exactly what I was suggesting. Great idea, have them all beaten while in there to make it worse than their home life. Good grief, where did you pull that distorted view from!?

I am SIMPLY saying that these little pricks are getting put into a pretty sweet environment. Where is the carrot to stay away?! Not exactly a very dounting or unappealing punishment – again, IMO.

What I would suggest is punishment = an unpleasant experience, not fun “holiday camp” facilities.

If you honestly think I was suggesting to conduct detention by way of beatings etc, then you really do need your head read. Wake up to yourself!

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 4:00 pm 21 Oct 08

Not exactly a very dounting

I meant “Not exactly a very daunting”…

caf caf 4:37 pm 21 Oct 08

And I’m saying that just because they’re treated badly at home is not a compelling reason to treat them worse in detention.

The imperative to keep out of detention is that you lose all your personal freedom. I, for one, value my personal freedom far above any number of swimming pools, heated or otherwise, and I would be extraordinarily surprised and disappointed if any other readers did not.

pug206gti pug206gti 8:51 pm 21 Oct 08

16 year old charged with ram raiding!

Wow! Totally worthy of an exclamation!!!!one!!!111!

I’m just disappointed the AFP release didn’t have it.

bigfeet bigfeet 9:51 pm 21 Oct 08

caf said :

Being locked up is the punishment.

Some punishment. Being sent to a place with better facilities than where you live so you can hang out with all your mates.

And what’s the worst that can happen if you stuff around, disobey all the rules while you are there and treat all the staff like shit?

You get sent to bed early.

We have been through this before on this forum. Quamby was seen a bit of a holiday by most of these kids, some would actively seek to go there.

This place is not seen a “bit” of holiday, it is seen a great holiday camp, and there is NO insentive to not commit crimes. After all, you only get caught for one out of every twenty or so you do. And when you do get caught, well, you just get to go and hang out with your mates for a couple of months.

nyssa76 nyssa76 10:01 pm 21 Oct 08

And I’m saying that just because they’re treated badly at home is not a compelling reason to treat them worse in detention.

It worked wonders for the convicts sent here….and there were child convicts younger than that little turd.

And just because they “might” be beaten at home doesn’t excuse their behaviour. Many child abuse victims are valuable members of society. The difference is they CHOOSE to do “the right thing”, not carry on like a moron.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 12:23 am 22 Oct 08

nyssa76 said :

And I’m saying that just because they’re treated badly at home is not a compelling reason to treat them worse in detention.

It worked wonders for the convicts sent here….and there were child convicts younger than that little turd.

And just because they “might” be beaten at home doesn’t excuse their behaviour. Many child abuse victims are valuable members of society. The difference is they CHOOSE to do “the right thing”, not carry on like a moron.

You obviously don’t teach history.

nyssa76 nyssa76 7:29 am 22 Oct 08

Oh and why is that DMD?

Care to elaborate?

You obviously don’t deal in reality.

nyssa76 nyssa76 7:37 am 22 Oct 08

DMD, once again your ignorance is astounding, better stick to a Ba Arts degree.

FYI..

Margaret Dawson – First Fleeter, “founding mother”.
Francis Greenway – famous Australian architect.
Daniel Herbert – Built the Ross bridge and was a skilled stone mason
Mark Jeffrey – wrote famous autobiography
Simeon Lord was a pioneer merchant and a magistrate in Australia
John Mortlock – former marine
Isaac Nichols – entrepreneur, first Postmaster
William Redfern – one of the few surgeon convicts.
Mary Reibey – operated a fleet of ships.
James Ruse – successful farmer
Henry Savery – Australia’s first novelist, author of Quintus Servinton
James Squire – An old hand of the First Fleet and Australia’s first brewer and cultivator of hops.
Mary Wade – Youngest female convict transported to Australia (11 years of age) who had 21 children and at the time of her death had over 300 living descendants.
Joseph Wild – explorer

peterh peterh 8:31 am 22 Oct 08

nyssa76 said :

And I’m saying that just because they’re treated badly at home is not a compelling reason to treat them worse in detention.

It worked wonders for the convicts sent here….and there were child convicts younger than that little turd.

And just because they “might” be beaten at home doesn’t excuse their behaviour. Many child abuse victims are valuable members of society. The difference is they CHOOSE to do “the right thing”, not carry on like a moron.

it is all down to your own moral compass. If you feel that society owes you and want to get a bit of payback, from society, then you won’t be bothered when you commit crimes. The fact that this 16yo surrendered himself to police means that his moral compass isn’t leaning that way – he has felt guilt for his actions and has come clean. Perhaps it is a case of a cry for help – he may be in a great family circumstance, but, due to both parents working, is trying to get their attention. He may be from a single parent family, he may be from a broken home. We don’t know.

I can categorically state that at no time have I felt a desire to commit any crimes, even though i was hazed really badly when an apprentice, culminating in my abandoning my dream occupation when i finally broke down with broken arms, and a week long stay in hospital.

The masters were brutal. I have many scars, mental and physical. I have come from a “broken home” by divorce. I was abused as a child. These things don’t define me. What I do, say or believe defines me.

If this kid comes out from the centre the same as he went in, then the centre needs scrutiny – the approach isn’t working. It will be a case of wait and see.

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 9:54 am 22 Oct 08

caf said :

Many of these kids probably get beaten at home quote]

Actually, I think it *far* more likely that they got *no* discipline of any sort, with no limits taught, no behaviour expectations set and certainly no ‘proper’/reasonable behaviour modelled…

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